Sounds good, also sounds like Marvel doing something different which I very much welcome but they've been punished for that in the past so I'm curious to see how it does.
I stopped watching Marvel shows by default after giving up on Secret ~~Wars~~ Invasion a couple of episodes in but I'm going to give this one a shot
PhotoBonjour_bombs192026-01-28 09:28
Didn’t know secret wars was reworked to a tv show. How was it
Tall_Twist86012026-01-28 09:35
I think they mean Secret Invasion.
PhotoBonjour_bombs192026-01-28 09:36
No they ment secret black oops 2
Tall_Twist86012026-01-28 09:37
Lol.
OffMyChestATM2026-01-28 09:35
Not good, unfortunately
MagicBez2026-01-28 10:21
I got the VHS tapes of it from my Uncle who works at Nintendo but he made me promise not to tell people about it
(Thank you for pointing that error out - have corrected my post)
PhotoBonjour_bombs192026-01-28 10:25
Did Mario appear? You can say your secrets here with me
MagicBez2026-01-28 10:47
Look, I promised I wouldn't tell anyone but since it's just you and me I'll let you know one thing.
The key to understanding Secret Wars is to know that it's actually an acronym for the plot: Spiderman Eats Cap, Regrets Everything. Twist: Wakandan Astrophysicists Reveal Superman
PhotoBonjour_bombs192026-01-28 10:52
Wow! Words! Truly a moment. Il tell marvel police about it. Bye bye
HotPotParrot2026-01-28 11:37
I'd watch it
YesImHereAskMeHow2026-01-28 11:17
I always thought this was such a weird response. If you are a fan of this IP, one show out of how many was truly bad and barely 6 full episodes and that’s enough to make you stop watching them all? I don’t get that.
That’s like if you watched every movie up to Thor the dark world and then said “nope they all will suck, I’m out”
With a weird response and I keep seeing people say it. Especially people who claim to be fans of marvel and posting on their subreddit.
MagicBez2026-01-28 11:47
> I always thought this was such a weird response. If you are a fan of this IP, one show out of how many was truly bad and barely 6 full episodes and that’s enough to make you stop watching them all? I don’t get that.
I said I stopped watching them by default. Not that I stopped watching all Marvel content. Before Secret Invasion if Marvel announced a new TV show we were watching it, usually the week of release. After giving up on Secret Invasion, not even deliberately we just kind of lost interest and put something else on somewhere around episode two or three we now don't watch Marvel TV shows by default but generally wait for reviews or word-of-mouth as to whether we bother with them. There had been earlier shows that weren't as enjoyable before that too (Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Echo both felt weaker beforehand) which likely informed the new approach but it's not like a discussed and agreed policy, just now our consumption of Marvel content has shifted over time in response to our enjoyment of it.
I also said in my post that I'll be watching this new show so I'm really not sure how you got the idea that I said that I've "stopped watching them all"
> That’s like if you watched every movie up to Thor the dark world and then said “nope they all will suck, I’m out”
It's more like watching Thor Dark World and a couple.of other less good bits of Marvel content over the course of a year or so and thinking "hmmm, maybe they won't all be as fun and I should be more judicious with my time on these things". I saw every Marvel film in the cinema up to Endgame but after that we were fine waiting for the Disney+ release or watching them on flights etc. we've watched every Marvel movie available now but with less urgency.
> With a weird response and I keep seeing people say it. Especially people who claim to be fans of marvel and posting on their subreddit.
I think it's a weirder response to not adjust your consumption of media based on your enjoyment of it over the course of 18 years. I also disagree with the implication that someone being a bit more judicious only "claims" to be a fan and shouldn't participate in this sub. I consider myself a Simpsons fan but there are stacks of episodes I haven't seen because they've been churning out content for decades. Implying that I shouldn't discuss a franchise unless I've consumed every single piece of media surrounding it feels needlessly reductive, _especially_ when we're discussing an IP based on comic books where it is neither possible nor expected to have read _everything_.
Webborwebbor2026-01-28 12:21
Ya i agree. Idk what’s so weird about stopping watching all the shows lol. I did too. After awhile they just became stale and boring and felt like i was wasting time. Like if things get bad you’re not obligated to stick around lol that’s like having a bad relationship and you keep on coming back but they still keep making the same mistake
syynapt1k2026-01-28 13:18
I wait for the reactions on r/television. There's just been too many flops for me to watch just because it's Marvel.
BarcelonetaE702026-01-28 11:51
Because that is the sheep mentality that is so prevalent in genre/comic book culture. "Fuck it, I am done with Marvel Comics because this one issue of that new limited series about a character I never had an interest in is so bad!" "Fuck it, I am done with the MCU because Thunderbolts was so boring and slow paced!" "Fuck it! I am done with MCU Disney Plus series because She-Hulk was so woke and so anti-male!"
It's just a ridiculous attitude to have and such a clear case of hive-mind behavior. Whatever the consensus seems to be online from a vocal minority is immediately adopted by more and more people, and next thing you know "everyone" hates whatever the internet told them they are supposed to hate.
