Why is this Venom 3 scene different in Spiderman No Way Home?

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So at the end of NWH, Eddie gets sent back to his universe like the other villains do. But at the start of The Last Dance, Eddie gets sucked through a knull-like portal. Can anyone explain this to me?

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Gorguf622026-01-19 22:07

Because Sony doesn't understand continuity. They screwed up the spell in Morbius too.

SlumdogSkillionaire2026-01-19 22:13

Has to do with Spider-man, I think.

Goldman2502026-01-19 22:36

Intriguing.

BigCopperPipe2026-01-19 23:06

That line is so funny, the writers are pathetic. Why would he think that?

rednaxthecreature2026-01-20 03:10

Because Spider-Man is the reason he is there duh

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 08:49

That's not it. In Spider-Man: No Way Home, the movie established that Dr. Strange's spell was only to send non-MCU characters back to their respective universes but in Morbius, Vulture was somehow affected which totally makes no sense because Vulture is MCU character. By right, Vulture should not be affected.

rednaxthecreature2026-01-20 09:19

I was joking should have out /s

cgcs202026-01-20 11:24

Perfectly sums up Sony’s universe 🤣 Sounds like a placeholder line that never got updated or removed 🤣🤣

MajorNoodles2026-01-20 03:26

And somehow he manages to get his exact same vulture suit despite the fact that neither the guy who built it nor the alien technology he built it from exist in that universe.

My favorite part was when Michael Keaton did an interview and said he didn't understand it either.

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 08:50

Morbius's director, Daniel Espinosa, just said that he is resourceful. Which is a lazy answer.

Thomas_JCG2026-01-20 11:19

There is no resourcefulness in the world that can replicate alien tech, specially for a guy that has zero money or even a valid ID. It's not just a lazy answer, it's insulting.

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 11:24

As of today, Marvel Studios have yet to address Vulture's fate in the SSU. Best outcome for them is to treat it as non-canon and Vulture still remain in his prison.

Thomas_JCG2026-01-20 11:32

Oh, it absolutely is non-canon, why would they even bother to respect a dead end movie that they don't have the rights to?

juances192026-01-19 22:11

Sony put the scenes in for clout basically. Like expecting word of mouth that everything is tied to the more popular MCU would make the movies go viral or something.

It just wasn't really well thought out, the writers probably threw it in last second because the higher ups kept yelling about it.

superfudge732026-01-20 02:24

How are these Venom movies soooo bad? I love Tom Hardy but it seems like the Venom movies are made exclusively for tweens. Like all marvel movies have those elements that are kind of cheesy because kids make up a huge percentage of the box office however they mostly manage to make it appeal to adults as well and therefore the cheesiness is balanced out by mature themes.

I had never seen a venom movie and the latest one was on streaming so I decided to watch them all one afternoon a couple months ago. The dialogue absolutely middle school level lols especially Venoms dialogue with Eddie just cringed me out so much. I don’t understand how Sony managed to fuck this up so bad.

Full disclosure I knew almost nothing about Venom going in.

Technical-Fly-98962026-01-20 05:40

The first 2s were bearable, Last Dance tho, that movie was a fcking shitshow

YesImHereAskMeHow2026-01-20 06:08

The 1st was bearable. The second was a flaming pile of dog shit doused with ass piss

Technical-Fly-98962026-01-20 06:10

3rd is way worse than 2nd imho

TR23x2026-01-20 06:11

I would even say the first one is decent-ish, completely agree on the second

superfudge732026-01-20 22:38

Origin stories are always easier to write than sequels. Take the first iron man movie vs the IM 2 and 3 which are some of the worst MCU movies. Same with Ant Man. There are some exceptions like Thor Ragnarok being the 3rd and best Thor movie.

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 09:35

>I don’t understand how Sony managed to fuck this up so bad.

Your mistake here is assuming Sony would put in some effort. They don't. Sony doesn't give a damn about it. After they agreed to share the movie rights with Marvel Studios to bring Spider-Man along with his characters and villains to the MCU, Sony decided to make their own shared universe featuring Spider-Man's rogue gallery called Sony's Spider-Man Universe (SSU) because 1) they do not want to completely rely on Marvel Studios to make Spider-Man movies and 2) while on paper that they were hoping to have a future crossover between SSU and MCU, but the real answer is to keep the movie rights to Spider-Man away from Marvel Studios regardless if they movies they made suck balls or not.

