Let’s say the Russo’s pull off the seemingly impossible and Doomsday is Infinity War level, how does that affect your opinion?

Since the Russo‘s were announced to be returning to Marvel to be doing the next two avengers films, there has been a lot of discourse on how it feels like they are showing out the hits or going after nostalgia. I have been wondering what is everyone’s opinion on if they manage to do it? What if they manage to take every single thing that has been put forward and they use Robert Downey Jr. to craft this narrative around Dr. doom and the various forces at hand and they create something that is genuinely incredible?

How would you view Marvel after that point?

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Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 00:18

Considering my opinion hasnt jumped on the negative for views bandwagon, i have had no reason to be any less excited than i was when any of these films were announed. Nothing has happened to make me change my opinion. So if its just as good as infinity war ill feel very vindicated.

Imakemaps182026-01-27 00:19

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rubyschnees2026-01-27 00:22

this

i will never understand the pull people have to immediately go negative, i'm excited for these movies and will continue to be until i'm in the theater watching it

MC_chrome2026-01-27 00:31

Miserable people are incentivized to spread their misery everywhere else, thanks to social media.

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 01:44

negativity gets more views.

Gorguf622026-01-27 00:37

It's the social media equivalent of "if it bleeds, it leads".

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 01:45

that and for whatever reason if you dare be excited by something then you're a shill. Like no im just excited. I love this stuff, its very important to me, and i have yet to be let down.

Confident-Elk-68112026-01-27 00:18

I think it would say more about how well the Russo Brothers know how to handle the content than Marvel itself. I'm praising them if this succeeds, not Marvel.

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 00:21

And if it doesnt will you also be putting that on the russos? Or is this another typical if its good then the directors get all the credit but if its not then magically its the studios fault and they have no part

NervousAd32022026-01-27 00:23

Yeah this sounds like they don’t wanna give Marvel credit in any outcome lol

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 01:48

its a common thing sadly. If something happens that people like oh it must be the director or the one that they prefer's doing. But anything that they dont like, nope its gotta be the studio's fault, no way its the director. Theres been so many times where for instance, something will happen and because ppl dont like it somehow its Kevin's fault (when it was actually a director choice) and then something else happens that ppl like and then bam not a peep about kevin (even when it was his idea)

Confident-Elk-68112026-01-27 02:03

Gonna be honest man, this isn't my perspective at all and I apologize if you interpreted it that way, but I just really put a lot more of my focus on directors, cast and crew. If Doomsday isn't great yes, I will put more on the Russos because they've proven they have what it takes to do this correctly.

I don't give New Line Cinema credit for Lord of the Rings, I give that credit to Peter Jackson. I don't give Warner Brothers credit for The Dark Knight, I give that credit to Christopher Nolan. I don't give Fox Searchlight credit for The Shape of Water, I give that credit to Guillermo Del Toro.

That's just my personal perspective on all movies. When a movie does things right I think of the director, cast and crew before I think of the studio.

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 02:20

id say while yes we need to give flowers to the writers, the crew, the cast, the directors, some at least should go to the studios. Filmmaking is a collaborative process, and in particular, imo, for marvel films, they deserve a lot more credit than theyre often given. Particularly people like Kevin, who is very involved in these films, more than you're standard WB producer or Fox producer.

And the directors and writers of a bunch of these films have said the same, in regards to they give credit to Kevin as well. And not just kevin, this applies to people whove worked at marvel like Nate Moore.

I mean just recently, Destin Daniel Cretton said that wonder man couldve been a tax write off when the strikes happened but the producers fought for the show and now we're getting to see it.

and in the case of a film like doomsday, kevin in particular is very involved in looking after that, only stepping away to cast Sadie Sink and hire Jake Schrier for X-Men.

It just feels like whenever someone has an issue with a film or a show, its always people like Kevin and the studio who get the pitchforks but when its a good thing, its always as though its in spite of them rather than because everyone involved was working together.

Ryan Johnson recently talked about it like, it is a collaborative space. You cant go in being like yo this is what im doing if you dont like it too bad. If you go in aggresive, they'll match your energy and vice versa, which is why he is able to make his films without like any conflict whatsoever.

Confident-Elk-68112026-01-27 02:33

Completely valid perspective, and I totally agree. If I'm being honest I've almost forgotten how heavily involved Kevin is in the process. I think for the Infinity Saga, for one reason or another, I was extremely aware of his presence. Maybe I'm not keeping up with the behind the scenes as much as I used to, so I'm happy to hear he's just as involved as he's always been. Lots of unsung heroes in all of these films.