SapToFiction2026-01-28 17:17
At the end of the day people are free to enjoy or dislike what movie or show they watch.
MalarKey88882026-01-28 15:38
I've burned out on a lot of Marvel, but I am actually enjoying this so far. Ben Kingsley is absolutely wonderful in it. I like the slower pace.
Melcrys292026-01-28 09:22
I had low expectations, but it's a really good show.
_________FU_________2026-01-28 18:22
Same. I like the concept and wasn't expecting it. It's a nice departure from typical MCU concent.
Typical_Step_11392026-01-28 19:19
Same, and that’s coming from someone that’s sick of shows/movies about Hollywood. Trevor and Simon duo entertained me.
FloppyShellTaco2026-01-28 09:28
Just a fantastic piece of television that adds a lot of world building to the MCU. They’ve always struggled with making the world feel real and lived in and this show knocks it out of the park. This is the kind of stuff the shows should be used for.
Pabasa2026-01-28 10:07
She Hulk does a great job of world building.
There's the lives of Asgardians living In LA, there's the former student of Kamar Taj misusing his sling ring. There's a costumer for super heroes (or wannabe superheroes).
jawsthegreat7772026-01-28 11:40
She-Hulk got clowned hard but it was genuinely a good show
academydiablo2026-01-28 11:55
She-Hulk would’ve been better as a binge like how Wonder Man is. I know they weren’t thinking about these things back in 2022, but it’s clear Marvel is not good at doing event episodes, instead their series just seem like a movie chopped up. Wonder Man feels like that at times too, but works better as I’m watching it live right now because idk how a majority of people would come back to this every week vs being able to bam bam bam it all at once. Especially for the 30 minute series they do.
markc2302026-01-28 20:09
Wandavision, I think was perfect with they way they presented it, I mean everyone on that subreddit was theorizing and having all sorts of ideas about what would happen next, and when the next episode aired it was like "can you belive..."
ScuzzBuckster2026-01-28 20:33
That's true, WandaVision set the bar *really* high for the MCU shows.
ChaosCron12026-01-28 21:19
I think Agatha All Along was a good continuation of this structure.
BarcelonetaE702026-01-28 12:03
She-Hulk: Attorney At Law was unfortunately released at the height of the whole "we are sick-and-tired of wokeness, sick and tired of Disney, and sick and tired of the MCU" online wave, and since the show starred a woman, a character that was based on a more famous male character, and a character who also happened to be a feminist-leaning vessel, it truly was the target of very unfair vitriol from, surprise suprise, many fanboys who felt attacked by the series clever, deliciously sharp satire of incel culture.
The irony is that when the John Byrne Sensational She-Hulk book came out in 1989 (the very clear inspiration of She Hulk: AAL) it was a great critical and commercial succes that did all of what the series did: broke the fourth wall regularly, was devilishly funny and meta, and viciously satirized fanboy culture, comic book tropes, and comic book nerds. But back then, we didn't have an echo chamber of terminally online, perpetually triggered fanboys whose continuing regurgitating of "It sucks!" made them think their minority opinions reflected the majority's feelings.
Figgoss2026-01-28 16:07
It was one of the series that was most faithful to the comic.
BarcelonetaE702026-01-28 17:34
Absolutely.
Naive_Nerve53712026-01-28 12:23
The redo of the 70’s The Incredible Hulk intro with Tatiana Maslany instead of Bill Bixby is worth watching the entire show for.
ScuzzBuckster2026-01-28 20:32
Bruv I laughed so hard at that. I loved She-Hulk, perfectly embodied her from the comics. And Tatiana Maslany is a crazy great actress, I hope they dont just drop her.
TotallyNotAMarvelSpy2026-01-29 00:51
She-Hulk was perfect. The problem is they made fun of the incels and that's who's predominantly online all the time so of course they fucking slayed the show.
The marketing could have been better to sell the fact that it was going to be lighthearted and funny, but that's really the only flaw I saw in the rollout for the show.
mrbrownvp2026-01-29 07:22
It would have been the same even if they didnt make fun of them, comic fandom has a big incel problem.
LADYBIRD_HILL2026-01-28 21:01
Ugh I totally forgot about that. It might be time for a she hulk rewatch.
00Laser2026-01-29 00:27
Did it though? I feel like it just got reviewbombed by misogynists and a general lack of interest for She-Hulk created the impression that it was poorly received. Many people who actually watched it like it tho.
gerardatron2026-01-29 02:01
I still wish it gets a second season, lean into the Harvey Birdman of the MCU element of it while continuing the world-building. Lot of untapped potential
FloppyShellTaco2026-01-28 16:53
I love She Hulk. These are the exact kind of shows Marvel should be using TV for, not more movie setup
BZenMojo2026-01-28 20:21
Two Great Lakes Avengers are now canon in the MCU. And they're arguably some of the best things in the MCU so far.
