When's the last time you felt like Tony's sacrifice actually MEANT something?

1. The TVA just feels like sacrifices are kinda just "predictable" now in the mcu, and are BOUND to happen.

2. Think about it, aside from Far From Home, when did \*ANYONE\* really stop to acknowledge and look at the fact they're even here and alive in the first place because of Tony?

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Chirpy692026-01-22 07:38

Yeah I’m with you. I want sacrifices to be final and have clear meaning. Even bringing back RDJ feels like it’s cheapening it despite no (that we know of) connection to that specific story.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:39

Totally agree

Grantsdale2026-01-22 07:40

What do you want them to do? The story has to continue to move forward. You can’t progress with just talking about the thing that already happened. FFH was pretty much all you could do, and it’s been done.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:44

Like, give or take...

You're fine with this? Essentially, you're fine with just them doing a "hero's duty" above all else, when we've all seen theor emotional moments from all of them so far? It litterally doesn't make sense to me how they litteraly contradict themselves, they just litteraly finally started learning... "yeah, hero's duty doesnt mean bottling it up all inside".

Grantsdale2026-01-22 07:45

Huh?

I’m fine with the story moving on, yes.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:48

So be it, but you at least don't see the writing contradiction in that?

FAWS was about Sam realizing their's more to a hero than on battle hero's duty, Spider Man learned this to, post Infinity war and endgame, Age of Ultron essentially dove into this too, for all of them, so did Iron Man 3, and so on.

Do you need further clarification?

Grantsdale2026-01-22 07:51

I don’t see any contradiction at all. He saved the world. FFH was about the fallout from him being gone. Story goes forward, new people have to take his place.

Hell, you can make the argument that a lot of the story is about filling the hole that him being gone left, and that the new generation of heroes don’t really measure up. Which is why his face showing back up as Doom will be effective, because it will remind the world (of 626) that Tony is gone.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:57

1. Yes, I get he "saved the world", I legit just said FFH did just that, and I liked that, btw. "New people coming" does not mean they litteraly should just totally not hone his legacy. John Walker is just "a new person" who honed Rogers' place. What? You gonna say Walker honing Rogers' place was "right in the name of hero's duty"?? Pre his turnaround?

2. Aside from Far From Home, again, please tell me when this has *heavily* been emphasized?

Grantsdale2026-01-22 08:00

You need to use more words because your points aren’t readable.

As I said, FFH is the main place, because they set up Peter as Tony’s direct ‘heir’. They addressed it directly. Then they moved on because the story has to move on.

Lunny17672026-01-22 08:01

Yep, I guess we just don't agree.

Im saying based on how much they had grown and evolved, that makes "no sense" to just "move on" like litteraly *nothing* happened...

Grantsdale2026-01-22 08:02

Just because they don’t constantly reference it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Lunny17672026-01-22 08:25

Should do that, I'd like that, imo

SUDoKu-Na2026-01-22 07:52

I, for one, need further clarification because you've completely confused me.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-23 06:39

Heh you said duty, which when said aloud sounds like doodie, which is slang for poop. Heh.

Lunny17672026-01-23 17:53

Funny.

Dempressed_Kimg2026-01-22 07:43

There should have been an Armor Wars show to handle the aftermath of passing away of Tony Stark. FFH restricted it's scope to how Spiderman was involved. FATWS show dealt with the aftermath of Steve returning.

Lunny17672026-01-22 17:03

Totally agree!

DunderMifflinBuffalo2026-01-22 07:45

#Never

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:45

Wow, interesting

quantumbagel6252026-01-22 07:46

Not sure why we have to go over this again and again, the TVA doesn't "know" anything anymore. They never did. It is very clearly stated in the season (1) finale that HWR was the curator of the supposed "correct flow of time", and we have long since disposed of him. At the moment, they are currently at work protecting the multiverse from future Kang variants; they don't intervene with the timeline in any way otherwise.

The unpredictability of events in the story is very simply what Loki is out there protecting — free will, unplanned and unrestricted.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:50

Yes, but I think you missed the point.

The TVA in *ESSENCE* said "all of that was destiny".

That *ruined* the actual situational sentiment and relatability to Tony's in moment in battle sacrifice.

quantumbagel6252026-01-22 10:53

I'm still not following, then. Destiny, according to whom?

Lunny17672026-01-22 15:41

The TVA.

quantumbagel6252026-01-23 04:21

Look, dude, I get your concern; I'm listening. It's just that when Loki S1 was airing, the TVA's doctrine raised some pretty obvious conflicts in the lore within the fandom; it didn't add up, it didn't make sense. This is later clarified with a little patience, because guess what.. the doctrine is BS.

Lunny17672026-01-23 04:26

So in essence, what're you saying? Mm

quantumbagel6252026-01-23 04:32

For me, the sacrifices still mean something. Loki S2 clarifies a lot of confusion and very audibly confirms free will. The people who choose to make a sacrifice are doing so of their own volition. Writing timey wimey stories always carries the risk of ruining or conflicting with other lore, but Loki is pretty airtight with their math and science.

Lunny17672026-01-23 04:32

Ah ok, I gdt it now.

