Like if that woman who isn’t Mariah Dillard didn’t talk to Tony and he was against it and Natasha and Rhody didn’t sign it then what would happen to the heroes.
Probably the same thing that happened to those that chose not to sign it.
eagc72026-01-25 04:06
Ross: Then you retire.
ZarmRkeeg2026-01-25 04:24
[All the Avengers close in menacingly]
"Maybe *you* retire, Ross..."
Shadowrend012026-01-25 05:51
Because threatening a government offical always ends well
ZarmRkeeg2026-01-25 05:57
Well, signing the Accords didn’t end well anyway, so... :-)
Just saying, if they all refused to play ball and Ross decided to declare that keant he was shutting them all.down, I don't think it would go well for him.
But it's also a joke comment on a completely fictious situation that didn’t even happen within a fictitous story and never will. So, no big deal if it is completely wrong! :-) I admit to the possibility.
AnonymousFriend802026-01-25 08:06
Ask mutants how well it goes when humans decide they don't want anymore of you.
The only people suffering from the Accords were Steve, Natasha, Sam, and Wanda. Because they decided to go on the run.
Jertimmer2026-01-25 19:33
I distinctly remember Clint and Scott being imprisoned at the Raft.
AnonymousFriend802026-01-25 20:27
Do you also remember them being on house arrest because they took a deal to retire and be with their families.
PyroIsSpai2026-01-25 08:24
There’s a difference between you and I… versus Sentry.
spidervenom6192026-01-25 09:07
I'm sure that Tony or Nat has against Ross that they can used against him like IDK THE FACT THAT HE WAS ONE THAT SENT ABDOMIABTION AGAINST HULK ONLY CAUSE HIS DAUGHTER WAS BANGING BANNER.
LewisRyan2026-01-25 19:24
Tony: “I bought the government”
Johncurtisreeve2026-01-25 04:08
There’s only two options either sign the accords and you can somewhat continue still being avengers or if you don’t sign it you basically have to give up doing whatever superhero work you’re doing or if you do it without signing it, you will be placed under arrest
ChildofObama2026-01-25 04:17
If Civil War was intended to have permanent consequences and not just make it so Tony and Steve are not on speaking terms going into Infinity War,
President Ellis probably would’ve eventually taken notice of Ross’s incompetence and called Tony to find a new supervisor who majority of the Avengers might be willing to listen to.
Or replacing the Accords with a Charter/rules agreed upon by every country, rather than asking them to raise their hands and ask a UN committee to go out on missions.
spidervenom6192026-01-25 09:09
It is baffling to me that some people don't think that Ellis wouldn't be on the guy that save his life in Rhodey and Tony over Ross.
Ellis is actually a good guy, he ain't like Ross, He who shall not be Named or that twat from Secret Invasion that sent America into World War 3 against Aliens.
TowelFine69332026-01-25 04:35
Would be hella funny if they all just stopped....
After a few weeks Ross would be on the phone: *"Hey, guys, if you could, you know, go do your thing, that would be great. My poll numbers are on the shitter & I really need you to get back to it."*
Antrikshy2026-01-25 05:08
"Have you tried losing the mustache?"
swagonflyyyy2026-01-25 06:12
Its just that this is such a chicken or the egg sotuation.
Vision said it himself: maybe their powers invite challenge instead of the other way around. But they can't take that risk neither and retire.
Still, a lot of bad guys like Thanos were already pushing their agendas so its a moot point.
CaptHayfever2026-01-25 06:42
> Still, a lot of bad guys like Thanos were already pushing their agendas so its a moot point.
This.
Thanos was on his crusade for decades, if not centuries, before the Avengers even formed.
Red Skull already existed before Steve Rogers became Cap, & the various world governments & secret military organizations would've kept trying to make serum without him, or the Winter Soldier, or the Hulk, or....
The Kree were already imperialist oppressors before Carol Danvers got powers, & Ronan would've still destroyed Xandar if the Guardians never existed.
Obadiah Stane planned Tony Stark's kidnapping & murder before he was Iron Man.
Loki sent the Destroyer to kill Thor while Thor was still powerless.
ghoonrhed2026-01-25 14:51
But Iron Man's following villains were caused by him. Same with Spiderman's.