Howzieky2026-01-28 18:11
She hulk has the best world building in the entire MCU and people do not talk about it enough
Level-Quantity-28702026-01-28 18:42
You have a fair point but then again, She Hulk wishes it had the same writing to said world building like Wonder Man
Atom74562026-01-28 10:18
no every show can be its own thing, this is a horrible idea
biZarrmeggeDon2026-01-28 10:58
Ben Kingsley is fucking fantastic in this. I love his overall arc as Trevor Slattery.
ObviousAnswerGuy2026-01-28 11:28
I liked the show, but what about this show adds "a lot of world building' to the MCU? It's just the damage control/prison stuff.
NeptuneCA2026-01-28 13:45
The Doorman Clause is a great example of how superpowers affect the world outside of superheroes.
People’s reactions to Trevor Slattery are a great example of how normal people react to supervillains.
Just those two examples alone make the world fill bigger and more lived in.
Zealousideal-Ad38142026-01-28 09:32
Just watched the first couple episodes DAMN! ITS GOOD! I've really been enjoying it characters all have a lot of depth its a fun take on the hero and a fun piece on Hollywood. I will say this is one of the best Marvel shows they've done.
NC_Goonie2026-01-28 09:49
I haven’t watched it yet (been stuck at the ER since before it dropped, good times), but Marvel shows that don’t lean heavily into superheroics are generally good stuff. Agatha was about witches, and it was one of the best things they’ve done in years.
jbourne562026-01-29 04:40
WTH is the point of Marvel, a superhero brand, not doing things involving superheroes? It makes no sense to me. It would be like a Star Trek show set in modern times about someone writing a science fiction book. Kind of related but not using or referring to any source material
Desperate_Ad_92192026-01-28 10:06
Binged watched it and actually really liked it. The show made me cry at one time I was shocked. It's kinda like Lalaland so a lot of people won't like it.
NervousSubjectsWife2026-01-28 11:59
I’ll never look at a red pair of sunglasses the same 😭
trewiltrewil2026-01-28 13:55
You mean like when they literally go to the same place as that one scene in lalaland.... Clearly they got some inspiration there.
Einchy2026-01-28 18:12
I teared up when his mom talked about him being lonely as a kid. Then you see the shot of him with all his family and you can see how out of place he feels, that hit home. Fantastic writing there
Gasparde2026-01-28 10:19
Regardless of whether this show is good or not... but it most certainly is a statement to claim that, in a universe that was entirely built upon the idea of superhero action, a universe that was entirely driven by superhero action, a universe that inspired tons of other strictly superhero action driven universes to come up... a superhero action universe that created an entirely new genre, spanning well over a decade now... I find it odd to go around and act like *"oh yea, this superhero action universe show not having any superhero action, people are sure as fuck gonna love that because, after all, that's presumably totally what drew them to the superhero action universe to begin with: a lack of superhero action".*
I really don't understand this desperate notion to turn the MCU into something it's never been, to make it something its original fanbase never asked for... and to, time and time again, be surprised when the people that came for superhero action are disappointed in a lack of superhero action. But instead we'll keep burning money on shows made for people that seemingly don't like the MCU and won't stick around for anything else MCU because they've never liked the MCU to begin with. It just doesn't make sense to me.
The people came for Ironman and Captain America. The people want Ironman and Captain America. Why are you presenting the people with Le Miserables or Grey's Anatomy instead of more fucking Ironman? And why are you *constantly* acting surprised when people don't like anything non-Ironman?
b-wolf952026-01-28 10:52
Superhero Fatigue, my friend. No studio can survive by making only one type of product. It's like eating sweets - it doesn't matter how good they taste, eventually people are going to get sick of them.
Eastern_Hornet_64322026-01-28 11:12
You obviously don't remember Phases 1 and 2. Back before we even got Dr Strange, Black Panther or Captain Marvel, Kevin Feige was saying that he'd only do movies for those characters when they had an idea for how to do something different with them than they'd done with any other hero thus far.
Kevin Feige doesn't want *and has never wanted* to keep doing Iron Man and Captain America, over and over, with every new character. And frankly, I wouldn't want to watch that, either. I've actually watched just about everything in the MCU, including all the pre-D+ Marvel Television stuff. I *like* seeing new stuff. New ways of doing things. If you want to watch Iron Man 1 again, nobody's stopping you. It's on D+. I've already watched it a bunch of times. I don't need everything to be Iron Man 1. And don't come back with "they did a bunch of different movies with that character, not just Iron Man 1", because that's *my* point. Yes, they did. And even IM3 mixed things up by focusing mostly on Tony *out* of the suit. Because even back then, people were starting to complain about things being too formulaic. And that was 13 years ago; Marvel is having to do even more to keep things fresh.
I haven't seen the last two eps yet and I dunno whether the show will end strong, but I do know that I prefer the show I'm watching to the movie Von Kovac is making, because I've seen that movie a million times.
Yash_Ag_2026-01-28 11:47
It is called Marvel's Cinematic Universe, not 'IronMan & Captain America Duoverse'. And lets hypothetically consider that they made it more and more about just these 2 characters then the problem would have been same with what X-men faced that all those movies were somehow about Mystique and Jean Gray in some capacity.
