The new X-men universe has to be set in the past (50,60s etc...)

So in secret wars, we will have the 3 main universes merging (the fantastic four universe,the main MCU universe and the new X men universe).

Obviously a massive chunk of Magnetos core as an person and who he is was experiencing the horrors of the holocaust, it's essential to him as an charcter.

But if the new X-men universe is set in the present day, even if he was 10 years old in 1945 (end of world war 2), he would still be at least 79 years old, we should have an younger magneto and Charles for the long term MCU.

So setting the X men universe in the 50's or 60's would solve that.

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Drelas_Hawke2026-01-28 14:36

Given the teaser, Magneto being more than 79 years old seems to be the way they're going.

KostisPat2572026-01-28 14:38

That's the old X-Men. The new X-Men movie will feature new actors and will most likely be set in present day

Drelas_Hawke2026-01-28 14:43

We have no idea if the characters of Professor X and Magneto will be in that one though. We don't know anything about the X-men in the MCU, other than those that are confirmed for Doomsday seem to be aged versions of the Fox characters (except Gambit).

KostisPat2572026-01-28 14:44

Do you really think Professor X won't be in the MCU X-Men movie?

Drelas_Hawke2026-01-28 14:53

Could be. If they're leaning into the whole "the original actors are impossible to replace" thing and give both characters flamboyant deaths in the Avengers movies, I don't think it's such a far-fetched idea. We could have a school ran by Cyclops as it's been in the comics before, or even Wolverine from D&W for a redemption arc.

Guidenmofer2026-01-28 15:41

Fuck no, get any decent young actor for Cyclops that looks the part and give him a good script and most people will forget James Marsden ever played Cyclops.

Cyclops is not even 30 in the comics right now, Marsden I almost twice his age lmao, it simply doesn’t work.

The same applies to all the other characters, only ones who was popular enough to justify not recasting him was Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, and he’s always been way older than all the other X-Men so him being significantly older than the new actors makes sense.

Drelas_Hawke2026-01-28 16:20

I actually agree with you, but it seems like they're going full 2000s movies nostalgia with this one.

TRUE_BELEIVER_842026-01-28 14:37

Been there, done that.

mega5122026-01-28 14:37

It doesn't. They can modernize it if need be.

ContentAssumption2042026-01-29 05:22

They didn’t bother with the FF and this sub cheered for decision.

qcthunder2026-01-28 14:39

X-Men: First Class already did that. And the 10-year time jumps for every sequel strained reality in the same way Tatooine aged Obi-Wan.

whitepangolin2026-01-28 17:05

Fans have all the creativity of a five year old.

BZenMojo2026-01-28 18:28

Omnibus-reading ahhh folks out here playing with us like we're all desperate for Brad Pitt to return as the Vanishing Man with the Carnival of Crime or something.

Abides19482026-01-28 14:39

They could take this boring option, yes. I trust that they'll do something more interesting. Whilst the Holocaust was uniquely horrifying, there have been other genocides that could be the background to a Magneto.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:24

No, absolutely not. What makes the Holocaust such a unique historical event isn't that it was just a genocide but the world's first industrialized genocide. Labor camps, ghettos, railways.. the entire thing was a systemic approach to ethnic cleansing the likes of the world at never been seen before. Entire positions were created within the Nazi party specifically to oversee the entire operation. Magneto has a character is representative of the notion that his people weren't just targeted by some angry mob but by their own countrymen. By the very leaders who didn't seize power through traditional means but by being elected on the very platform that Magneto's people were less than human. That they were to blame for all the problems not only in their home country but in the entire world. This is what really needs to come across in his story. That he sees all the seemingly benign and mundane (for lack of better words) bigotry and where it leads if allowed to go unchecked. That "legislation" can be and indeed has been utilized to commit one of history's greatest atrocities.

If you change it it's an insult to the Jewish creator's, the Jewish fans and an insult to survivors of whatever genocide it's changed to.