Not only SSU does not having a leading producers like Kevin Feige for MCU and James Gunn & Peter Safran for DCU, SSU is similar to DCEU but arguably worst as Sony does not have any long term plans for SSU, their creative decisions and directions made by their executives are terrible and no one at Sony keep track of what's going on in the story of SSU. For whatever reasons, Venom and Morbius shared the same Earth but Madame Web is set in another Earth while it is unknown which Earth did Kraven the Hunter set in. Basically, Sony have no idea what they are doing but as long as they keep making their Marvel movies (SSU or not) regardless the quality and box office success, they don't have to worry about losing Spider-Man movie rights so soon. However due to Morbius, Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter did badly in reviews and box office bombs, SSU is done and likely they will focus on Spider-Verse movies for now.

UnknownAverage2026-01-21 13:19

I own Venom 2 but haven’t watched it because every time I try, that cheesy Woody Harrelson face on the cover makes me reconsider.

Caciulacdlac2026-01-19 22:14

The Last Dance isn't canon

Sylar_Lives2026-01-19 22:30

It is through the multiverse

Caciulacdlac2026-01-19 22:37

It's not canon to the MCU unless it's being referenced by the MCU (or by another movie referenced by the MCU)

Sylar_Lives2026-01-19 22:51

That’s just not your say now is it. Venom existing in NWH directly connects it.

Caciulacdlac2026-01-19 22:53

It connects the first two movies, not the third. And yeah, it's not my say, but it's not Sony's either.

Realistic_Analyst_262026-01-19 23:00

Excuse me? What are you on about?

Caciulacdlac2026-01-19 23:02

So No Way Home references the second Venom movie. This makes Venom 2 canon. In turn, it also makes Venom 1 canon because Venom 2 references it. But MCU never referenced Venom 3, which makes it not canon.

eagc72026-01-19 22:16

Venom 3 wasn't made by Marvel Studios, so they didn't cared.

I mean we even saw in Morbius that they didn't cared about staying consistent when the Spider-Man spell misplaced Vulture into the SSU, when that's not how it worked, it should be people from other worlds coming into the MCU, not people from the MCU getting stranded elsewhere

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 11:00

Michael Keaton who cameoed in Morbius as MCU Vulture had no idea what is going on and none of the production crews are able to properly explained it to him.

repalec2026-01-19 22:23

Because Sony wanted the clout and to look like these movies take place in the MCU without them actually being in it. It's the same way they had Michael Keaton's Vulture show up at the end of one of their movies talking about how he got sent to this world despite that not being how the Strange spell worked.

UltHamBro2026-01-20 23:57

It seems that they, at some point, were going to be set in the actual MCU. The Morbius trailer had an entirely different version of his encounter with the Vulture and a Spider-Man graffiti that seemed to build on Far From Home.

repalec2026-01-20 23:59

They weren't, it was Sony trying to huff the MCU's farts again. The Spider-Man graffiti was a placeholder (I hope, at least) using the Tobey suit (IIRC) for example.

UltHamBro2026-01-21 00:23

But the scenes with Michael Keaton were shot.

repalec2026-01-21 01:45

Yes, because Sony wanted people to believe the Spider-Man villain universe films were connected somehow to the MCU when they weren't. Evidently it appears to have worked.

Player2LightWater2026-01-21 04:19

That scenes with Keaton from the trailer also never ended up in the final product. In the final product itself, Keaton's scene is relegated to post credit scene. Marvel Studios had no involvement in SSU movies. It was Sony's decision to have Vulture into the SSU.

Sony is the one who decided to do the SSU because they do not want to completely rely on Marvel Studios to make Spider-Man movies and to keep the movie rights to Spider-Man away from Marvel Studios regardless if they movies they made suck balls or not.

Player2LightWater2026-01-21 04:16

IIRC, the Spider-Man graffiti and the use of Tobey's suit was added under the orders of Sony execs without the director's knowledge.

Adamantium-Tamer1012026-01-19 22:30

Sony could have done soo much for Venom.

And it had soo much potential man.

We could have something generational with him and spiderman, kraven, madam web and etc characters from the spidey verse.

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 11:28

Big mistake to say that Sony would do that. No, they don't. Sony doesn't give a damn about it. Sony chose to make their own shared universe featuring Spider-Man's rogue gallery called Sony's Spider-Man Universe (SSU) were only because 1) they do not want to completely rely on Marvel Studios to make Spider-Man movies and 2) while on paper that they were hoping to have a future crossover between SSU and MCU, but the real answer is to keep the movie rights to Spider-Man away from Marvel Studios regardless if they movies they made suck balls or not.

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uncreativemind20992026-01-19 23:15

Marvel made Sony retcon the whole thing

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 11:09

No. They don't. It's Sony own fuckery.

TimFL2026-01-19 23:17

Marvel is not directly involved with most Sony Pictures after credits scenes, it‘s just Sony trying to inch closer to making their slop MCU related. Feige and co. probably didn‘t approve of said scenes and can just ignore them.