Even if people came for Iron Man and Captain America, they stuck around for many other characters like Thor, Loki, Dr. Strange, Guardians, Black Panther etc. Original Fandom will fade away at some point in future, they need new fans.
WildSinatra2026-01-28 10:25
It’s pure kino
Endawmyke2026-01-28 10:32
Shout out Pacoima
Endawmyke2026-01-28 10:36
Now it’s staring to really feel like the comics. This mini series felt like a really good one shot to flesh out the universe.
Watched this after being disappointed by the ending of Barry and it’s kinda got parallels.
I wanna see what happens to Simon and Trevor now lol
your_mind_aches2026-01-28 15:27
I actually love the ending of Barry, but Trevor Slattery is 1000x the man that Monroe Fuches could ever hope to be.
Endawmyke2026-01-28 19:41
i thought he was more mr cousineau-lite
PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS2026-01-29 01:33
Man my wife and I **loved** every second of Barry. Especially the ending
tanto_le_magnificent2026-01-28 10:54
Just finished it, loved it. The acting was tremendous and the chemistry between the two leads nothing short of electric.
AF20052026-01-28 11:19
It gets two👍👍 from me. Yahya Abdul-Mateen and Ben Kingsley, the most unlikely pairing you could think of. Insane chemistry and damned hilarious, I was laughing out loud more than once! Killer soundtrack too.
NothingReallyAndYou2026-01-28 18:02
I hope they release a soundtrack album, so I don't have to track the songs down individually.
AF20052026-01-28 20:47
Well we know for sure they had Chaka Khan as Trevor seemed obsessed with her 🤣
mikeydme272026-01-28 20:43
When the first episode ended with a Fat Freddy's Drop song I couldn't believe my ears!
PresentMarsupial69102026-01-28 21:18
Absolutely. It's crazy how good they are together.
AF20052026-01-28 21:21
Aside from the two excellent leads, I think one of the funniest running gags was the bit with Josh Gad. Very inside baseball but I was rolling and wheezing with laughter during that whole segment!
whassupbun2026-01-29 02:29
> damned hilarious, I was laughing out loud more than once!
Ben Kingsley got some great lines, him at the birthday party was hilarious. It's definitely a dramedy, I'm 4 episodes in and there are some LOL moments every episode. Would have binged all 8 episodes if I didn't have work this morning.
PanTran4202026-01-29 06:28
> Yahya Abdul-Mateen and Ben Kingsley, the most unlikely pairing you could think of. Insane chemistry
They were fantastic together.
dnzz602026-01-28 11:25
Feels closer to a Disney version of what Netflix marvel would have come up with (ie not as R rated or gritty but has the humour and rhythms of those series). Really enjoyed it. Worth your time.
GRILT_CHEESE2026-01-28 11:25
Really boring. No idea how it got 90% on RT
Alternative_Kale12642026-01-28 11:48
Tbh im going to Watch like Is not connected to anything BC I Just want to enjoy It without overlooking for something during 1st watch
iso20902026-01-28 11:57
It's very good. Once Upon A Time in the MCU.
your_mind_aches2026-01-28 15:26
Love most of Tarantino's movies, but Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is just not good. This show is genuinely way better than that. This is more like Atlanta plus Barry plus Master of None.
For one, I actually gave a crap about Simon and Trevor's problems, and I could not care less about Rick Dalton's yapping the entire movie.
I'm excited for the Cliff Booth spin-off though. That should actually be interesting.
Foxhound97_2026-01-28 15:59
I've not Heard Atlanta comparisons I'm curious do you mean that in it uses the format of TV well instead of being a long movie kinda of way.
emptylawn02026-01-28 17:34
One episode is very reminiscent of Atlanta s3 where we follow a character thats not Simon or Trevor for the entire episode, which happens to be shot in black and white
Foxhound97_2026-01-28 17:45
That sounds fun you say Trevor is Ben Kingsley in the whole show
emptylawn02026-01-28 17:55
Yep!
JohnnyRedHot2026-01-28 16:56
Haha is this a joke? They obviously meant Once Upon a Time... the show. It's that but in the MCU
JonBellionFan2026-01-28 17:29
Are you for real? How do you figure that's what they meant? The show is about Hollywood, right? Is it in any way related to fairy tales?
macgart2026-01-28 18:43
Ngl I definitely was thinking it was a Tarantino reference too.
your_mind_aches2026-01-28 19:05
Wait why? OUAT doesn't really have any relevance to this show. But OUATIH does.
Glizzygloxx2026-01-28 18:12
Mentioning Atlanta, i kept thinking of Donald glover while watching the trailer
ThatEvanFowler2026-01-28 19:09
Well, counterpoint, I adore Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and think it’s one of Tarantino’s best. Your miles really may vary on that one depending on your knowledge of Hollywood history and general interest in show business and the 60’s. It’s definitely not just “not good”. That’s crazy. It’s cool if you don’t resonate with it, but that’s way too dismissive.
skrrttskrrrrt2026-01-28 16:58
Once Upon A Time is such an underrated show, fell off towards the end but still a great watch for multiple seasons
Typical_Step_11392026-01-28 18:38
I believe they’re talking about Once Upon A Time in Hollywood, not the show about fairytales.
skrrttskrrrrt2026-01-28 19:57
Oh ok, I have no idea what Wonder Man is about but plan on watching it still
scarrita2026-01-28 20:16
It's basically a show about Hollywood looking at itself with a wink and a smile, done well
markc2302026-01-28 20:07
the place cards really did feel that way. It's kind of a buddy movie as well, so maybe it was intentional.