And as Thor said to them, it was Shield messing with tech beyond the worlds that drew Loki/Thanos to them.
Also from the Civil War context, at that time none of those problems were known. It really did seem like most of them were actually just Tony based which is why he was so pro-accords.
CaptHayfever2026-01-25 19:03
Vanko was reacting as much to what *Howard* Stark had done as he was to Tony.
Vulture was caused by a government agency cheating him out of his contract; if Stark had been directly involved in that matter, he probably would've paid out Toomes's contract, & none of that problem would've happened.
None of the No Way Home villains knew about Stark at all, & except for Electro, none of them really cared about Stark tech once they arrived.
AmaterasuWolf212026-01-25 12:27
Pretty much, 2013-14 had villains who were in the past resurging to haunt the heroes (Aldrich, Elves, Hydra), Ultron was Tony's and AntMan had nothing to do with the Avengers
matty_nice2026-01-25 06:52
Isn't that what happened after Civil War anyway? Tony seemed to be retired. Hawkeye was retired. Ant-Man was under house arrest. War Machine was hurt.
So who was on Ross' Avengers? Maybe Vision, who was also hooking up with Wanda so he wasn't too loyal.
JBTriple2026-01-25 07:04
Ross's Avengers was literally just Iron Man, War Machine, and Vision (and kinda Spider-Man but not really).
spidervenom6192026-01-25 09:08
And even Vision was really only there for like half of the year cause he was chilling with Wanda the other time.
AwayEfficiency38892026-01-25 04:41
But what if they just didn’t let themselves be arrested
DaHyro2026-01-25 04:53
Then they’d be criminals for resisting arrest
AnonymousFriend802026-01-25 08:08
You mean like Steve, Natasha, Sam, and Wanda?
AmaterasuWolf212026-01-25 12:25
This is what secret identities are for
legomaximumfigure2026-01-25 04:48
No Avengers, Thanos wins, fade to black.
Eclipsiical2026-01-25 04:53
Thanos already won when the team was split up, unironically if they had been a united front even if they were all criminals on the run they would have probably fared better
Phimb2026-01-25 09:03
That's.. the entire point of infinity War.
VicRamD2026-01-25 12:34
But who will contact Steve? They did it because Tony had a phone he left him.
Wrong-Vermicelli47232026-01-25 05:22
Actually think he loses if the accords aren’t signed. That would mean the whole team would be on the same side. They all would’ve been criminals but together
spidervenom6192026-01-25 09:12
Let's just say that all of the Avengers including Clint and Wanda signed the Accords and the United Nations says that they can't get involve with stopping Thanos until they get their permission. What is stopping Thanos from invading right there and taking the Infinity Stones away from the Avengers and the Avengers can't do nothing about it?
legomaximumfigure2026-01-25 15:05
They would still have to fight because Dr Strange would not willingly give up the Time stone and Vision is connected to the Mind stone. Plus most in this thread are forgetting about Zemo. Whether or not the Accords are signed Zemo still tries to get Tony and Steve to fight which will break up the team. Plus, Wakanda doesn't get involved and they are integral to slowing Thanos's forces down.
Nothingnoteworth2026-01-25 05:10
The problem with public perception was that they were, to paraphrase Stark, prevenging, not avenging, or even just defending. The heroes were actively going after villains, thus a portion of the public blamed the heroes for collateral damage
The problem for governments, as Ross partially explained, was the heroes were a bunch of mostly American citizens fuckin about in other countries, and governments don’t like not being in control of powerful things.
The heroes could all refuse to sign, and all retire, but as soon as the next crises rolls around and they aren’t there…
Public perception will suddenly weight towards *why were these guys just sitting around when we needed saving, who cares about a little collateral damage, who made them sign the accords anyway, are governments stupid or something?*
Governments will be reading reports from their top brass along the lines of “Shot a nuke at that ring shaped ship over New York but some guy without a nose just flicked it into Winnipeg. We need to rethink our strategy of nuking New York, we are zero for two”
…and then they’ll be asked to please, pretty please, come out of retirement, no accords for you
Alternatively. They all refuse to sign and refuse to retire. They all stick together and with as much passivity and lack of violence as possibly, resist arrest. Governments pretty quickly give up. They might remain, notionally, fugitives, but that’ll only last until the next crises, in which case see above
Alternatively alternatively. They all refuse to sign and refuse to retire. Governments try to arrest them. They all decide *well if my heroing isn’t appreciated maybe I’ll just try some villaining*, they team up with some other villains, subjugate some other villains, and the Avengers endgame ends up being general
Ross in a collar and leash giving Captain America a foot massage. Wanda expanding Westview to a good quarter of the United States. Hawkeye… ummm… shoots some arrows at stuff, but in a villainy way. Banner goes on a road trip to rage Hulk down the most picturesque downtowns and main streets. Etc etc
Desperate_Duty13362026-01-25 05:24
It basically becomes My Hero Academia.