DanFarrell982026-01-19 23:22

Multiverse is crazy idk

marioxb2026-01-20 00:03

Best explanation to make everything fit is that the scene happened in both the Sony and MCU universes, meaning there was a piece of Venom left behind in both universes.

For Vulture in Morbius, my take is that ALL of the villains (that knew who Spider-Man was) accidently got sent to the Sony universe along with Venom. Vulture, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Lizard, Sandman, Electro. Actually, that's the only way the Toby and Andrew universes can go back to how they originally were, if the bad guys aren't suddenly alive again. Well, maybe Sandman and Lizard can stay, as they didn't die.

Hopefully one or both of these theories is explored in Brand New Day.

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 11:21

>For Vulture in Morbius, my take is that ALL of the villains (that knew who Spider-Man was) accidently got sent to the Sony universe along with Venom. Vulture, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Lizard, Sandman, Electro.

The whole thing makes no sense because Vulture is native to the MCU while the others are not. Dr. Strange spell is meant to sent those characters who enter the MCU back to their respective universes which by right, Vulture should not be affected. Until today, Marvel Studios have yet to address this issue.

>Hopefully one or both of these theories is explored in Brand New Day.

Considering Sony ended the SSU, I doubt anyone from that universe will show up again and Marvel Studios will just treat SSU Venom as some random guy from another universe.

skronk612026-01-20 01:16

The venom movies are bad fan fiction

ProudTexan18362026-01-20 05:56

You guys do realize the entire plot of Venom 3 is Venom leaving goo everywhere he goes... right?

They set up the plot in NHW by showing him leaving goo at the MCU's bar and when he returns to the SSU he also leaves goo there.

It's different pieces of goo at the bar in two different universes

(I'm more so replying to comments talking about the goo and Vulture rather than the post itself because most comments seem to be talking about the Goo and Vulture.)

Also on the Vulture point it's clear it's Marvel Studios doing.

They're setting up incursions for Doomsday or Secret Wars

Photon in X-Men universe and Vulture in SSU

Jenkes_of_Wolverton2026-01-20 10:38

And there's a ton of incursions that happened in the Miles Morales animated movies, which IMO wouldn't have happened without proper planning and permission from the people at MCU.

Player2LightWater2026-01-20 11:35

>Also on the Vulture point it's clear it's Marvel Studios doing.

If you are talking about Vulture in Morbius' movie, that's Sony's doing, not Marvel Studios. Sony fucked up the lore set up by Spider-Man: No Way Home which stated that Dr. Strange's spell is meant to return non-MCU characters back to their respective universes and Vulture shouldn't have been affected at all since he is from the MCU. Even Michael Keaton who played Vulture had no idea what's going on and the production crews of Morbius cannot even provide a proper explanation.

All of the SSU movies (not counting the scene where Venom ended up in the MCU in Venom 2) were made entirely by Sony. Marvel Studios had no hands in creating the SSU. Sony creating the SSU was just to keep Spider-Man movie rights away from Marvel Studios.

MrFiendish2026-01-20 06:51

I hate that they tried to make Venom stand-alone. The character only works as a foil against Spiderman, he’s not a good character without him. Just an edgy, gore laden bad guy.

scattered_brains2026-01-20 19:04

try reading comics

MrFiendish2026-01-21 03:48

I’ve probably read more comics than you ever have.

tehCharo2026-01-21 02:24

He hasn't been against Spider-Man in decades, they work together more often than not.

MrFiendish2026-01-21 03:48

The only interesting story featuring venom was Agent Venom, which only worked because of Flash’s dynamic.

BitFiesty2026-01-20 11:14

I just want to rant because I finished the movie after trying to watch it over the last three days. this is one of the first things I remember and was confused but I knew I was in for a ride. This is by far might have been the worst movie I have ever seen. There is no redeeming qualities . Every actor was bad. Every scene was bad. Every interaction and dialogue was so corny and felt like it was just thrown together by different people. I thought they were doing a voice over for that girl scientist. The fucking hippie dad breaking into Area 51? The fucking codex in venom because he saved Brock from dying? That stupid casino scene, the fucking cashier lady now rich. Fuck them for having that scene where the bartender walks out of a cave for no reasons and there is no plot development. And fuck knull, this movie makes me hope he is never brought back. I fucking hated that movie, skipped around until I saw the fight scenes only and still was disappointed. I am so happy venom fucking died so this trilogy is over

Thomas_JCG2026-01-20 11:19

Because Sony is dumb.

Sirmalta2026-01-20 15:15

Because its a bad movie and Sony thinks youre an idiot and wont know the difference.

Local-Insurance-91362026-01-21 03:56

I know I've seen Venom 3 a couple times, but honestly can't remember it.

LaylaLegion2026-01-21 17:55

Because it’s not canon. Just Sony trying to shove its dick into the MCU without consent.