Melcrys292026-01-28 20:44
I'd watch the hell out of more stories of Trevor and Simon solving mysteries every week. They're just so entertaining together. It could be any genre.
CurryMustard2026-01-28 22:02
Or maybe Once Upon a Time in Mexico? Or Once Upon a Time in America? Or Once Upon a Time in the West?
oorza2026-01-28 22:46
It had one good season, then the writers realized they had no other ideas, and they kept telling the same story over and over again. It’s another “watch the first season, ignore the rest” classic. It took longer to get there but it’s the same as Glee
MattIsLame2026-01-29 00:29
good thing we're getting The Adventures of Cliff Booth
NervousSubjectsWife2026-01-28 11:58
Just binged it. It was the most enjoyable marvel anything I’ve seen in years.
Cirias2026-01-28 12:42
It's great, it's basically getting back to it being stories about humans who have powers and what that means for the world and people around them, not just people in supersuits doing cool shit.
BZenMojo2026-01-28 20:19
A show confident enough to just make its own episode of Atlanta revolving around Doorman is a show that deserves the utmost respect. No one's been this ambitious since Mister Immortal's arc in She-Hulk. And we're now that much closer to the Great Lakes Avengers.
Ozymandiiass2026-01-28 21:33
Dropping the name in pervious episode and then taking an entire episode to let us in the story was a great way. If show , don’t tell had an episode.
Lazy_Osprey2026-01-28 22:19
I think you’ve summed it up perfectly. Doing it that way was much better than just filling us in with an exposition dump
GrrNom22026-01-28 23:03
I missed the times when MCU experimented with the style of filmmaking. Wandavision is still my favourite MCU show because it felt bold and original. Dr Strange MoM too. The plot and 'superhero' moments? Not so much. Ive hoped that Fantastic Four would bring that back with its retrofuturistic, unique look, but again, the plot got in the way.
The doorman episode was the first time in a looong while where everything felt right. The style, the look of everything, the story, they flowed seamlessly in a way that F4 and MoM never did.
Really hope that this is indication of MCU finally being open to writing and making more 'serious' art.
tmssmt2026-01-29 00:49
My question though is where did his powers come from? When did we go from agents of shield saying basically nobody ever actually has real powers to random dudes just having insane power sets and it's so casually accepted that an actors powers were little more than a commercial gimmick
I know mainstream knowledge of God's and stuff makes sense, but is marvel just pretending mutants have been here all along or something?
Cirias2026-01-29 00:50
Well everyone's saying he's potentially a mutant and the traumatic childhood event awakened his powers. That would tie nicely into the X-Men coming into the MCU too.
esar242026-01-29 02:58
We definitely will pretend that mutans has been here all along with the inclusion of namor but the snap might have trigger it to have affected a lot of people which is why people like kamala and probably sadie sink character to have theirs.
ShadowsRanger2026-01-28 12:45
Watched 3 ep's until now and...Holly molly this show is a banger! The quote of Ben Kingsley in EP 2 of what is acting got me good, tears and cheers
N8CCRG2026-01-28 12:52
I'm only two episodes in so far but one thing I really like: it feels like it's taking place in our world again. The MCU started out that way, but as things got wilder (peaking around Infinity War / Endgame) the MCU felt less and less like our shared Earth. It's really fun to go back to that vibe.
hemareddit2026-01-28 12:56
I’ve had issues with great Marvel Disney shows which didn’t require a lot of action but shoehorned big fights into the finale because they felt the need to. WandaVision and Moon Knight come to mind.
Kronman5902026-01-28 18:14
Didnt moon knight get a bunch of criticism because they cut out the fight lol
sharksnrec2026-01-28 18:29
They went out of their way to give us 2 CGI giants fighting each other, but then skipped past the final fight with the main character. Such a bizarre and stupid decision.
markc2302026-01-28 20:12
The 2 cgi giants fighting along side the pryamids was visually stunning and made me wonder why it really hadn't been done before. (or at least I hadn't seen it done before)
sharksnrec2026-01-28 20:28
I won’t disagree that it visually looked cool with the pyramids as the arena.
Faithlessness_Firm2026-01-28 13:06
What a early wonderful surprise for 2026 lets hope this is the year Marvel gets back on track.
What a start! way better than i thought it would be
BZenMojo2026-01-28 20:28
It's co-created by Destin Daniel Cretton, the writer/director of Shang-Chi, which I think is the best-reviewed MCU movie. And he's also directing the next Spider-Man movie.
