I had an idea for a Secret Invasion movie
(LOGO NOT MINE)
So it’s a bit of a rough draft, I’m sure there’s many many things that maybe wouldn’t work, idk, im actually submitting it here for feedback
So, we all know the show was a bit of a mess. What’s such a huge thing in the comics is like.. a one-off show where it feels like Marvel just went “yeah whatever” and had no consequences like, at all. So after thinking awhile on how it could be.. like, in any way better, I came up with this idea. Firstly, the lineup of the team.
Captain America, Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Ant-Man, Wasp, War Machine, Doctor Strange, She-Hulk (mmmaybe). Thor is off-world doing Love and Thunder, and Carol is.. I haven’t thought of an excuse, but also off-world
Okay, so here’s the plot; instead of the conflict being “we were promised a planet and we don’t have one rahhh”, it’s actually the opposite- it turns out Nick and Carol DID give them a planet, years ago. However, that planet died. They had to quickly evacuate all the people as fast as they could, and they barely escaped when it was destroyed. They think, “they sent us to a dying planet on purpose to get rid of our kind. They knew this planet was doomed, that’s why they brang us here!” And so they plan revenge on Earth for deceiving them and trying to genocide their race. They launch a.. \*secret invasion\*
And so the movie goes on, the Avengers are recruited, it’s revealed Sharon was a Skrull (which sorts retcons/explains the whole Power Broker stuff), Rhodey was a Skrull, and Hank Pym was a Skrull, some Skrulls shapeshift into other heroes (some dead heroes) to try and screw with the Avengers’ brains, etc
Towards the end, the big final battle, it’s revealed that the reason their planet blew up wasn’t because it just magically died - it was the point of \*an incursion.\* Strange, knowing about incursions (DS2 would be before this movie), realizes; “\*Wait, if an incursion happened, we should all be dead. This universe shouldn’t exist. Someone stopped the incursion.\*” It’s then revealed that, that someone (whether it’s in post credits or whatever) was Kang. Kang blew up the Skrulls’ planet (after they evacuated) to stop the incursion from destroying both universes. But by the time they realise what happened, the battle is basically over and it’s much, much too late. And MAYBE, Valentina gets the ending shot on the Skrull Queen, not the Avengers (like how in the comics >!Norman Osborn gets the final shot.!< (spoilers just in case lol), leaving the Avengers to VERY mixed reactions from the public. Some are happy they’re back. Some think they’re Skrulls. Some think they’re frauds because they weren’t even the ones to stop “the bad guys”.
This sets up Thunderbolts, Kang Dynasty, The Marvels, and leaves the state of everything in a \*much\* more “what now?” state than the show did. Again, this is a rough draft as you can tell by me only having the beginning and end thought out, but- feedback is very much appreciated if you read this all lol. I tried to base this off the comics as much as I could
So it’s a bit of a rough draft, I’m sure there’s many many things that maybe wouldn’t work, idk, im actually submitting it here for feedback
So, we all know the show was a bit of a mess. What’s such a huge thing in the comics is like.. a one-off show where it feels like Marvel just went “yeah whatever” and had no consequences like, at all. So after thinking awhile on how it could be.. like, in any way better, I came up with this idea. Firstly, the lineup of the team.
Captain America, Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Ant-Man, Wasp, War Machine, Doctor Strange, She-Hulk (mmmaybe). Thor is off-world doing Love and Thunder, and Carol is.. I haven’t thought of an excuse, but also off-world
Okay, so here’s the plot; instead of the conflict being “we were promised a planet and we don’t have one rahhh”, it’s actually the opposite- it turns out Nick and Carol DID give them a planet, years ago. However, that planet died. They had to quickly evacuate all the people as fast as they could, and they barely escaped when it was destroyed. They think, “they sent us to a dying planet on purpose to get rid of our kind. They knew this planet was doomed, that’s why they brang us here!” And so they plan revenge on Earth for deceiving them and trying to genocide their race. They launch a.. \*secret invasion\*
And so the movie goes on, the Avengers are recruited, it’s revealed Sharon was a Skrull (which sorts retcons/explains the whole Power Broker stuff), Rhodey was a Skrull, and Hank Pym was a Skrull, some Skrulls shapeshift into other heroes (some dead heroes) to try and screw with the Avengers’ brains, etc
Towards the end, the big final battle, it’s revealed that the reason their planet blew up wasn’t because it just magically died - it was the point of \*an incursion.\* Strange, knowing about incursions (DS2 would be before this movie), realizes; “\*Wait, if an incursion happened, we should all be dead. This universe shouldn’t exist. Someone stopped the incursion.\*” It’s then revealed that, that someone (whether it’s in post credits or whatever) was Kang. Kang blew up the Skrulls’ planet (after they evacuated) to stop the incursion from destroying both universes. But by the time they realise what happened, the battle is basically over and it’s much, much too late. And MAYBE, Valentina gets the ending shot on the Skrull Queen, not the Avengers (like how in the comics >!Norman Osborn gets the final shot.!< (spoilers just in case lol), leaving the Avengers to VERY mixed reactions from the public. Some are happy they’re back. Some think they’re Skrulls. Some think they’re frauds because they weren’t even the ones to stop “the bad guys”.