Thank you, I appreciate you for putting things in a different perspective.

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-27 02:41

There was a point in 2021-2022 when bob chapek was mandating huge pushes for disney+ from all ips that he had to split his attention to a lot of things at the same time, but since chapek was dropped, and they got marvel television and marvel animation divisions up and running, with brad winderbaum (who is another one that is very involved) theyve been able to get to a place again where Kevin can have a more maneable plate, but still they can keep everything in-line. Brad is like his eyes and ears for the shows.

This is the type of thing that james gunn and peter safran now have with DC, whereas before it was just like WB would make a DC film, now its DC Studios is its own thing, the same way Marvel is its own division of people who work specifically on marvel projects.

you know who else doesnt get enough credit, Sarah Halley Finn, the casting director for the mcu. Absolute legend, in my book.

NervousAd32022026-01-27 00:25

I mean they work directly with Marvel on their movies to execute a shared vision, just like all the other directors do so I don’t see the logic in saying “the movie was good bc of the Russos not Marvel”

PeterTingle6162026-01-27 00:30

Looking at the track record of the Russos’ other works, they’re clearly not gonna be some game-changing X-factor here. They just work well within the Marvel machine and can steward the production of big Marvel movies well. They don’t write these movies.

thethirst2026-01-27 00:20

This is what, the 3rd time they've done the "Look at the old characters from those other movies!" trick and that well has already run dry. Bringing back RDJ and Evans just feels like they're making the same mistakes that the comics did.

I wish they'd go all in on the new generation of characters and make multi-season shows about stranger heroes. So even if they do well, if they're not actually saying goodbye and moving on to new characters and stories, I'm going to have a lot of trouble staying interested or engaged.

MCUTheorist000072026-01-27 00:52

How has it run dry? No Way Home made almost 2 billion, D&W made 1.3 billion...and those were singular characters movies. Apply that to an Avengers film. You may not like it, but it is what sells and, as long as they are as entertaining and fun as those two were, they can keep doing that until I'm ninety.

thethirst2026-01-27 00:55

It's lucrative but I feel like it's creatively bankrupt and can't last long term. The comics themselves really suffer from rarely letting characters die or move on, and I was hoping since actors age or want to do different movies they'd be forced to do so. But they just keep walking that back and it makes for movies and a universe I find it harder to care about.

MCUTheorist000072026-01-27 01:07

I agree with the comics perspective, but the MCU isn't on that level. First of all, we are in the Multiverse Saga, of course they are bringing back variants or older characters like the X-Men back, it is the entire point of it. About the story aspect, in NWH they did a lot of bold movements, leaving Peter Parker alone and with everyone forgetting him, they also killed off Aunt May. They didn't brought back the other 2 Spider-Men just for the sake of it, for example, Andrew Garfield arc was unfinished from his movies and him saving MJ helped him to get some redemption. There's a lot of newer characters in the spotlight right now, like Yelena, Sentry, the Fantastic Four or even Shang-Chi and it doesn't seem like they will be ignored going forward

thethirst2026-01-27 01:18

I hope so! I want it to go well since I like the characters and world, but they seem to be scared to try to build up the new characters. Shang Chi not having a sequel and being a main player this whole saga is their biggest misstep if you ask me.

It was neat seeing all the Spider-men and I think that did the whole crossover thing best. But the alternate Avengers in Doctor Strange dragged the movie to a halt and I feel like Deadpool ran the jokes into the ground. That's why I don't feel like there's enough unique to do with Doomsday. I'd love to see more about Monica and reconnecting with Carol, but I'm worried she'll just be pushed aside so we can have Kelsey Grammar Beast on screen instead.

MCUTheorist000072026-01-27 01:33

Yeah, I hope we get a Shang Chi sequel, he was one of my favourite characters so I agree it was a BIG mistake. The Illuminati were a good concept to have them executed by Wanda, but the fight should have been longer, because Mr Fantastic death was really stupid. About Deadpool I do not agree at all, I feel that since it is a Deadpool movie, the jokes were executed perfectly and it was one of the best MCU movies for me, but I can understand why other people may not like that. And about The Marvels, I liked the movie way more than Captain Marvel but I absolutely dislike Carol and prefered Kamala and Monica way more,I don't have anything against the actress , it's just that I don't like the character's personality, but after that post credit scene it would be absolutely stupid if Monica and Carol didn't return, like it is obvious they must. I also hope they bring back Moon Knight and Kate Bishop, since I also found them two of the best new characters from the shows side.

