Could the "possessed" Hulk from Age of Ultron defeat Thanos at the beginning of Infinity War?
Watched the Hulkbuster vs Hulk scene so many times now. Including the short lived fight between Thanos and Hulk at the start of IW.
I have to wonder.. Hulk put on a serious fight against Hulkbuster Iron Man, and yes I realize that Hulkbuster doesn't compare to Thanos with a couple of stones. But the rage he had was next level and I feel like had we seen that version of Hulk, maybe that fight could have gone a bit differently.
Obviously I get the writers would never have allowed Hulk to win because then the movie would have ended after 5 min. But hypothetically speaking, who would have won that fight?
I have to wonder.. Hulk put on a serious fight against Hulkbuster Iron Man, and yes I realize that Hulkbuster doesn't compare to Thanos with a couple of stones. But the rage he had was next level and I feel like had we seen that version of Hulk, maybe that fight could have gone a bit differently.
Obviously I get the writers would never have allowed Hulk to win because then the movie would have ended after 5 min. But hypothetically speaking, who would have won that fight?
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but as a _fictional_ medium, the author can write whatever they want to create a compelling story
Simply saying “this is a fictional universe, there’s no point in having this discussion” just seems to be insulting towards the people who are enjoying the discussion. For me, this comment is almost like the saying “if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.” Rather than commenting “what would happen is whatever the writers want to happen,” (which we all clearly know to be true), you could just not comment. That comment kinda always comes across as self serving and aloof to me tbh.
And btw, I’m not directing this at you, since you seem to understand that the point of this whole thread is for people who have a take to speculate and to have fun doing so.
The whole point of the superhero genre is to have fun. Just saying “whoever the writer wants to win the fight would win the fight” is a completely useless comment, not because it’s factually *wrong*, but because it misses the entire point of this type of discussion.
In general, any analysis of media that is shortcut by answering a question with “because that is how the story was written” misses the point. Generally, when you are analysing a story, you should suspend disbelief and work within the world. I would say the acceptable exceptions to that are if you want to claim that the writing is bad because it’s inconsistent, or if you’re discussing how the authors life experience in the real world is informing / influencing the story.
Hulk wouldn’t beat Thanos, but he’d def last longer than what we saw.
Also, in Endgame, Thanos 3v1 Cap, Ironman and Thor, Hulk do that too? I don't think he can.
At certain points in the comic story, Hulk could do that (might even have done it with some more added in).
-Hulk
He is supposed to be immortal/never lose a fight, even if you are physically stronger than him he is supposed to keep ragging up until h's stronger than you.
But even in the comics he gets disrespected by turning back into Banner for no reason or Banner getting killed by a "surprise" shot.
Thanos in the comics tries to avoid fighting him and it's never as easy as it was in the movie. Even Tony knocking out the closes we ever see to a mindless Hulk doesn't make sense.
overpowered characters are a trope, a difficult one to pull off correctly but you should expect marvel of all franchises has the talent to be able to pull it off.
I don’t think he is a good standard if you want to talk about character that never lose or immortal.
But if we look at the main body of work we can agree that generally he is never under any real danger, right?
The stories told in superman are thus dealing with other kinds of conflict. He has other people he wants to protect, or there is a moral dilemma or other problems for him to solve that don't involve just punching things hard enough.
Those are harder stories to write and it's what you face with an op MC. Because that's what superman essentially is. An OP MC who needs different storytelling.
Thanos is similar; it depends on the situation and character development.
See also:
Mob Psycho 100.
Alucard.
Doctor Manhattan.
Silver Surfer.
Corwin of Amber.
Paul Atreides.
After crashing through the building, hulk is starting to snap out of it and realizes all the destruction he's caused and people he's hurt; his guard is down completely when Tony knocks him out
meaning, if it were just a normally enraged hulk, he would have (or should have) come out of that rubble even angrier and kept going.
the biggest clue to this is that it's not even a particularly hard punch; certainly not more damaging than falling through a few dozen storeys of a building. so the only reason it knocked him out was because of his moment of vulnerability.
*Comic Thanos who Comic Hulk jobs to all the time.*
Only for 2 projects.
I know that's been his current state for a long time IRL, but in terms of MCU appearances he was angry hulk in his own movie, thor ragnarok and 3 avengers films, and smart hulk in 1 avenger film and she-hulk.
His ratio of of being angry to smart is 5 - 2
The MCU Hulkbuster is done well. Hulk is not.
He might have a chance.
Also, my headcanon at least, there was the arc where Banner was becoming more like Hulk, and Hulk more like banner (Thor Ragnarok) , so Hulks rage wasn’t there to up his power level.
