I hope marvel continues the Kang storyline after doomsday and secret wars
I know Ant Man QM didn’t do very well and there is all of the controversy with Jonathan Majors but I still feel that there is a story left to tell regarding Kang.
At the end of Loki S1 Kang explains that in the begging he and his variants were allies. Until eventually they started fighting amongst themselves and breaking out into a multiversal war.
Now at the end of QM you can see them all start to become allies. And we know that eventually that is not going to go well.
So I Guess my question or theory is do you guys think that after secret wars, it will be the beginning of the end for the Kang dynasty and the start of the multiversal war we have been warned about numerous times.
At the end of Loki S1 Kang explains that in the begging he and his variants were allies. Until eventually they started fighting amongst themselves and breaking out into a multiversal war.
Now at the end of QM you can see them all start to become allies. And we know that eventually that is not going to go well.
So I Guess my question or theory is do you guys think that after secret wars, it will be the beginning of the end for the Kang dynasty and the start of the multiversal war we have been warned about numerous times.
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I think the best we'll get is some hand-waving of why that apparent multiversal threat is no longer a factor.
Loki: yeh don't worry about it, he's taken care of
Even Mobius has a line where he says something like "There was variant in the 616-adjacent realm but looks like they took care of it themselves".
So they basically established that the TVA is now an anti-Kang organisation and we don't have to worry about him going forward in the franchise.
I feel like a more narratively satisfying way to write them out of the story would be to have the TVA show up to prune them at the start of Doomsday, only to find out that they've already been killed by Doctor Doom.
Having the ultimate threat just appear and surprise everyone, especially if they're busy preparing for something completely different, would hit hard.
They could have done it without Jonathan Majors even being in it as well.
Just have Iron Lad and an older Kang that isn’t Majors. For a while when they doing Kang Dynasty I thought they were going to bring Iron Lad in and start Heinberg’s Young Avengers since the team was appearing in projects at the time.
In late 2024 it leaked that they were planning a Champions show, and there was some pre-production worked that leaked. But since then there's been nothing.
After the leak, when Andor season 2 launched, reports came out indicating that Disney put a hard cap on show budgets. Agatha's 40 million is the rule, and shows like Andor with budgets in the hundreds of millions are off the table.
Then, on top of all of that, Ironheart bombed really badly. With only 3.99 million viewers at most based on the Neilson numbers.
So Champions is almost certainly dead. The show can't be done at 40 million and half the characters had really poor viewership already.
Then on top of all of that, Hailee is pregnant and likely won't be doing anything for a year or two.
So at this stage, Young Avengers is dead. Ms. Marvel will likely be folded into X-men and the rest will go to join Eternals.
1. Doom eliminates the entire council off-screen (terrible idea)
2. Marvel will use them later in a different Saga (either with a different actor, or hopefully the controversy around Majors will ease in a few years)
He’s literally an abuser, I’m not sure why you’d champion for an abuser to be given money and power again when there are countless talented actors who don’t beat up women behind closed doors, and can do the job just as well as he can.
Anyway, 2x Oscar winning actor Kevin Spacey has not appeared in shit for a decade since being cancelled. If that’s anything to go by, Majors will stay broke and irrelevant where he belongs.
Also: Josh Brolin was literally Thanos, since "abusers" shouldn't be championed.
That’s it. You’re on a witch hunt because you’re mad about Marvel ditching Jonathan Majors, who has actual criminal convictions against him.
I haven’t read the comics so I don’t know if they can pull it off without the multiverse if Marvel decides to end multiverse after secret wars. They could just retrofit that the council was killed by the main Kang and he is the lone threat now (similar to Thanos)
Good example, the X-Men story “Days of Future Past.” Originally, that post-apocalyptic dystopia just straightup is the future of Earth-616 (the main comic universe). But when Kitty goes back and time, and averts that future, it creates a new timeline… but not a new universe. Instead, that new timeline is now the *NEW* future of Earth-616.
But the originally future isn’t entirely gone, it’s just somewhere else now. Like a branching parallel universe, the original future still exists, but now it’s been moved to a *NEW* universe of its own, Earth-811 (which branches off from Earth-616). Basically if history gets changed, the original timeline detaches itself and becomes its own offshoot universe, where the old universe gets its version of history rewritten.
In fact (if I understand it correctly) >!this is literally what happened at the end of “Secret Wars,” when the Ultimate Universe merged with Earth-616/history is changed so that Ultimate Universe characters were always part of it, and the new combined universe is still “Earth-616”!<
However, I believe the biggest issue is the whiplash Marvel gave us in terms of Kang, in Loki he is built up to be this formidable threat and they developed him further in more projects (just like how Thanos started), but this is where they shot themselves in the foot.
They put Kang in QM, a movie that is not great even by Marvel standards and had the supposed big bad defeated by ants. Imagine if im GoTG, Thanos is beaten by Ronan (the closest example to QM that I can think of), that would undermine Thanos' credibility as a threat.
No matter who they then put into the role as Kang, it wouldn't work because this dude lost to the power of love and ants. Even if a new Kang is described as more powerful, people will still associate him with a vulnerability to ants of all things. Why would he be a threat people want to see in cinemas?
Side note: I am not mentioning the What If show alluding to the guardians of the multiverse laying waste to the Kangs because I would imagine if they continued to pursue the Kang storyline, this wouldn't have happened.
Next we see from their perspective is Hank/Cassie manage to rescue them but when they return to Earth it's an "Age of Apocalypse" type state from where Kang has had time to take over.
I mean, Kang is (comic book-wise) ***THE*** ultimate time character so they could lean into that instead.
You only need to show how he did it (tech? Magic?) and the discarded kang armor
Easy solution
Only one Kang survives and he's played by Michael B. Jordan
But still, it can go a long way to showing dooms power. Like I’m just being random examples, but having doom order galactus, a celestial, infinity ultron, etc shows he could be extremely hard for normies to beat
Tech too, like multiversal portals to marvel zombies, neutron bombs, dumping a volcano on them, etc
I dunno, but beating them all at once would be alpha dominant
They won’t bring back majors and post secret wars is gonna be a reboot of sorts anyway. They can always just cast a new kang with a new story, or even just hand wave ravonna as being the new kang
A bit like no mention of Tiamut or The Eternal in CA:BNW (even though somehow the rocky head is called Celestial Island…)
The Multiverse Saga was a means of bringing the character that Fox made films about into the MCU’s Earth-616.
The next saga will likely be a Mutant Saga (born Mutants as well as acquired Mutants)
Some toes have been stepped on.
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Imagine Michael B. Jordan playing Kang!
I think Loki s2 did a better send off for his character but quantumania put the nail in the coffin with the general audience
Sidelining or getting rid of kang kills my desire to ever watch Loki again though.
Worst case scenario: they kill off all the Kangs and he’s never spoken of again.
Will the film ultimately just ignore the Ant-Man 3 post credit scene or hand wave it in a small comment or something silly like Doom killing them all offscreen or something.
If they do just ignore it, then that means there is a chance it will be explored in the future. They did answer The Incredible Hulk stuff over a decade later for example.
I think the most likely way they bring back Kang is in Young Avengers/Champions. A Kang variant in the comic is the one to end up forming the team.
What I do see happening is that Doom smokes most of the Kang variants then 10 years later after an Xmen v Avengers film, it turns out that one variant survived with a new actor and they do the multiverse saga again.