It's lazy and turns genocide into a prop for the character. Instead of having a meaningful reason.What makes the Holocaust such a unique historical event isn't that it was just a genocide but the world's first industrialized genocide. Labor camps, ghettos, railways.. the entire thing was a systemic approach to ethnic cleansing the likes of the world at never been seen before. Entire positions were created within the Nazi party specifically to oversee the entire operation. Magneto has a character is representative of the notion that his people weren't just targeted by some angry mob but by their own countrymen. By the very leaders who didn't seize power through traditional means but by being elected on the very platform that Magneto's people were less than human. They were to blame for all the problems not only in their home country but in the entire world. This is what really needs to come across in his story. That he sees all the seemingly benign and mundane (for lack of better words) bigotry and where it leads if allowed to go unchecked. That "legislation" can be and indeed has been utilized to commit one of history's greatest atrocities.

BZenMojo2026-01-28 20:06

I agree that Magneto's Judaism is important and changing it would be problematic. But the Armenian Holocaust (as it was called until the 1930's since "genocide" wasn't a word yet), was Turkey murdering its own citizens of Armenian descent and forming political positions to oversee this genocide. The industrialization of Germany's atrocities was novel, but not the political structure or justification.

Smaragd442026-01-28 14:41

Nope

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:36

They are adapting Secret Wars into the MCU SO just have the Xmen and their Earth be one having an incursion with MCU Earth. On the Xmen Earth the holocaust only happened 20 years ago. Problem solved. Also creates a way to do Avengers vs Xmen and gives a reason for people to fear mutants because they are from an alternate Earth.

BZenMojo2026-01-28 19:59

Or we just do what Marvel always does and make the characters whatever age fits. Magneto is a really old guy, Charles Xavier is a really old guy, Cyclops and Storm are in their forties and fifties, and we add the other 100+ X-Men that have been on the team since the 60's in various combinations. People get to see the big characters do big things and they get to see some new characters and new stories.

rubyschnees2026-01-28 14:43

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TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:13

So how are you suddenly gonna explain thousands of mutants appearing ? And then your gonna need an almost 80 year old Charles and eric +They are adapting Secret Wars into the MCU SO just have the Xmen and their Earth be one having an incursion with MCU Earth. On the Xmen Earth the holocaust only happened 20 years ago. Problem solved. Also creates a way to do Avengers vs Xmen and gives a reason for people to fear mutants because they are from an alternate Earth, and different, universes merging was the whole point of secret wars was universes merging

CanaDoug4202026-01-28 14:44

Magneto has been de aged a few times over the years. He could show up Fastbenders age in the new movies and be fine

ntb8992026-01-28 14:46

the original xmen 1 is set prior to sep 11th 2001 because the world trade centers are still standing in the background of a few shots, thats all i can say 100%, unless the terror attacks in that universe didn't happen, but honestly I feel like thats not the case

agreed2disagreee2026-01-28 14:48

That’s an interesting point. I wonder if they would consider using more recent tragedies to create a new magneto.

1968 - the Mai Lai Massacre

1975-1979 - the Cambodian Genocide

2003-2004 - Abu Ghraib

2003-2008 - the Darfur Genocide

Just about anything other than the holocaust is going to be less known, but these would make a younger magneto without tampering with time.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:10

No. Magnetos' whole identity is formed by the holocaust. A unique but tragic event in humanities history, changing that would just be spitting on his charcters face.

Petrichor022026-01-28 16:24

When Magneto was first introduced in the comics, we weren't told which genocide shaped him and his philosophies. For decades we got nothing more specific than that it was a genocide that happened in his home country. At one point the Holocaust was named, and then it was retconned away. It didn't become hard canon that hasn't changed since then until around the time of the X-Men movies in the late '90s/early 2000s, almost 40 years after his debut.

Spensir_McLife2026-01-28 21:33

No it was firm he was a Jewish Holocaust survivor by 1981 in X-Men 150. Before that genocide actually wasn't really a part of his history. The only reason we knew he hated humanity was because humans killed his wife Magda. When Claremont got to writing to him he decided that he was a holocaust and was treated as such throughout the iconic Claremont era which informs all other eras.

matty_nice2026-01-28 18:07

How was the Holocaust unique?