All I'm really saying is it doesn't make sense not to make it as "impactful" as I'd want, is all.

quantumbagel6252026-01-23 05:25

Yeah, I can see why you would be concerned. Star Wars has issues with this all the time.

Lunny17672026-01-23 17:52

Its funny because thats what Star Wars gets criticized for these days the very most.

tcain51882026-01-22 07:47

The TVA existing outside of time does kind of make a lot of things feel insignificant, but if we put that aside, Tony's sacrifice meant everything... to everyone. Thanos would have shredded the universe down atom by atom. Everyone and everything would be gone and some misguided bastard universe would have taken its place. Every character, every story, all of it continues because Tony snapped his fingers. I think it would feel forced and awkward if every story after the fact tried to shoehorn in something related to Tony.

All that said, with RDJ playing Doom, I imagine there is definitely going to be some acknowledgement of Tony in Doomsday.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:51

Youre missing the point, I didn't mean it litteraly it meant "nothing".

I *DID* mention Far From Home, by the way, which was an entire movie about just that, Peter's weight and guilt about Stark's loss.

But I'm saying, it litteraly would've made sense if this was done that way for *EVERYONE*.

CaptHayfever2026-01-22 07:51

I don't understand your complaint. It very much meant something, & it still does, but they can't harp on it in *every* story.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:52

That litteraly makes *all the more sense to do that*.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:52

That's like saying TFAWS should not have "harped" onto Steve Rogers' choice to retire and give Sam the shield.

CaptHayfever2026-01-22 07:54

*Sometimes* is not *everytime*.

Lunny17672026-01-22 07:58

?

Yes... thats just that... "sometimes" and not *everytime*

It litteraly makes *all* the more sense to do it *everytime* based on how much they had all grown as not only the public face, but as personal people as well, which is what they all are at the end of the day, *people*.

CaptHayfever2026-01-22 08:07

So you want a tribute to Stark in every single MCU film & show going forward? That sounds repetitive & tedious.

Lunny17672026-01-22 08:24

That legit would make the *most* sense

Lunny17672026-01-22 08:30

Bruddah, no tribute is ever supposed to feel that way.

NicoleIlieva2026-01-22 10:21

Tony's sacrifice still means something. Later stories' multiverse shenanigans don't affect the phase 1-3 story.

And why exactly should this be brought up multiple times? FFH dealt with this, and the following movies and shows had no such connection to Tony. Same as with Yelena dealing with Natasha's sacrifice in the projects only she appears in.

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-22 13:59

You're right, every movie should stop about 45 minutes in, have everyone look at the screen and say:

"This is only possible because of Tony Stark. All Hail his name. Praise Iron Man. Everything else going on in this universe is not nearly important as Tony sacrificing himself for us. What a guy. Anyway, back to this story that had nothing to do with that. We just had to pause to cater to one, admittedly pretty weird, Tony Stark fan"

Lunny17672026-01-22 14:32

When did I say see him as a god...?

I'm saying it litteraly would make the most sense, and be "normal" to tribute him...

Lunny17672026-01-22 14:34

Far From Home and TFAWS more or less "did this" following your preconceived notions.

You gonna say "this was bad"?

Lunny17672026-01-22 14:38

Are you seriously gonna say Thor legit freaking *praying* to his pops... "makes no sense"

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-22 16:15

Bro...take your medicine. Three responses is crazy.

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:17

What the hell does that have to do with what I was saying??

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-22 16:18

Because if you were properly medicated you probably wouldn't have written this at all.

Bored of you. Bye.

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:33

What? Keep my health life out your mouth, please?

"I NEED HELP???"

Litteraly has this sick notion of just seeing people as "fun puppets" rather than people, but on that note, yeah, please go on.

Sir__Will2026-01-22 16:37

> The TVA just feels like sacrifices are kinda just "predictable" now in the mcu, and are BOUND to happen.

...what?

> Think about it, aside from Far From Home, when did *ANYONE* really stop to acknowledge and look at the fact they're even here and alive in the first place because of Tony?

Why should they? Why should that keep being brought up? That would be repetitive and not relevant to the plot. And Tony was hardly the only one who fought or died to save the world.

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:39

1. What do you NOT get? I said what I had said.

2. Because that's LITTERALY what they've all grown to do? I dont get what you do NOT get?

tcain51882026-01-22 16:46

It's spelled "literally" ffs.

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:51

Why. Does. That. Matter. In. This. Case. And. Point.

Spell. Checking?

tcain51882026-01-22 16:52

How old are you?

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:52

Im gonna ask you, once, again.

Why. Does. That. Matter. In. This. Case. And. Point?

tcain51882026-01-22 16:55

Because you have terrible spelling and grammar, extremely poor media literacy, and really weird and incoherent responses.

That would all make sense if you were, say, 14. But if you're a grown adult, then that might have other implications which would compel me to leave this conversation politely.

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:57

What? The hell kinda background check is this for someone who just barged in on my discussion, bringing in stuff that had NOTHING to do with my post at hand?

Yeah, *PLEASE* just leave if you have jack all to contribute to this conversation, smh.

Lunny17672026-01-22 16:58

See what "immature grown adults" can do, one day. Helluva lot better than someone background checking people.

tcain51882026-01-22 17:01

This is another incoherent response.

Is English your first language?