She Hulk Season 1
At first I didn’t really like She-Hulk because I was coming off the more serious Marvel shows and it just felt different. But I rewatched it later with the right expectations and honestly, it grew on me a lot. It’s actually pretty funny, works well as a legal comedy, and the tone makes way more sense when you treat it like a Marvel version of Ally McBeal (which I love). Once I stopped expecting it to be another dark MCU series, I ended up really enjoying it.
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Fun stories? Check. Silliness? Check? 4th wall breaks? Check? Beautiful women? Check check check!
It was absolute pain going through it and I'll likely never go anywhere near it again.
"Anyone saying the @SheHulkOfficial TV show wasn’t “comic book accurate”…I’m the guy who has written more issues of SHE-HULK than anyone. I’ve read every single comic from every #SheHulk run. And I’m saying, for the record, it is the MOST comic book accurate show in the MCU."
Ultimately I think the show had all the right ingredients but imo it just needed more episodes to properly settle in and find its definitive voice. Sometimes it would have this somewhat bitter sociopolitical tone and then other times it would be a fun legal procedural. More episodes would’ve helped balance that out I think.
This is the reason I'm not super stoked on all the Marvel shows just being limited run miniseries. I think the MCU could really do a show that can run for multiple seasons, and build upon the last season in the same vein Agents of Shield did. Yes, you can argue Loki ran for multiple seasons, but it's honestly just a 2-part miniseries.
Maybe the DODC could be a good vessel for a longer running show, I think an organisation dealing with the aftermath of superheroes would be really interesting.
Freaks and Geeks but at the X-Mansion, with a hint of Abbott Elementary.
She’s like Superman in that regard. You don’t expect Superman comics to be about Clark Kent being an investigative journalist do you? No, that’s Lois’ wheelhouse. Journalism is Superman’s day job
Misogyny is not.
And if you're trying to downplay that misogyny had everything to do with a lot of the responses such as **review bombing episodes before they were actually out**, well, *we know who you are.*
Even within the MCU, Wandavision was applauded. Agatha was applauded. Jessica Jones is rated higher than The Winter Soldier, even though it went downhill, as is Agent Carter.
Stop riding the bandwagon that doesn't accurately represent reality.
I don't disagree that some stuff gets review bombed, but exceptions don't prove the rule you people try to tout as some absolute fact of all female lead things, as I just proved by 4 other MCU properties which didn't get review bombed just because it was female led.
Incidentally, Ms Marvel's review bombing was absolutely criminal in my opinion!!!
The problem with people like you and the person I responded to is you go at everyone like me that comments, like we are part of the vocal minority that hates on stuff "because woman", but for me, it couldn't be further from the truth, some of my favourite shows & films are female lead. I have no issue in the slightest. What I do take issue with is the blanket bullshit you people peddle like it's fact when it's demonstrably incorrect, for the MCU and film & TV in general.
I mean, most of the people in this thread alone like She-Hulk lol. Where is the female lead hating exactly? Just because you can find aspects that confirm your bias, doesn't mean it's representative of overall reality.
Oh no Meg and Tatiana stop shaking your asses at the camera I'm so angry right now
Or that she describes the experiences of women who have to suppress emotions?
Or that her cousin didn’t kill her when he had an opportunity?
Or that her meta commentary is comic accurate?
I don’t see how anyone could like the show after these unforgivable sins.
Thankfully I had lots of very very angry YouTube accounts to tell me how I should feel.
There, I think that expands upon my point and makes an irrefutable argument.
But She-Hulk has always been more comedic than Hulk.
So it's more like Community, 30 Rock, and Rick and Morty than it is like Friends, New Girl, and Big Bang Theory.
So if you like that more satirical, meta, 4th wall breaking stuff, then it's decent. But if you want to watch something that's cracking jokes and puts people in ridiculous situations for laughs, She-Hulk isn't it.
Especially crazy when you consider Multiverse of Madness still gets a load of hate here. Ain't no way MoM is worse than the 3 projects I just mentioned, I'm sorry
That's not to say there aren't legitimate criticisms about the show or legitimate reasons for not liking it, but when people were hating on the show _before it even released_, it's clear that a lot of folks were motivated to hate it for reasons outside of its own quality.
It was just so poorly executed. Barely any courtroom scenes. The Daredevil episode had the only well written courtroom scene, which was written by an actual comic book writer. What a novel idea!
The lambastic nature with which they treated Banner. Just outright dismissing his hardships, which have been a nightmare, and suggesting that dealing with shitty people in every day life is somehow worse than having the American military scouring the Earth for your whereabouts. That's just MCU canon. We could talk about the severe trauma of his childhood, but that's comic until it's on screen.
Anyway, there's a lot to like with the show. But I feel they dropped the ball.
But everything else about it I thought was pretty great, and it really came into its own in the last couple of episodes.
Now the bit that will bury me...
I really wish that mindset, just going in without crazy expectations, had been more widespread after Endgame. There were straight-up missteps(looking at you Secret Invasion...), but I still say that overall MCU fare Phase 4+ is nowhere near as bad as the vocal minority says it is.
Ribbit and rip it!