YoureBendingIt2026-01-28 14:14
I was planning on watching this with my 9 yo son this weekend. We've watched all the marvel stuff together. The title of this article makes me nervous me tho if there's not much super hero action. Should we still watch this together or is this one I should watch on my own if it won't hold his interest?
weonculiao1232026-01-28 14:14
Am I the only one who ended crying with the ending?
samclops2026-01-28 14:15
Did Abed from community write this show?? I love it, but it's also meta on meta on meta, almost feels like re-reading the ultimate universe again...
geekphreak2026-01-28 15:13
I only watched two episodes last night but so far I’m enjoying it
Kgaset2026-01-28 15:19
Interesting. I canceled D+ after another rate hike following people cancelling them in protest of the action against Jimmy Kimmel. I'm sure I'll see it eventually.
HatAppropriate79332026-01-28 15:30
The best thing about this show is it seems like a real production, not a quick “hey look at this character boom explosions”. There is actual emotion and stakes to decisions. Also the chemistry between Simon and Trevor is perfect.
Scottalorian2026-01-28 16:25
I'm only halfway through so far, but really enjoying it.
PsychologicalEye1902026-01-28 16:26
It’s just a good show with two good characters, one of whom turns out to be a super powered man
esar242026-01-29 03:16
While the other have seen real life dragon and being captured by Iron man.
09jtherrien2026-01-28 16:46
Im not familiar with wonder man. Does he have powers, but just doesnt do any superheroing? Or is about a normal guy who plays a superhero?
marccoogs2026-01-28 17:29
Basically, it's a show about a struggling actor, who wants to play a superhero in a movie called Wonder Man, but has to hide the fact that he has REALLY has superpowers, which is illegal in their world.
Typical_Step_11392026-01-28 18:34
Wonder Man has some powers similar to Superman. He can fly, has strength that is about equal to the Hulk, and can control ionic beams. In the comics, he’s sometimes a villain but is a famous movie star. In this, he’s hiding his powers because superheroes are being hunted by Damage Control and superhero actors are outlawed.
bigpapirick2026-01-28 17:13
Yahya Abdul-Mateen II can do no wrong in acting.
Ben Kingsley is already a legend.
Every moment they spend discussing acting, quoting famous monologues, respecting the craft is just pure television gold.
I expected it to be good, I did not expect the dialogue and weight to be this great. I’m only just finished episode 3.
QuantitySharp26622026-01-28 23:26
Aw God hear hear 😂 I love hearing actors discussing the craft and then this comes out and two absolute thespians in the main roles, doing the thing I love.
I hope to God this isn't the last of them.
SirRichardLove2026-01-28 17:34
Oh my God, this show is incredible. I went in with no expectations and this is just blowing me away at how amazing it is. 11/10
If this does not win any Emmys I will be so upset. This makes me feel for the characters and draws me in completely. I want to see so much more of this.
EternalMage3212026-01-29 05:55
Its amazing how making the heroes normal people can really draw you in. I wasn't a huge fan of Falcon and The Winter Soldier, but when Sam and Bucky went to Louisiana in episode 5, it really showed a side of them you just can't fit into a normal Marvel movie. Wonder Man was a whole series about a normal guy who just happened to have powers. All of his issues just made him so relatable.
Environmental_Ad9552026-01-28 17:52
I love this show man. It’s got so much damn heart. I was rooting for Simon. So refreshing.
peanauts2026-01-28 17:54
this was a solid watch, at this point the world is well established, it's nice to see smaller stories.
chirpz882026-01-28 18:05
Wife an I watched the entire thing last night. It was very good. More focused on the people and the situations than cape stuff. The show seemed very self aware, in on its own jokes, and aware of the space the show was taking part in while also feeling not at all part of that space (in a good way).
Einchy2026-01-28 18:10
Ended up watching 6 episodes last night but stopped cause it was 2 am, this show rules. Simon and Trevor work amazingly well together.
Also, I just love how 95% of the show is shot on location. Simon driving around with real cars in the background on real streets makes everything feel way more grounded when you’re used to everything two feet behind an actor being cgi.
NyriasNeo2026-01-28 18:15
Just finished it. Great show. Don't need super power fights to carry a story. Refreshing. Good characters. The wonderman-barnaby parallel is clearly not coincidental. The writing is clever. The acting is superb.
spoilers ...
glad to see the mandarin "back".
RihoSucks2026-01-28 18:22
Watched the first 2 episodes last night. Yahya and Kingsley have great chemistry. Its actually refreshing knowing this isnt gonna pull a wandavision and just revert back to tired mcu cgi punchfests for its finale. Cant wait to finish it this week!
coolgaara2026-01-28 18:24
Had zero expectation. Almost thought about just skipping it. But decided give at least the first episode a go. Ended up finishing all 8 episodes. Absolutely amazing. Is it too much to ask for MCU to make them all amazing like this?
JinSakai6192026-01-28 18:39
I binged it and absolutely loved it.
FragrantStation64882026-01-28 19:14
Honestly my second favourite mcu show rn (Loki never getting beat) but for all the reasons I wouldn’t expect, it’s the show I’d expect to hate, kinda like queens gambit on Netflix if anyone’s seen that, expected to be bored, was massively entertained
FragrantStation64882026-01-28 19:14
Oh yeah not counting animated shows!
