whats your biggest mcu hot take?
mines is that civil war not only is a terrible comic to film adaptations but also a pointless movie and a bad one
if you wanna rag on mines that’s cool but id also like to hear yours
if you wanna rag on mines that’s cool but id also like to hear yours
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and then in infinity war iron man doesn’t ask the government if it’s ok to fight and plus he was gonna ask captain america so the avengers being disbanded eventually didn’t mean shit considering he was just gonna ask for team caps help
and the main reason i think it’s bad is because of the fact that zemo doesn’t even need to be there considering there’s already a conflict with the registration act and him having his own secret plan to break up the avengers doesn’t make any sense considering they were already fighting each other
edit: not even mentioning the fact that there’s like 10 people in total fighting when in the comics there’s hundreds of superhumans fighting
Except it's the reason the avengers were split up and partially the reason they failed to stop Thanos.
>tony lets spider-man run all over nyc and fuck up left and right in the next movie
Uhh, the whole point of that movie was that Peter kept defying Tony's instructions, and Tony had already been overcome with guilt and stopped believing in the accords.
>the accords aren’t mentioned ever again
The avengers were already broken up. And maybe they were mentioned directly (debatable) but the Rhodes was still ordered to arrest Cap and the others in Infinity War..
>plus he was gonna ask captain america so the avengers being disbanded eventually didn’t mean shit considering he was just gonna ask for team caps help
Bro. Again, civil war is the entire reason they were countries apart and resentful toward each other... Dude like, did you even watch the movies? Lol
>and the main reason i think it’s bad is because of the fact that zemo doesn’t even need to be there
He was a massive catalyst! What are you talking about? Lmao. Tony and Cap had agreed to work together again and called a truce in the missile silos. Zemo was the reason they ACTUALLY fought and split up since her revealed Bucky killed his mom.
Brother this take isn't just hot, its boiling. It just disregards half the movie because you didn't understand it.
BUT--as a couple people pointed out--the accords and Zemo are important because they tear open an emotional conflict between Steve and Tony leading into IW. I would argue this is huge, and also that it's something missing in the lead-up to Doomsday.
I don’t want a spy movie grounded in realism. I want outer space, creatures from other dimensions, magic, aliens and pretty much anything that gets me out of my head. Winter Soldier manages to stay in a very contained, generic action film setting that is imo on par with the Bourne movies.
I guess my disagreement is that I don't consider it "grounded in realism" because it has floating aircraft carriers and a guy with a metal arm.
To me there's no real MCU movie "grounded in realism". Matt Reeve's The Batman is more what I think of, and that's still being generous.
All the aliens and galactic adventures though, that’s the fresh stuff I watch for. I’m mostly uninterested if it’s an earth based story that is beyond phase 1.
Thor 2 for example was awesome, because it had little to do with humans other than the final battle taking place on earth.
In the comics, on the hero side there was the illuminati who were unilaterally deciding what steps to take to deal with issues and you can sense some fraction between the members. On the government side there were those tie in issues with Tony initially against the idea. But then the new warriors fought with some villains and a part of a town was nuked and whether Tony was against it or not he knew the government would pass it so he thought if he was in charge it would go down better and the rest is history.
In the movie, I didn't like that it was an international incident that caused it. Maybe the russos didn't want to have a second movie in the row touching on us politics and without the international angle it's harder to tie in black panther.
Tony's motivations were a coincidence as well because if that mother didn't sneak in to talk about her son, then it would be harder to justify why Tony sided with the accords. And the civil war was pretty civil lol. Mans were apologizing and chit chatting during the airport scene and even at the end Tony sided with Cap until he found out about what Bucky did. Most of the impact of the movie happened off screen except for Tony not wanting to go back to earth to face Thanos, whereas in the comics the impact was more felt as this led to secret invasion, dark reign and siege
Agents of SHIELD blows everything out of the water, even after all this time.
However, what I keep coming back to is the fact that almost every major theme in the Infinity Saga is given clarity in Ultron. Like without Ultron, Tony and Steve's endings in Endgame don't make sense.
People were harsh on it because it didn't have a good overarching story to keep you interested in all the paint-by-numbers origin stories and filler sequels, and also because Phase 3 was above-average and lasted an entire Prez administration.
That said, they learned the wrong lesson and tried to force a story around a big bad--instead organically-grown subplots built over sequels and crossovers. Also Phase 5 is genuinely pretty bad.
there’s 5-7 movies with 2 of them being actually great and the rest ranging from average to dogshit
phase 3 just happened to have 2 of the biggest blockbusters in history so people forget how average it is
Robert Downey Jr. does a very good job, but I think a lot of other actors could have done it just as well.
and rdj is essentially just playing himself and is doing a good job at it but he isn’t playing the character iron man
Captain America could have been played by most any tall, white buff dude. The guy who is Reacher could have done just as good a job. Evans did a good job with the wholesome “I just want to help make the world a better place” character, but by no means was it the hardest role to play. Bucky is a much more complex and difficult character to portray.