Imperfectpuzzlepiece2026-01-27 00:20

They won’t

Thrashgor2026-01-27 00:29

But the question was: what if.

No matter if they will or won't, op asked a specific question and you're giving the one answer that is not required

OkOil3782026-01-27 00:49

Congratulations for contributing precisely nothing

Imperfectpuzzlepiece2026-01-27 01:03

Welcome 🙏

OkOil3782026-01-27 01:10

I haven’t thanked you. Welcome rescinded

mandoaz19712026-01-27 00:20

I expect nothing less from them. Waited my whole frickin life to see secret wars on the big screen!!

o_MrBombastic_o2026-01-27 00:20

It wouldn't change my opinion, I don't want marvel to fail at something I want them to put out something genuinely incredible. I like what the Russos did before and I'm hoping they do something as incredible again

MrONegative2026-01-27 00:47

Yeah, this is the right energy for the moment. They’re taking big risks (RDJ as Doom) and hitting the panic button (Steve back, Russos back), but if they land it, it’s only good for the fans and theaters.

VikingHighlander2026-01-27 00:20

I don’t feel like Doomsday is supposed to be Infinity War level… I think it’s more how Ragnarok led directly into the opening scene of Infinity War. Doomsday will directly lead into Secret Wars pt.1.

BatmanForever232026-01-27 00:27

>Doomsday will directly lead into Secret Wars pt.1.

If you genuinely believe that there's a secret Secret Wars pt.2 that's somehow been completely kept a secret.. you're just setting up for massive and avoidable disappointment. Doomsday is IW, Secret Wars is Endgame, if you're doing an equivalence.

thehighlotus2026-01-27 00:34

I don’t think it’s supposed to be a secret. Just this week, the rumor mill was churning out a possible SW2, as the story is getting too big.

Obvi I’m not saying I believe that’s happening or that anything is confirmed, just that it’s not impossible.

jonny5isalive12026-01-27 00:28

I hadn't thought of this but I hope you're right. That would be awesome.

Flipsyde972026-01-27 00:21

I have zero doubt the Russos & everyone at marvel studios will deliver a two-part movie event for the ages.

Infact I expect them to top infinity war/endgame ✔️

axelofthekey2026-01-27 00:21

If I like it as much as Infinity War and I don't view most of the returning legacy characters as damaging to my memory and nostalgia, I will be impressed. But I suspect the film itself will tell a solid narrative the way the other Russo MCU films have. I just don't think it will feel like payoff in the same way.

allthenamesaretaken42026-01-27 00:22

They seem to be really good system directors (working within Marvel's system, or AD and Community in their TV work before) but they have failed to show anything significant when working on their own projects or with little/no oversight.

Ok-Average-64662026-01-27 00:23

It isn't that hard to pull off. Most of the teams are in place. And you can spend the majority of the movie setting up Sam's team. Have the plot be that the 616 is the battle ground

RihoSucks2026-01-27 00:23

Wouldn't change it at all?

Brees5042026-01-27 00:25

It wouldn’t? The Russo’s being able to make a good Avengers’ movie would tell us exactly nothing about the quality overall future quality of the MCU.

NervousAd32022026-01-27 00:26

Then we can genuinely say Marvel is back & I think general audiences will be looking forward to their upcoming projects again

Orion141592026-01-27 00:26

The Russos' MCU projects have consistently been among my favorites of the entire saga. I'm on board with whatever direction they want to go

Aggravating-Mix20942026-01-27 00:27

I’d say it shows that directors of ensemble tv shows are the only people genuinely capable of handling films with such sprawling casts and stories. Say what you will about Joss, but he and the russos come from the same world

hewasaraverboy2026-01-27 00:27

They are the only directors in the mcu I trust to pull it off

Tityfan8082026-01-27 00:27

I think it could be good but don’t expect Infinity War whatsoever. They’re not trying to copy and paste the same ideas anyways, Doomsday will be its own unique movie, as it should be, and by that I hope it’s really good! But stop expecting everything to top another really good movie, you’re just setting yourself up for disappointment.

dekomorii2026-01-27 00:27

The bar would be even higher with secret wars

AttilaTheFun8182026-01-27 00:28

Exactly the same as I do now.