SharedAuto2026-01-28 19:36
this show is my dream come true. A down to earth character study with no superhero half-assed vfx showdown and goddamn how great it feels to finally see it!
Wonder Man ending was what I was wishing for Wanda Vision's ending to be. That would've made Wanda Vision a 9/10, and Wonder Man is 8/10 easy for me. Did felt it dragged a little on 7th episode but damn this is such a breathe of fresh air!! Excited to see more of Wonder Man!!
SirFritzalot2026-01-28 19:56
I really really loved this show.
I have Loki and Daredevil above it, but this is the most character driven show marvel has done in a long time. Would've worked even without the marvel brand.
A- for sure. Only gripe is the Haitian accents, outside of his dad, were pretty bad lol.
markc2302026-01-28 20:05
they are using his powers to show the inner turmoil of his character. The walls were crumbling down around him, both literally and internally.
checker2802026-01-28 20:12
It felt like Altman’s The Player. Part drama, part satire of Hollywood that’s operating on a few different levels.
PresentMarsupial69102026-01-28 21:19
It's seriously good. Yahya is so damn charismatic and an amazing actor.
Ok_Satisfaction_2412026-01-28 22:11
Definitely one of the better shows marvel has done recently
TelenorTheGNP2026-01-28 22:13
4 eps in and I'm invested.
Jaydeekay802026-01-28 23:34
On episode 7 now and really liking it. But damn this show for (spoilers just in case) >!making me google Joseph Gordon Levitt pigeon incident!< thinking it could’ve been a real thing. lol
CourtSport30002026-01-29 00:12
REALLY GOOD SHOW 👏
VVantaBuddy2026-01-29 00:18
this show is amazing. if they release it back when people care about Marvel, it would received so much love than now.
Boring_Newspaper57962026-01-29 00:59
i like it. the damage control is likely setting up for tom hollands upcoming spider man movie. i also very like the ending. those things are what i like about mcu and they executed it well. overall story is very good. they didnt rush things and still get the pacing right. its also nice to see the depth of the character trevor slattery. mcu things we got it right. the duo have good chemistry too
ALi8or2026-01-29 01:40
One of the best MCU productions of all time. Damn, this shit was good. So much heart was put into it, fantastic performance and excellent writting.
blaq_fenrir2026-01-29 01:43
This show is great! It's definitely one of the best things Marvel mad for Disney Plus. I'm afraid Marvel will stop making things like this (and Werewolf by Night, Agatha All Along) because they seem to moving into a phase of being risk averse. If this was the mindset during phase 1, we don't get the Guardians of the Galaxy. Simon is such a good character, I wouldn't mind seeing him crossover into the movies
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I stopped watching Marvel shows by default after giving up on Secret ~~Wars~~ Invasion a couple of episodes in but I'm going to give this one a shot
(Thank you for pointing that error out - have corrected my post)
The key to understanding Secret Wars is to know that it's actually an acronym for the plot: Spiderman Eats Cap, Regrets Everything. Twist: Wakandan Astrophysicists Reveal Superman
That’s like if you watched every movie up to Thor the dark world and then said “nope they all will suck, I’m out”
With a weird response and I keep seeing people say it. Especially people who claim to be fans of marvel and posting on their subreddit.
I said I stopped watching them by default. Not that I stopped watching all Marvel content. Before Secret Invasion if Marvel announced a new TV show we were watching it, usually the week of release. After giving up on Secret Invasion, not even deliberately we just kind of lost interest and put something else on somewhere around episode two or three we now don't watch Marvel TV shows by default but generally wait for reviews or word-of-mouth as to whether we bother with them. There had been earlier shows that weren't as enjoyable before that too (Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Echo both felt weaker beforehand) which likely informed the new approach but it's not like a discussed and agreed policy, just now our consumption of Marvel content has shifted over time in response to our enjoyment of it.
I also said in my post that I'll be watching this new show so I'm really not sure how you got the idea that I said that I've "stopped watching them all"
> That’s like if you watched every movie up to Thor the dark world and then said “nope they all will suck, I’m out”
It's more like watching Thor Dark World and a couple.of other less good bits of Marvel content over the course of a year or so and thinking "hmmm, maybe they won't all be as fun and I should be more judicious with my time on these things". I saw every Marvel film in the cinema up to Endgame but after that we were fine waiting for the Disney+ release or watching them on flights etc. we've watched every Marvel movie available now but with less urgency.
> With a weird response and I keep seeing people say it. Especially people who claim to be fans of marvel and posting on their subreddit.
I think it's a weirder response to not adjust your consumption of media based on your enjoyment of it over the course of 18 years. I also disagree with the implication that someone being a bit more judicious only "claims" to be a fan and shouldn't participate in this sub. I consider myself a Simpsons fan but there are stacks of episodes I haven't seen because they've been churning out content for decades. Implying that I shouldn't discuss a franchise unless I've consumed every single piece of media surrounding it feels needlessly reductive, _especially_ when we're discussing an IP based on comic books where it is neither possible nor expected to have read _everything_.