If they just cast a buff dude as Cap, the character would have tanked. He was already mocked going into things for just being a boring boy scout who always does the right thing. Evans was able to bring the heart and pathos necessary to make people care about the character and feel the depth he could offer. And I'm someone who mocked the casting when it was announced.
BUT! Look at the reaction to Rhodey and you see people talking about “so all that character growth and those moments were fake?” The answer is yes, and that’s what is tragic about it. The characters you grew to love and who had powerful moments were fake. Modern audiences hate that. It works in comics where readers understand what they are seeing can and will get retconned. Movies don’t have that going for them.
Then Far From Home was abysmal as the first post Endgame movie. The world should have been in shambles after everyone returned as that would have been cataclysmic to a world that would have ramped down production. Yet we got nothing from it.
I will give credit to MCU Spidey for being the sole property both comics or movies that depicted a realistic aged Aunt May as the aunt of a high schooler would 40 or 50 something rather than a elderly senior citizen
and they just change shit up for the sake of changing shit and then on top of that his villains have beef with iron man and the other spider-men
the literally have to do multiversal brain erasure just to make him a regular fucking spider-man
Edit: just in case this clarifies things, I’ve always thought of the multiverse saga as a giant time loop. Before Jonathan Majors was fired, I thought we were visiting this iteration of the loop because this is the iteration that finally breaks the loop (by removing Kang/HWR from power). Now, I think we’re just viewing an iteration of the loop and that the loop will complete with a HWR variant on the throne at the end of time (and that that variant will be Iron Lad).
People view the Infinity saga with rose-tinted glasses (which is understandable, I adore it too), but if we’re being real is something like She-Hulk or Ms Marvel *really* worse than The Dark World or Iron Man 2? The Infinity saga had plenty of entries that people would be quick to write off as “mid” or “slop” these days, but those movies are given more slack because Marvel managed to stick the landing so hard with the Avengers movies.
I am almost certain that as long as the MCU can stick the landing with DD/SW, then we’ll start to see people be more forgiving to many of the Multiverse saga projects in hindsight. I also think that if you look at the Infinity Saga vs Multiverse saga proportionally (since there are so many more total projects in the MS), then the ratio of amazing/solid/average/bad projects is actually pretty similar.
The Multiverse saga has also done some things that I genuinely adore, despite its missteps and misfortunes (COVID, Chadwick, and Majors).
The MCU still has a pretty much unbroken casting streak. I absolutely love a lot of the new characters we’ve gotten in recent years and the actors selected to play them. Kate Bishop, Yelena, Shang-Chi, Ms. Marvel, Spectrum, Agatha, Werewolf by Night, Man-Thing, Elsa Bloodstone, America Chavez, She-Hulk, Moon Knight, etc.
I LOVE the fact that they’ve started experimenting with holiday specials and I want more of them. Spider-Man Valentine’s special, F4 Thanksgiving special, Captain America 4th of July special, etc.
I love the fact that they’re really expanding the supernatural side of the universe finally, since I’m a sucker for all things spooky.
This doesn’t mean that there aren’t valid things to critique about it and I personally am disappointed that it took so long to get meaningful connective tissue when they set up so many obvious crossover threads (Midnight Sons, Young Avengers, etc.).
Had they not been so concerned with the overall saga, directors could also have been allowed to make the movies they wanted instead of quality-controlled widgets cranking off an assembly line.
at first it was cool when other movies were just mentioned in offshoot lines and whatnot but everything now is a team up, has 5 other marvel characters or sets up a spinoff movie or show
it’s even worse that the avengers are just treated as the crossover movie when it should be how the x men or f4 movies are treated
I could go *on and on.*
Took me 2 or 3 watches to get all the way through it. It’s just another Bourne/modern Bond spy action movie.
The Marvels is a damn fun and pretty good movie. I also hope all three leads are eventually back for Doomsday and/or Secret Wars.
I think people had expected a lot and were disappointed when they didn’t get it. By that I mean all the supposed leaks and rumors
I see this movie as a sequel to Wandavision which I also really liked
This fanbase puts too much focus on what these movies are "building up to." The big payoff at the end is supposed to be a fun culmination of everything that has happened. It's not supposed to be a black cloud of expectation that every single movie they make is plagued by.
Also, Eternals didn't need to be a show, it's great as it is.
Thor 1 is a better written film that Thor 3 is and the one thing Thor 3 has going for it that Thor 1 doesn't have is that Thor is a better written character in that film.
Iron Man 2 is the best Iron Man film.
Thor Ragnarok is overrated.