I like some of the projects. I like some others less (Secret Invasion aside, I don’t actually dislike any I’ve seen).

_Cromwell_2026-01-27 00:28

Thing is... it won't be. It can't be. Part of what made *Infinity War* to be Infinity War Level was that it came out as the culmination of a bunch of hits one after another of movies about characters that were almost universally fantastic, joined together in a cohesive story, and about characters that we universally adored together.

Even the most rosy MCU fan these days doesn't have as solid an attachment to the overall universe as people did back when *Infinity War* released. So even if *Doomsday* is an amazing feat of moviemaking and a near flawless superhero film all on its own, it won't have the weight of the characters and phases preceding it to give it the "heft" it needs to be "Infinity War Level".

I do hope it is good and enjoyable, though. But it will somewhat have to stand on its own in a way that *Infinity War* didn't have to.

OkOil3782026-01-27 00:54

I’ve only watched Avengers when watching Infinity War for the first time.

Then I rewatched the entire saga, and my level of enjoyment for Infinity War was the same before and after

Christopher_Home2026-01-27 00:57

This. I believe most people on r/marvelstudios are here because they're major fans of the MCU so its in our interest for Doomsday to succeed.

However, the continuous failures since IW/EG have worn down some of our faith in future projects and with so little buildup for both such a major villain and a big storyline, its hard to have the level of success of IW.

whitepangolin2026-01-27 00:29

What is my opinion if they make a good movie? My opinion is that I will enjoy it...

BigB0iBuster2026-01-27 00:30

The multiverse saga has been EXTREMELY over-hated and I’ve always been incredibly excited for the next Avengers movie (even when it was originally Kang Dynasty), so….

I would feel the same way that I already do: the Russos are the best CBM directors of all time

Wtygrrr2026-01-27 00:30

Why does that seem impossible? Seems like a strong chance to me.

dontlettheflamedie2026-01-27 00:33

I’ve been staying hopeful about Doomsday this whole time, so if it reaches that level, I’ll be wildly impressed given just how much it had to balance

Scary-Command22322026-01-27 00:34

Just re-watched all the avengers movies and I just want to see those actors back on screen together again, even as different characters, so I'm excited.

BladeStudios2026-01-27 00:34

I’d still feel the same because I’ve always been of two minds about it.

1: I’m interested to see what they are cooking up with RDJ. I’m one of the seemingly few that thinks and encourages the idea of this Doom being a Stark variant. I think it can create a cinematic dynamic and atmosphere that they can only really have this one time.

2: Whether it turns out great or not still leaves part of me a bit disappointed that we’ve come to this point which means the MCU has essentially just been spinning their wheels for nearly a decade. Like, this story (whatever it is) could’ve been done in like 2023 and we could’ve now been deep into X-Men and Fantastic Four (and a truly integrated universe).

I know this is a short essay, but I do anticipate that The Russo will do a good job, but that job will be isolated. It will not remedy the issues the MCU has had leading up to their return and it will not prevent the issues that may come after these movies come out. I mean, unless they sign on the oversee the next saga afterwards.

shehulud2026-01-27 00:37

Depends on if they off Loki right off the bat. If so, they are dead to me.

Street_Mall95362026-01-27 00:38

As long as it's not too busy it will make out fine.

Problem is they've got (legitimately) 50 plus characters from the current universe AND the Fox universe AND the multiverse PLUS you know there going to be a bunch of fakeouts like in MOM, AND they have to bring every character from every TV show in, AND don't forget there's an additional 25 villains if they are doing battleworld.

It has the potential to be a very confusing and busy mess.

knotsteve2026-01-27 00:39

I have low hopes for this nostalgia fest, and I'm unlikely to pay to see it in the theatre without recommendations from people I trust, but I expect I will see it eventually.

If it turns out to be a fantastic movie and not just a fan service theme park ride, then I will express my relief and excitement.

And if it's that good, I'll hope that Marvel manages to keep the Russos around indefinitely because the movies they make on their own aren't worth the resources they cost.