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 19:43

What makes the Holocaust such a unique historical event isn't that it was just a genocide but the world's first industrialized genocide. Labor camps, ghettos, railways.. the entire thing was a systemic approach to ethnic cleansing the likes of the world at never been seen before. Entire positions were created within the Nazi party specifically to oversee the entire operation. Magneto has a character is representative of the notion that his people weren't just targeted by some angry mob but by their own countrymen. By the very leaders who didn't seize power through traditional means but by being elected on the very platform that Magneto's people were less than human. That they were to blame for all the problems not only in their home country but in the entire world. This is what really needs to come across in his story. That he sees all the seemingly benign and mundane (for lack of better words) bigotry and where it leads if allowed to go unchecked. That "legislation" can be and indeed has been utilized to commit one of history's greatest atrocities.

If you change it it's an insult to the Jewish creator's, the Jewish fans and an insult to survivors of whatever genocide it's changed to. It's lazy and turns genocide into a prop for the character. Instead of having a meaningful reason.

matty_nice2026-01-28 19:49

> What makes the Holocaust such a unique historical event isn't that it was just a genocide but the world's first industrialized genocide.

Not the Herero and Nama genocide that took place a few decades earlier?

And that's kind of the main point here, unfortunately genocides aren't unique. And we should stop acting like it was. Nazis arent the only evil, it wasn't a unique time, it unfortunately is common in the world.

BZenMojo2026-01-28 20:08

It's not even the first genocide called "The Holocaust." But the scale of industrialization and numbers of lives is unique. 11 million Ukrainian and Russian Slavs (later categorized into a separate genocide called Generalplan Ost to facilitate Cold War alliances with Germany against Soviets), 6 million Jewish people (most of whom died in what was later called Generalplan Ost), 1 million Romani, hundreds of thousands of schizophrenics, millions of Communists and gays and trans people and homeless people and other non-whites, and an entire economy of displacement, slavery, and extermination running a singular war machine designed to seize more land and murder more people.

fisheggsoup2026-01-28 22:32

Hate to break it to you, but the Holocaust wasn't all that unique. It was larger-scaled than others and the stories have been maintained to a peoples who care about them, but these sanctioned genocides and exterminations were a staple in history.

matty_nice2026-01-28 18:19

I also dont think it has to be a specific genocide that he's linked to. What if his family dies in a war? That shouldn't really impact his motivations. His family just needs to die due to bigotry.

BZenMojo2026-01-28 20:16

It has to be the kind of bigotry where your persecutor won't stop unless forced and then turns around and starts threatening to do it again and then does it again to a bunch of other people. Germany's history of atrocities and ignored genocides (like Namibia) and its modern collaboration on the genocide of the Palestinians while making it illegal to protest genocide and the world's willingness to just let them do it is pretty much the kind of thing that makes Magneto want to flip the earth's magnetic poles.

dylanc872026-01-28 15:35

I agree he needs that origin but I disagree with the time period being necessary. You can easily retcon he has the added mutation of slower aging

Guidenmofer2026-01-28 15:37

Or they can just say that Magneto ages slowly for whatever reason, no need to sacrifice all the X-Men for Magneto.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:40

Why would that mean you have to sacrifice the rest of the X men ?

Almost all of the big and iconic X men were introduced in the 60's and 70's

Guidenmofer2026-01-28 15:44

Spider-Man was also introduced in the 60s but Tom Holland’s Spider-Man’s movies are not set in the 60s, they need to be young in the present, most Marvel characters were introduced in the 60s that doesn’t mean anything.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:49

Did you even read my post ?