As long as Thanos can get his hits in, Hulk is toast, but perhaps possessed Hulk is too erratic for Thanos to handle quickly and efficiently when possessed.
I like to imagine that Hulk fairly quickly overwhelms Thanos if Hulk starts off that disturbed and rage induced.
If this was the comics and not the MCU, I would feel even more strongly.
If Thanos uses the power stone, then Hulk can go back to sleep.
2. Possibly. Hulk gets stronger the more angry he gets. The best way to defeat the hulk is to defeat him quickly and in totality, which is exactly what Thanos did. In a possessed state like in AoU, he was already super pissed off. That could have given him enough of an edge to prolong the fight with Thanos, allowing him to grow in strength and possibly overcome him.
Hulk just spent years thinking he was the best fighter out there. The champion of Sakaar. Literally beat the crap out of a giant wolf and was about to fight Surtur. He felt unstoppable. When he caught Thanos, he thought he had it. Until Thanos started fighting back. Hulk never got the chance to get angrier, because he was just so shocked about what was happening. Fear almost…
That being said, possessed Hulk would have probably had a better bout with Thanos. As possessed Hulk was already angry and his anger would have compounded more. Thanos would have still won but damn to have watched that fight.
Maybe hulk wasn’t actually straight up beating every opponent, and that added to the inflated confidence when going after Thanos.
The MCU Hulk is an absolut wimp who has just about nothing to do with his comic book source. At this point, I'm pretty sure that they'd rather make Hawkeye win against the Hulk in a serious fight than giving Hulk anything even just remotely cool.
I kind of think he might have some chance
The reason Thanos beat Hulk was because Hulk just throws haymakers, he’s got no technique. Whereas Thanos has hundreds/thousands of years of fighting experience, dude was hitting combos like crazy lmao. So imagine possessed Hulk 😅
its SKILL/technique that was issue
a crazy hulk makes it worse if anything
Mind controlled Hulk would do even worse because he was even more reckless while hexed and the whole point of the scene was that Hulk is very much fucked against someone that is both physically stronger AND smarter than him.
Furthermore mind controlled Hulk was beaten by Tony in a suit that Bruce barely won against Cull Obsidian with. Cull Obsidian, needless to say, beneath Thanos.
I'm guessing they swerved that, because they didn't want any accusations of "fridging"
So you just put an even worse version of Hulk against Thanos. So no. He doesn't win.
Iron man put hulk down several times in the hulk buster fight. Hulk was drilled in the head, sucker punched he had to spit out a tooth, and of course dropped through a building.
Meanwhile Thanos fights Hulk and the fight last 15 seconds. And Thanos’s punches just make hulk stagger a few inches away.
Hulk has taken way more abuse and still gotten up. In many previous fights this dude is launched through buildings like his fight with abomination. Abomination who like Thanos. Is on par with the hulk (sometimes greater in comics) and had the mind of an experienced military soldier.
This all doesn’t even matter when current canon in the official MCU timeline book approved by Kevin feige, stated that Thanos used the infinity stone against Hulk in infinity war. Also not to mention. The Russo brothers have stated they essentially wrote hulk out of the film since they didn’t know what to do with such a powerful character.
This fuck up is so apparent. When in Thor Ragranok, Hulk jumps at surtur no hesitation. While after fighting Thanos, he suddenly is tired of fighting? While the original intention was that thanos didn’t use the stone. When looking at all of Hulks feat’s it makes no sense how he lost so easily to Thanos and it’s easy to see why after fan outcry that they retconned this.
Thanos in the comics always usually fights the hulk with some type of advantage, backup, or leaves him distracted and never gets in a direct fist fight with him. The one time Hulk and Thanos really duked it out in the comics. Hulk broke Thanos’s back like Bane did to Batman.
to swap places and identities and get away eith the Asgardian refugees to Earth. He still is there. Also Hulks involvement in Ragnarock suggests Loki is using Hulk to divert Ragnarock. Loki planned everything utilizing the continous knowledge he gained tineslipping to create the Endgame timeline and phase shift. All prior to destroying the Loom. This is the secret Marvel doesn't want anyone to know.
Even the devils anus on Sakaar was created from the fight between Thor and Loki in the first Thor movie. It all connects and loops. The Infinity Saga are two mirrored timelines. One deterministic. The other multiversal with timetravel continously making branches as Loki utilized the butterfly effect to make changes in numerical and sequential order. Crafting the endgame.
So no I dont think Hulk could've beat Thanos. Even after the phase shift. Unless Loki changes his past and therefore the outcome. Ehich would make him a variant of the one shown.