It's just a ridiculous attitude to have and such a clear case of hive-mind behavior. Whatever the consensus seems to be online from a vocal minority is immediately adopted by more and more people, and next thing you know "everyone" hates whatever the internet told them they are supposed to hate.
There's the lives of Asgardians living In LA, there's the former student of Kamar Taj misusing his sling ring. There's a costumer for super heroes (or wannabe superheroes).
The irony is that when the John Byrne Sensational She-Hulk book came out in 1989 (the very clear inspiration of She Hulk: AAL) it was a great critical and commercial succes that did all of what the series did: broke the fourth wall regularly, was devilishly funny and meta, and viciously satirized fanboy culture, comic book tropes, and comic book nerds. But back then, we didn't have an echo chamber of terminally online, perpetually triggered fanboys whose continuing regurgitating of "It sucks!" made them think their minority opinions reflected the majority's feelings.
The marketing could have been better to sell the fact that it was going to be lighthearted and funny, but that's really the only flaw I saw in the rollout for the show.
People’s reactions to Trevor Slattery are a great example of how normal people react to supervillains.
Just those two examples alone make the world fill bigger and more lived in.
I really don't understand this desperate notion to turn the MCU into something it's never been, to make it something its original fanbase never asked for... and to, time and time again, be surprised when the people that came for superhero action are disappointed in a lack of superhero action. But instead we'll keep burning money on shows made for people that seemingly don't like the MCU and won't stick around for anything else MCU because they've never liked the MCU to begin with. It just doesn't make sense to me.
The people came for Ironman and Captain America. The people want Ironman and Captain America. Why are you presenting the people with Le Miserables or Grey's Anatomy instead of more fucking Ironman? And why are you *constantly* acting surprised when people don't like anything non-Ironman?
Kevin Feige doesn't want *and has never wanted* to keep doing Iron Man and Captain America, over and over, with every new character. And frankly, I wouldn't want to watch that, either. I've actually watched just about everything in the MCU, including all the pre-D+ Marvel Television stuff. I *like* seeing new stuff. New ways of doing things. If you want to watch Iron Man 1 again, nobody's stopping you. It's on D+. I've already watched it a bunch of times. I don't need everything to be Iron Man 1. And don't come back with "they did a bunch of different movies with that character, not just Iron Man 1", because that's *my* point. Yes, they did. And even IM3 mixed things up by focusing mostly on Tony *out* of the suit. Because even back then, people were starting to complain about things being too formulaic. And that was 13 years ago; Marvel is having to do even more to keep things fresh.
I haven't seen the last two eps yet and I dunno whether the show will end strong, but I do know that I prefer the show I'm watching to the movie Von Kovac is making, because I've seen that movie a million times.
Even if people came for Iron Man and Captain America, they stuck around for many other characters like Thor, Loki, Dr. Strange, Guardians, Black Panther etc. Original Fandom will fade away at some point in future, they need new fans.
Watched this after being disappointed by the ending of Barry and it’s kinda got parallels.
I wanna see what happens to Simon and Trevor now lol
Ben Kingsley got some great lines, him at the birthday party was hilarious. It's definitely a dramedy, I'm 4 episodes in and there are some LOL moments every episode. Would have binged all 8 episodes if I didn't have work this morning.
They were fantastic together.
For one, I actually gave a crap about Simon and Trevor's problems, and I could not care less about Rick Dalton's yapping the entire movie.
I'm excited for the Cliff Booth spin-off though. That should actually be interesting.
The doorman episode was the first time in a looong while where everything felt right. The style, the look of everything, the story, they flowed seamlessly in a way that F4 and MoM never did.
Really hope that this is indication of MCU finally being open to writing and making more 'serious' art.
I know mainstream knowledge of God's and stuff makes sense, but is marvel just pretending mutants have been here all along or something?
What a start! way better than i thought it would be
Ben Kingsley is already a legend.
Every moment they spend discussing acting, quoting famous monologues, respecting the craft is just pure television gold.
I expected it to be good, I did not expect the dialogue and weight to be this great. I’m only just finished episode 3.
I hope to God this isn't the last of them.
If this does not win any Emmys I will be so upset. This makes me feel for the characters and draws me in completely. I want to see so much more of this.
Also, I just love how 95% of the show is shot on location. Simon driving around with real cars in the background on real streets makes everything feel way more grounded when you’re used to everything two feet behind an actor being cgi.
spoilers ...
glad to see the mandarin "back".
Wonder Man ending was what I was wishing for Wanda Vision's ending to be. That would've made Wanda Vision a 9/10, and Wonder Man is 8/10 easy for me. Did felt it dragged a little on 7th episode but damn this is such a breathe of fresh air!! Excited to see more of Wonder Man!!
I have Loki and Daredevil above it, but this is the most character driven show marvel has done in a long time. Would've worked even without the marvel brand.
A- for sure. Only gripe is the Haitian accents, outside of his dad, were pretty bad lol.