Heroes are licensed, trained, and deployed by the Government or some kind of acting body. Its taboo for them to act on their own and they could have their licensed suspended/revoked if they do.
Anyone who doesn't sign or does their 'heroics' outside the law would be considered a Vigilante and could be arrested if caught for performing unlicensed/unsanctioned hero work.
WildMongoose62062026-01-25 06:08
If they didn't signed they must retire. Also I feel if fury,thor and Bruce were present in civil war I don't think avengers would have broken up in first place and stayed united without signing the accords.
Pleasant-Answer-9182026-01-25 06:14
didn't watch the movie eh?
uncleben852026-01-25 07:28
Any actions they would've taken would have been deemed illegal, and they would have been sent to the Raft (or one of the several other places we've seen enhanced individuals sent, such as the Vault, Damage Control Supermax, Rikers Island, Oahu Correctional, Blue Raven Ridge, Seagate, Brynmore Psychiatric, St. Teresa's, Echo One, the Fridge, the JCT Building, etc.)
Samaritan_Pr1me2026-01-25 07:37
Technically the Sokovia Accords weren’t actually in effect the entire time.
As accords, this would be a binding treaty on all the signatory nations. As such, in the USA that means that they’d have to be ratified in the US Senate because the Constitution. This means that the Avengers could probably safely operate on US soil until the Accords were either ratified or rejected. Considering that this was in 2016 and apparently Trump did get elected President in the MCU, it stands to reason that the Republican Party wasn’t too keen on it and would have been able to pull off a successful block. Throw in a couple cranky Democrats that Pepper Potts possibly persistently lobbied and those Accords are DOA.
That is, if Pepper doesn’t sue the government alleging breaches of the Constitution on multiple points, including the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, and 14th Amendments.
LittleBingo962026-01-25 11:14
Should the Sokovia Accords apply to ICE?
Samaritan_Pr1me2026-01-25 14:55
Realistically? No, because again the USA would need to ratify the Accords and I don’t see that happening in 2016.
For the plot to happen? Yes.
Jenkes_of_Wolverton2026-01-25 09:59
This is a massive plot line in other MCU adjacent shows. AoS has had Phil Coulson compile a list of people, a register that later falls into the hands of Hydra and other criminal elements. The Gifted is in a different universe, and has a quasi military task force going around locking people up or forcing them into hiding.
And her name was Stokes, Mariah Stokes...
kanyeomariwestlover2026-01-25 11:41
What If…? The Avengers went on the run?
ContentVanilla21402026-01-25 20:46
The Blip wouldn't have happened, Tony would still be alive, Cap wouldn't have messed up the timeline, all in all, they probably would've been a whole unit with the Guardians against Thanos.
I'd even go so far as to say Doomsday and Secret Wars probably wouldn't happen.
ContentVanilla21402026-01-25 20:47
Or none of this would have happened if they didn't sign the accords, cuz then the TVA would have interfered.
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"Maybe *you* retire, Ross..."
Just saying, if they all refused to play ball and Ross decided to declare that keant he was shutting them all.down, I don't think it would go well for him.
But it's also a joke comment on a completely fictious situation that didn’t even happen within a fictitous story and never will. So, no big deal if it is completely wrong! :-) I admit to the possibility.
The only people suffering from the Accords were Steve, Natasha, Sam, and Wanda. Because they decided to go on the run.
President Ellis probably would’ve eventually taken notice of Ross’s incompetence and called Tony to find a new supervisor who majority of the Avengers might be willing to listen to.
Or replacing the Accords with a Charter/rules agreed upon by every country, rather than asking them to raise their hands and ask a UN committee to go out on missions.
