Hopes / Predictions for Spider-Man 5 & 6
Spider-Man Brand New Day introduces the symbiote, and sometime he puts it on and goes into secret wars with it. He then takes it off sometime during Secret Wars as I don't see the big Avengers send off movie having him in a symbiote the entire time, which leads to Spider-Man 5 & 6.
Spider-Man: The Big Day
This would include Black Cat, the Osborns and Eddie Venom + his friend group. Ideally, Brand New Day wouldn't have much, if anything to do with MJ and Ned following his grand sacrifice, but this film would be the beginnings of them becoming together again. Particularly his romance with Black Cat being a part of this arc of him coming back to MJ (maybe Peter thinks spider-man can be with cat, himself with MJ as fair?) Eddie Venom and his normal human friends will be antagonists as well as Black Cat throughout but Eddies' friends won't gain their symbiotes until later, the main focus here is Harry and Norman who Peter is hyper-focused on to make sure they don't turn into the goblin, which, by itself makes one of them turn in the Goblin. This is the titular 'big day' he's worried about, the big day when one of them snaps that he's preparing himself for. This causes him to distance himself from everyone because he's so paranoid about them transforming. Culminates into a third act where he fights Green Goblin AND Venom, when he had one fight with Venom and his friends beforehand, and he returns to MJ and Ned realising his errors. Then at the end when Eddie and co are defeated and bitter, this is when the symbiotes get teased, and in the post credits Peter sees the news or something where a bunch of venom creatures are parading everywhere. Leading into...
Spider-Man: First Day Back
"First day back" because he, MJ and Ned are finally a team again, and this is where we have the big finale. The sinister six, except now with venoms. Only exception is Green Goblin as the leader, as this team would have Eddie and co now consisting of Venom, Carnage, Scream, Riot, etc. At the end Green Goblin could maybe have his sacrifice if he's Harry. This film could also potentially set up Miles as this film would be after beyond the spider-verse, setting him up for taking the mantle. Post credits scene could probably be a tease for a spider following Miles or something.
Spider-Man: The Big Day
This would include Black Cat, the Osborns and Eddie Venom + his friend group. Ideally, Brand New Day wouldn't have much, if anything to do with MJ and Ned following his grand sacrifice, but this film would be the beginnings of them becoming together again. Particularly his romance with Black Cat being a part of this arc of him coming back to MJ (maybe Peter thinks spider-man can be with cat, himself with MJ as fair?) Eddie Venom and his normal human friends will be antagonists as well as Black Cat throughout but Eddies' friends won't gain their symbiotes until later, the main focus here is Harry and Norman who Peter is hyper-focused on to make sure they don't turn into the goblin, which, by itself makes one of them turn in the Goblin. This is the titular 'big day' he's worried about, the big day when one of them snaps that he's preparing himself for. This causes him to distance himself from everyone because he's so paranoid about them transforming. Culminates into a third act where he fights Green Goblin AND Venom, when he had one fight with Venom and his friends beforehand, and he returns to MJ and Ned realising his errors. Then at the end when Eddie and co are defeated and bitter, this is when the symbiotes get teased, and in the post credits Peter sees the news or something where a bunch of venom creatures are parading everywhere. Leading into...
Spider-Man: First Day Back
"First day back" because he, MJ and Ned are finally a team again, and this is where we have the big finale. The sinister six, except now with venoms. Only exception is Green Goblin as the leader, as this team would have Eddie and co now consisting of Venom, Carnage, Scream, Riot, etc. At the end Green Goblin could maybe have his sacrifice if he's Harry. This film could also potentially set up Miles as this film would be after beyond the spider-verse, setting him up for taking the mantle. Post credits scene could probably be a tease for a spider following Miles or something.
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I hope no one makes something like that
Also I was originally thinking Eddie only becomes venom with the rest at the end, but I have a feeling Sony wouldn't want to settle for just a character-driven drama build-up film leading to Green Goblin, there would need to be some other big bad in the middle that isn't an anti-hero like Black Cat. But it would flow better for your idea, I just couldn't see it happening.
Would be an interesting inversion of the Norman-Gwen murderer-victim relationship to have Green Goblin and Spider-Gwen going toe to toe and Gwen prevailing
I'm not a comic reader but my understanding is that the Norman - Peter relationship is usually typified by some great tragedy and loss on Peter's part. The loss of Gwen Stacy in ASM2, and the death of Aunt May in NWH. For MCU Peter, going up against a home-grown MCU Norman isn't going to have the same emotional weight and impact as going up against NWH Norman. NWH Norman is 'his' Norman by virtue of the emotional damage done via the death of Aunt May.
Tom Holland might still be doing an occasional MCU movie by the time Gwen Stacy and Miles Morales take on 'their' Norman, so we could still see them shares some scenes.
As an aside, I do love your idea of building up to the Sinister Six in Spider-man 6 but I'd prefer the leader of the group to be MCU Doc Ock since MCU Peter didn't really have a lot of interaction with him in NWH.