Agreed, and her chemistry with Charlie Cox was *off the charts*. If there is ever a push to bring She-Hulk over to the more serious side of the MCU, they NEED to rekindle that romance.
When they reference "Asgard is a people not a place" it doesn't feel like a cheap reference/fanservice because it's in service to comedy not trying to make the story more compelling.
It's a show style that can drive a lot of good progress for the mcu. You can bring in characters that aren't necessarily going to have their own new project soon or might have an unresolved plot point you can tie up. Like imagine if Shang Chi was in an episode or two. That would be huge for the character or if they addressed the Power Broker here instead of leaving that plot point to dry.
It could have such a good spot in the current mcu lineup, be a Swiss army knife for tightening up any loose bits of writing they need like how they mentioned the sokovia accords were repealed in an episode. Shame they didn't go for the second season.
Agreed. Is it a noticeable step down? Yes. But *bad*? Not even close.
Sadly both the fanbase (regardless of how minor or major they are) are not making it easy and the companies are just giving stuff until they find something because they aren't willing to just lock into an idea and work with it.
Shit's all over the place.
Looking at my most recent reranking after an end of year rewatch, 7 of my top 10 come from Phase 3 (Winter Soldier, AOU and Thunderbolts* are the other three).
Echo was good, I personally found it a bit slow but I'm pretty sure it was just me.
Marvels was great fun, and had great characters.
Eternals was great, just not really a superhero-type movie, more a movie about people who happened to have superpowers.
Moon Knight, Agatha, Werewolf By Night: all absolutely stellar shows.
Really phase 4 was overall really good, and I wish the Disney higher-ups had sucked it up when the review bombings and bad faith Narratives came calling.
SI? No. That actually infuriated me.
For so many reasons. Why are you having a heartfelt "this is my experience as a Black man in America" be done by a shape shifter?? Homie could literally change races and assume a different identity if he wanted to. Like stfu
Also killing Agent Hill for no reason. And then Emilia Clarke's character being OP for no reason
But the show was actually pretty good and gets way too much hate. I thought the finale was one of the better finales of the Disney plus series.
That is my take on it as well.
The problem became a meta-community one. The fact that the pro-She hulk crowd couldnt just admit that she was *wrong* robbed the show of the point it was making.
Then it became a discussion about women and mens emotional regulation, and media portrayal, instead of a discussion about Jens growth.
If they do a season 2 I would love to see more courtroom stuff.
3/4ths of the episodes were lamenting her relationships with men, wondering why boys dont like her and being concerned about her clothes.
The court/legal aspects were almost entirely dispensed with.
It was mildly funny though.
I could see what they were trying to do, but I think they just missed on the execution.
This right here would save so many of these projects for so many people.
Marvel shows gave us different…almost every show had its own unique feel and personality but many hated that. “It doesn’t feel like Marvel!”
Well which is it? What do you actually want besides the freedom to whine? Another big issue has been bandwagon hate. I know too many people who won’t even give a show/movie a chance just because a popular (and very biased) reviewer called it garbage, woke, etc.
That is what destroyed She-Hulk viewership.
Oh, a character known to be funny and unserious at times…that’s been breaking the fourth wall since before Deadpool is now being unserious and breaking the fourth wall?!?!?! What a ripoff of Deadpool! The whole show is about twerking!
Could also use it as a place to answer the small questions about Blip effects and the like. Maybe one of her lawyer buddies is working a case where someone got remarried after their spouse blipped, or a land dispute over property where the original owner blipped etc.
Parks & Rec season 1, Office season 1
There were great pieces, Madisynn, the Immortal, Daredevil fling, Tim Roth. They just needed more time together
I think people were expecting it to be hulk which is very different then She Hulk.
As someone who has not read many comics but likes superheros (I just don't know where to start and at this point I would rather not as comics never end, It's a me thing, It's not important. I love super heros in general. I'm not a fan of DC more than Marvel and in general I think the MCU has been overall great. Like more good than bad. Heck, I'm not even that hard on things like quantumania.) I don't know much about She Hulk. I had heard good things and liked some of the small things I saw online. I was excited for a show that had her to introduce me to her and bring in what she was about. The product we got felt antagonistic and like it was bringing in real world stuff. When I watch movies and shows I try to avoid the shit that is super real world. Like I really don't want to have to watch a show that is making fun of the chuds online who are sexist and all that other stuff.
The second issue is we could have gotten something way better than what we did. Look at all the shows that are really good. I mean like REALLY good. Like the stuff that is so good most people have a hard time denying how good it was. Shows like Loki, Moon knight, Wanda Vision, Daredevil. We could argue that shows like Hawkeye are on equal footing and as good as those shows and I wouldn't argue too hard against you. If we removed the stuff that was antagonistic, threw in a few more fun things, made her a little less abrasive and stopped making it about anything other than she hulk the show could have been so much better. Instead we have what we have.
I watched it the first time and had a hard time not seeing just the bad because of the weekly viewing I did. This second time was a binge of the show and while I am no longer seeing something new and am used to what it was doing it did have some moments that I thought were funnier and better the second time around. Just not any of the stuff that I thought made it bad.
But hey, at least it's not inhumans. I would watch she hulk over inhumans every day of the week. Inhumans is by far the worst mcu product that has come out.