Ellis is actually a good guy, he ain't like Ross, He who shall not be Named or that twat from Secret Invasion that sent America into World War 3 against Aliens.
After a few weeks Ross would be on the phone: *"Hey, guys, if you could, you know, go do your thing, that would be great. My poll numbers are on the shitter & I really need you to get back to it."*
Vision said it himself: maybe their powers invite challenge instead of the other way around. But they can't take that risk neither and retire.
Still, a lot of bad guys like Thanos were already pushing their agendas so its a moot point.
This.
Thanos was on his crusade for decades, if not centuries, before the Avengers even formed.
Red Skull already existed before Steve Rogers became Cap, & the various world governments & secret military organizations would've kept trying to make serum without him, or the Winter Soldier, or the Hulk, or....
The Kree were already imperialist oppressors before Carol Danvers got powers, & Ronan would've still destroyed Xandar if the Guardians never existed.
Obadiah Stane planned Tony Stark's kidnapping & murder before he was Iron Man.
Loki sent the Destroyer to kill Thor while Thor was still powerless.
And as Thor said to them, it was Shield messing with tech beyond the worlds that drew Loki/Thanos to them.
Also from the Civil War context, at that time none of those problems were known. It really did seem like most of them were actually just Tony based which is why he was so pro-accords.
Vulture was caused by a government agency cheating him out of his contract; if Stark had been directly involved in that matter, he probably would've paid out Toomes's contract, & none of that problem would've happened.
None of the No Way Home villains knew about Stark at all, & except for Electro, none of them really cared about Stark tech once they arrived.
So who was on Ross' Avengers? Maybe Vision, who was also hooking up with Wanda so he wasn't too loyal.
The problem for governments, as Ross partially explained, was the heroes were a bunch of mostly American citizens fuckin about in other countries, and governments don’t like not being in control of powerful things.
The heroes could all refuse to sign, and all retire, but as soon as the next crises rolls around and they aren’t there…
Public perception will suddenly weight towards *why were these guys just sitting around when we needed saving, who cares about a little collateral damage, who made them sign the accords anyway, are governments stupid or something?*
Governments will be reading reports from their top brass along the lines of “Shot a nuke at that ring shaped ship over New York but some guy without a nose just flicked it into Winnipeg. We need to rethink our strategy of nuking New York, we are zero for two”
…and then they’ll be asked to please, pretty please, come out of retirement, no accords for you
Alternatively. They all refuse to sign and refuse to retire. They all stick together and with as much passivity and lack of violence as possibly, resist arrest. Governments pretty quickly give up. They might remain, notionally, fugitives, but that’ll only last until the next crises, in which case see above
Alternatively alternatively. They all refuse to sign and refuse to retire. Governments try to arrest them. They all decide *well if my heroing isn’t appreciated maybe I’ll just try some villaining*, they team up with some other villains, subjugate some other villains, and the Avengers endgame ends up being general
Ross in a collar and leash giving Captain America a foot massage. Wanda expanding Westview to a good quarter of the United States. Hawkeye… ummm… shoots some arrows at stuff, but in a villainy way. Banner goes on a road trip to rage Hulk down the most picturesque downtowns and main streets. Etc etc
Heroes are licensed, trained, and deployed by the Government or some kind of acting body. Its taboo for them to act on their own and they could have their licensed suspended/revoked if they do.
Anyone who doesn't sign or does their 'heroics' outside the law would be considered a Vigilante and could be arrested if caught for performing unlicensed/unsanctioned hero work.
As accords, this would be a binding treaty on all the signatory nations. As such, in the USA that means that they’d have to be ratified in the US Senate because the Constitution. This means that the Avengers could probably safely operate on US soil until the Accords were either ratified or rejected. Considering that this was in 2016 and apparently Trump did get elected President in the MCU, it stands to reason that the Republican Party wasn’t too keen on it and would have been able to pull off a successful block. Throw in a couple cranky Democrats that Pepper Potts possibly persistently lobbied and those Accords are DOA.
That is, if Pepper doesn’t sue the government alleging breaches of the Constitution on multiple points, including the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, and 14th Amendments.
For the plot to happen? Yes.
And her name was Stokes, Mariah Stokes...
I'd even go so far as to say Doomsday and Secret Wars probably wouldn't happen.
Mariah … Stokes