TDStarchild2026-01-27 00:42

Crazy impressive. Infinity War and Endgame are genuinely my favorite Marvel films ever. I don’t know how the Russos, or anyone, clears that bar

But I have no doubts whatsoever that they’ll make an amazing movie that’s in line with all the rest of their MCU movies. In the top 10ish discussion

What’ll be interesting is *when* Doomsday is awesome, how many who have already decided they won’t like it no matter what will reverse course. Secret Wars would have crazy hype after

Ranos1312026-01-27 00:43

It wouldn’t change my opinion because how the movie actually performs has no bearing on my current opinion of the poor choices Feige has made in the Multiverse Saga. Maybe they always planned for som nostalgia by bringing back characters that died or were gone in previous movies. Maybe it’s a desperate effort to save the franchise. I don’t know and I don’t really care.

How Doomsday performs won’t improve the bad movies and TV shows that have come out the last five years. It won’t change the fact that we had no Avengers movies in Phase 4 or 5. No, Thunderbolts* does not count as an Avengers movie.

My opinion on what has happened will remain unchanged. My opinion on Doomsday has not yet been formed because it hasn’t come out yet.

MCUTheorist000072026-01-27 00:48

It wouldn't change, since I already think that it will be amazing, the Russos have yet to deliver a less than incredible marvel movie

Ccjfb2026-01-27 00:50

I still contend that Marvel has and continues to do what no other franchise ever will be able to recreate. The interwoven film stories that span multiple genre/versions of superhero films and that culminated in Endgame was simply mind-blowing. No one had done that before and no one has done it since. Now add to that the inclusion of TV and cartoon formats in this interconnected web. Again, impossible for any other franchise. Now we are witnessing a further step as former franchises and brands are brought back across stories and time all to seemingly be further connected.

I do like normal movies and of course an excellent movie is an excellent movie. I hope Doomsday is an excellent movie. But it and Secret Wars will be further pushing this franchise beyond what anyone will be able to do again.

FeralPsychopath2026-01-27 00:50

Eh. If/when they do it’ll derail any new IP being considered for at least 2-4 years.

That1DogGuy2026-01-27 00:52

I don't think it is possible for them to pull off another Infinity War. I'm not even talking about the quality of the film, that they can definitely do again. However, the hype is just not there like it was for Infinity War and I don't believe it will ever reach that same level again. At least not anytime in the next 5-10yrs.

I do hope to be proven wrong though.

Uncanny_Doom2026-01-27 00:52

I'm not one of the people that has been ripe with hyperbolic negativity for years about Marvel so my opinion won't really seem like much of a shift. I'm excited for Doomsday, everything about the movie is interesting so far, the Russos have never made anything less than great in the MCU, I'm expecting something very fun with a great balance of tone.

My largest concern really is how the universe will be re-established and move forward after Secret Wars and what the structure of future MCU phases/sagas will be like. That's not something that I'm sure Doomsday or Secret Wars can really solve in one fell swoop even if they are the two greatest Marvel/MCU/superhero/blockbuster movies ever made.

OkOil3782026-01-27 00:53

I’d imagine it’ll be Endgame level at worst

TriggerHydrant2026-01-27 00:53

tbh if it's a fun movie I'm okay

leonredhorse2026-01-27 00:54

I’m optimistic because they’ve shown an ability to handle large casts and make pretty good films.

It won’t change my opinion of the last phase we got. I think there are a lot of solid movies, but with them so slow to follow up on characters and the theme being disjointed (even before Jonathan Majors was fired and the direction changed) it doesn’t have the same impact for me. They needed to have a clearer vision after Endgame and they fumbled that IMO.

Ky1arStern2026-01-27 00:54

It would vindicate all the people who have been saying that marvel doesn't have a "super hero fatigue" problem, they have a "shit writing" problem.

I am in that camp btw. Some stuff has been good, some stuff has been bad.

PepeSilviaIsASkrull2026-01-27 01:23

For better or worse, it will likely heavily frame how I view all of the multiverse saga and what went wrong.

On one hand, Disney did make mistakes, they definitely made the same streaming mistake many studios made and the MCU was collateral. Quality took a hit because Marvel was burdened with trying to be a huge draw for Disney+

On the other hand, a lot happened that Marvel couldn’t predict. They had to deal with Boseman’s passing, Majors legal trouble, a Hollywood strike, and a worldwide health pandemic. All of those things heavily altered the creative process, and it all occurred at the absolute worst time.

If Doomsday is really good, it will make me wonder what could’ve been without those external factors, and give me more confidence that Marvel never really lost their touch.

Euroversett2026-01-27 21:28

Same as I did in IW.

They had already made Winter Soldier and CW before IW.

Then they, in my opinion, dropped the ball with EG.

So if DD is IW level, I hope SW isn't a new EG.