What do people like about Eternals?
Sure it had cool visuals, but it was pretty boring. Cast was super bloated which forced most of the characters to be underdeveloped. The movie felt like a clash of visions, trying to be too many things one. It seemed like Gemma Chan was being constricted by Marvel from making the movie she really wanted to make, especially after watching her other projects. Idk, don't really get the hype.
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The movie has several scenes showcasing their chemistry with each other as a team and as a family
"sersi and ikaris are framed as a thing, but we don't even know why they like each other"
We do since the movie explains it as well, Ikaris is charmed by Sersi's gentle way of teaching the natives how to thrive and Ikaris himself is shown to be charming and acting gentleman-ish towards Sersi
"phastos is initially hesitant in stopping the emergence even though he has the most to lose, having a husband and kid"
at that point Phastos is still acting selfishly since he found the only people he cares about, it makes completly sense he won't attempt initially to save the entire of humanity
"all i know about sersi is that she likes instagram."
Proves you either skipped parts of the movie or you're acting dumb, it shows Sersi's compassion right from the get go
"kingo's there as comic relief and fucks off from the 3rd act even though he also has close ties to humanity."
What's bad about a character being the comic relief? And he has a very good reasoning to ditch the place once they realize they're going against Ikaris, he's refusing to fight against any of his friends/family
"sprite betrays sersi last minute just for some dick"
Sprite is shown to be jealous of Sersi's past relationship with Ikaris from the very start of the movie
It does seems we haven't seen the same movie, I actually watched it and you just skimmed through it since you werent interested in it to begin with
No, they just say they're a family like it's fast and furious.
"We do since the movie explains it as well, Ikaris is charmed by Sersi's gentle way of teaching the natives how to thrive and Ikaris himself is shown to be charming and acting gentleman-ish towards Sersi"
But they have no chemistry, so these reasons aren't reinforced well.
"at that point Phastos is still acting selfishly since he found the only people he cares about, it makes completly sense he won't attempt initially to save the entire of humanity"
it still doesn't, because newsflash: his family lives on the planet
"Proves you either skipped parts of the movie or you're acting dumb, it shows Sersi's compassion right from the get go"
that's not a very solid or unique character trait, that's the bare minimum for a superhero protagonist
"What's bad about a character being the comic relief? And he has a very good reasoning to ditch the place once they realize they're going against Ikaris, he's refusing to fight against any of his friends/family"
because he only exists to make sure the audience doesn't get bored. again, they don't feel like family, so it doesn't feel like he's refusing to turn against the people closest to him, it feels like the writers had nothing to do for him so they just wrote him out of the story.
other than that you're just ignoring or cancelling anything i'm saying, no point talking to you when you've came to this convo with ill intentions to begin with
maybe im cancelling everything you say because they are weakly argued
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The only bad thing was the script, it was too ambitious to take on and develop that many characters and inevitably the script failed
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Her being able to work through her episode independently while being lured in by the support system she relied on is the culmination of her arc of managing her disability on her own.
I liked the large main cast of Eternals. I liked how different they all appeared in terms of age, abilities, personality, etc, but they still had that family dynamic.
Also, the lore and visuals of Arishem and the other Celestials were interesting to me as well.
But specifically, Sersi and Sprite had a good older sis/younger sis relationship that I liked. Ajak was sort of the mother of the group. Ikaris felt like the oldest brother who tries to take on too much responsibility
I will say I'm not sure what you mean by hype, all I've seen about this film from MCU forums is a lot of negativity with a few supporters like me chiming in.
The film is also easily the best looking in the MCU, from the lighting of actually shooting on location, to the towering visage of Arishem. There is also Karun, who is impossible to not like.
I agree with your assessment, however, that it felt like Chloe Zhao was held back; it feels both too “film” to be a Marvel movie, while also too Marvel movie to be a “film”. That’s probably a big part of why neither crowd took to the film. However, I find that its imperfections also add a charm of authenticity.
*Eternals* is easily my favourite post-Infinity Saga movie.
The thing that makes Eternals interesting is that when new information came to light and the Eternals realised that these objectives were no longer aligned, they all made different choices and that showed their characters.
Ajak and Sersi were given a direct order from Arishem and they gave everything to resist Arishem’s will. The strongest of them (Ikaris) turned out to be too afraid of the mere possibility of displeasing Arishem (don’t forget that Arishem didn’t speak directly to Ikaris, Ikaris did everything he did on the basis of what Ajak told him. If Ajak had have been lying to test his loyalty, he would have murdered her for nothing). Sprite and Kingo were most interesting because they made different choices for their own reasons. Sprite wanted to win Ikaris’ favour and Kingo lacked the conviction to take sides. All of them showed character development, it just happened offscreen over the course of millennia.
Calling the characters underdeveloped is categorically wrong and makes it seem to me that you weren't actually engaging properly with the film.
The thing I like most about it however is the subject matter and how it fits into what the social landscape looks like today. At it's core, its about a family with radically different beliefs and how they coexist as a family in the face of that.
Each Eternal has different ideas about what helping the universe means, how invested one should be in that belief and so on. That to me is facinating. Is Druig wrong to take control of soldiers if it stops the bloodshed of a war? Is it right to let the celestial be born if it means countless other lives are created? Even people with the same beliefs but different approaches to them. Such as Icarus being willing to kill for what he believes is right, but Kingo, who believes the same thing, being unwilling to even fight the people he cares about.
I honestly think it's a great movie and surprisingly timely. It really didn't get the credit it deserved.
I *DO* think they feel like a family. I *DO* sympathize with people who are victim to their dogma. It isn't bad writing, *you* just don't like it. Literally the only character that flips motivation in the film is Ajak, and it's to demonstrate how far Icarus is willing to go for what he believes in.
"i dont think their beliefs are differed and varied to add moral complexity, it seems like bad writing."
This is a very dumb sentence and it lacks any critical insight at all. If anything THIS is bad writing.
It just seems to me that you arent willing to engage with this movie the way that it's asking you to. And that's okay. But don't ask people's opinion and then feel like you have the high ground to dismiss the opinion you asked for because you don't share it.
Edit: After reading your other conversations with other people on this thread and reading through what are some of the worst arguments I've heard against a film in some time, I've decided to not engage with you further. I don't know if it's bad faith you're arguing in, or a genuinely low media IQ. Maybe you're just bad at presenting your points and having genuine conversation and not being an asshole about it, I don't know, but the amount of time I've spent replying to you is all I'm willing to give to someone who's opinion holds no value to me.
I recommend watching more movies (with your phone in another room) and learning how to better intake media and articulate effectively (and with a bit of decorum) how you feel about it. I also encourage you to learn how to be open to other points of view. Beginning a discussion with intent to be hostile is bad faith and reveals you as just another film bro who thinks that they are far more insightful than they are.
Do the work and maybe you'll actually be what you carry yourself as: someone who knows what they are talking about. I wish you the best.