This sets up Thunderbolts, Kang Dynasty, The Marvels, and leaves the state of everything in a \*much\* more “what now?” state than the show did. Again, this is a rough draft as you can tell by me only having the beginning and end thought out, but- feedback is very much appreciated if you read this all lol. I tried to base this off the comics as much as I could
Commentaires
IMO a lot of the hate for the Secret Invasion series has come from people who barely gave it a chance, people who felt it needed to fit their own narrative for where the MCU should be heading and focussing next, people who got all twisted up that an established character like Maria Hill could be allowed to die as part of a storyline. >!IIRC there was also some suggestion that Armor Wars should have been prioritised, and making Colonel Rhodes into a Skrull was not good for his character's arc - but we later saw he was only replaced and the real James Rhodes is now available again.!<
Sure, there were development issues, with re-writes and crew changes. But that sort of thing happens fairly often anyway when a project is greenlit so far out from broadcast dates. The story hangs together well enough, and my only disappointment is I would have liked the last three episodes to have each been edited differently to enable ten minutes longer durations.
Your own idea has several problems. You want to reinstate Kang as a main character. Never going to happen, unless the part is re-cast. You want to form yet another Avengers-type team. That would take a lot of narrative away from the Invasion aspect, making the Skrulls into minor characters - can anyone remember much about the Chitauri? And bringing Norman Osborn across from the Sony Spider-Verse seems like another legal minefield, not worth the payback unless he's going to be much more than a "villain of the week" cameo.
However, let's wait and see. Lots of speculation is already online about where the MCU will be heading after Doomsday and Secret Wars, and whether the X-Men and F4 arrival will create new threats and opportunities. Kevin Feige has apparently said that phases 7, 8 and 9 could see more of the supernatural aspects of Marvel. That direction doesn't much suggest Skrulls (unless they quickly learn some magic powers).
I personally think every MCU other MCU project is “fine” at worst, and agree most disliked MCU projects are due fans projecting their own expectations onto a project, but I couldn’t stand Secret Invasion.
The first episode of the series was great IMO. I’m upset (now) that we lost Maria Hill in such a subpar show, but at the time, the first episode was great and set up what I thought would be a great show.
The main nail in the coffin for the show is it’s a body snatchers type show without any tension. The audience is given no tangible sense of the stakes of “anyone could be a Skrull” in any shown way, we’re only told.
In Ep.1 it was not just Agent Ross, who appeared to be escaping a pursuer, but was actually not, but also another was Gravik who took the disguise of looking like Fury so he could shoot Hill. The cliffhanger at the end of Ep.2 was when Fury went home to his wife, who was a Skrull right up until he turned round. Then in Ep.3 when Talos met with Gravik, and all the other diners revealed themselves. In Ep.4 we are first shown that Col. Rhodes is a Skrull when she was showering before leaving for work. In Ep.5 we watch as Sonya Falsworth shows her team that their boss was a Skrull, before tracking down some scientists who are also revealed as Skrulls when she kills one.
Have you made any effort to rewatch it since it first came out? Or are you just holding onto those initial judgements you made, and won't ever give it another viewing?
We have limited time on this planet. I might give a 2-hour movie a second chance if my reaction is far off from people's whose opinions I respect, but I'm not going to do that with a TV series I struggled to make it through the first time.
>You want to reinstate Kang as a major character. Never going to happen, unless the part is recast.
Yeah, the point here wasn’t “let’s replace Doomsday”, it was “in an alternate timeline, this could be the movie replacing the show”. Like, yknow.. before the firing and before the whole mess of what happened to Jonathan Majors
>You want to form yet another Avengers type-team. That would take a lot of narrative away from the invasion aspect, making the Skrulls into minor characters
It’d be a quick assemble, it’d be formed through the post credits scenes of past movies, and it’d definitely not “take away” from the Invasion - several things would happen from the comic run that would leave the audience majorly focused on the Skrull invasion rather than “waow superheroes” bc we had that in avengers 1 and 2 and 3 and 4
>Bringing Norman Osborn from…
No, I was making a comparison. I was speaking about Norman from the COMICS
Either way I wanted feedback on the story/basic plot I wrote not an entire argument spanning 90 comment threads on how bad or good the show was LOL
Most of us can probably see the MCU is currently strong enough to remain in production for at least another ten years, unless some major catastrophe befalls the entire industry. Disney is in a good place right now, especially after the success of Zootropia 2 (or Zootropolis 2 depending where you live).
The early X-Men movies first screened around 30 years ago, and they've talked a lot about a focus on mutants, and the supernatural. Although they've re-done Fantastic Four origins several times, and had a few different Hulks, those weren't all under the Disney banner (pun intended). With so many characters still unscreened, and so many stories from comics not yet transitioned to live action, I believe there'll be little appetite for revisiting tales already told.
As for your characters and their behaviours, sure, it could work. There are so many team-ups that have happened in the comics, that it would be difficult to think otherwise. They usually bicker and squabble a bit, then work together for a common cause. From a story-telling perspective you need a beginning, a middle, and an end. Some kind of plot-twist before you get into the final act is often included in the "classical" structure if that's what you're aiming for.
If you are thinking about writing a project for an ensemble cast, that approach requires a lot more development for each character's purpose and motivation than if you have just one or two main roles and a few key supporting characters. The danger is that you might introduce people who are disconnected from the main action, and the audience will notice as they drift in and out.