It does in Magnetos' case because the holocaust shaped his whole identity itself. If he introduced now and lived through the Holocaust as an boy he's charcter would be 80+ years old

Guidenmofer2026-01-28 15:52

And did you read mine? you can just say that he ages slowly due to his mutation or whatever, in the comics he's been deaged many times, no need to sacrifice all the other X-Men and make them old as fuck/set the movies in the past just because of Magneto, the X-Men need to be in their 20s at most and the movies set in the present.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 15:56

But Charles and Magneto are both supposed to be around the same age. So what now, they both just happen to have a mutatin that ages them slowly ?

How convenient for them. That just sounds like lazy, unrealistic writing, a cop-out.

Guidenmofer2026-01-28 16:05

No, they are not around the same age, and sorry but the X-Men movies being set in the past just because of Magneto is dumb, most X-Men are under 30 in the current comics set in the present, it's lame to have them be from the 60s because you don't want Magneto to age slowly for some reason.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 16:21

But their not gonna adopt the current comics, their stories that they are gonna adopt will be the big significant X men stories, and so they will mostly used the most iconic characters (cyclops, jeane grey etc...)

Guidenmofer2026-01-28 16:23

Yeah, Cyclops and Jean Grey are both under 30 in the current comics, they are the same age as Spider-Man.

BZenMojo2026-01-28 19:54

Responding to both folks...

1. Age of Ultron was written in 2013 was adapted to a movie in 2015, while Civil War, which was written in 2006, was adapted in 2016. Marvel Studios doesn't care when the comic was written.

2. Cyclops WAS the same age as Peter Parker, but Parker was de-aged by One More Day. If that applied to the rest of Marvel, the entire continuity would collapse on itself like a black hole.

Enter: the Pryde/Power Rules.

The "Pryde Rule," explained by former X-editor Tom Breevort, maintains a steady rate of aging for X-characters based on Kitty Pryde -- about 1 year for every 3-4 years of real time. Kitty in 1980 was 13, she was 18 in 2000, so that's roughly 5 years in 20 years. 1:4 ratio. She'd be \~26 now.

The "Power Rule" applies to the superhero family Power Pack. Their ages are stated in 1984 and (other than a brief failed attempt at a retcon that was pushed into an alternate universe) they've been consistent. Julie Power was 10 in 1984 and 17 in 2007. That's a ratio of 1:3.28. She's later said by editors to be 19 in Avengers Academy in 2012, which is 1:3.11.

But the Power Rule also applies to Franklin Richards. He was the same age as the youngest Power when he joined the team. 5 years in 18 years is a 1:3.4 ratio.

It is just easier to ignore Peter Parker than it is to pretend the rest of the comics fit his retconned timeline. Nate Summers resurrects in Krakoa as a teenager for a reason. Kitty Pryde was too old to join Generation X for a reason. Franklin Richards was old enough to be a student of Emma Frost for a reason.

The original X-Men are in their mid-to-late 30's. Daredevil is in his 40's. Most of the original Avengers are in their 40's-50's. It's just how it works.

FragrantStation64882026-01-28 19:12

Bruhhhh we have done this, cmonnnnn do you people like seeing the same shit over and over and fucking over

juances192026-01-28 21:58

But if you put the x-men in the past while everyone else is in the present wouldn't it make the whole merging thing kinda miss the point?

I thought we wanted them all to be put on the same universe so that there can be more interactions and crossovers intead of being isolated. But for that work smoothly they should also be set in the same time period.

TipAdditional46252026-01-28 22:22

Their orginal universe should be in the past,.obviously at the end of secret wars the 3 universes should merge together

TheNikoHero2026-01-28 22:36

Give it a few months, and they can have magneto's origin be as a foreigner in USA and held captive by ICE...

rdhight2026-01-29 06:45

I agree his Holocaust origin is necessary, but I suspect it's a problem for the future. I think if we see the old Fox version of a mutant in Doomsday or Secret Wars, we don't see the long-term new version of that same mutant until the first MCU X-Men film (I guess maybe X-23 could be the exception?). So because Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart versions are here, I don't think their true MCU versions will be shown even in Secret Wars. It will be another team that figures that out a few years down the line, when it's time to cast MCU X-Men Movie No. 1, whatever that is.