Would you be cool with a mulligan of Love & Thunder?

I recently re-read the comic arc and its one of my favorites ever. Incredible world/universe building, storytelling, power display, character building, etc. Jason Aaron created a true masterpiece.

L&T was a trainwreck for a number of reasons, and it doesn't feel *just* that we got that Taika Waititi abomination and now that's the legacy of Gorr: The God Butcher in the MCU, forever. Its a crime, really. It just feels wrong and like an unprecedented waste of potential.

How would you feel about the MCU simply taking a mulligan and allowing another filmmaker to re-create the story properly?

Would the MCU fanbase be able to, collectively, pretend L&T didn't exist and commit to supporting a new version of the film?

Hypothetically, of course.

But not really.

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Safe-Finding-43762026-01-19 03:13

How about no, Scott? It wasnt a trainwreck and nobody needs their ego stroked so much to remake the film again.

kiddfrank2026-01-19 03:18

Imagine thinking they should remake a movie just bc you didn’t like it

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-19 03:23

Right. This is the definition of fan entitlement.

EugenesMullet2026-01-19 03:13

Nah, it’s already done. Just keep it moving for now.

It sucks that we got what we got, but I don’t want a retread, and I don’t think they’d do that. Much more likely to just retcon stuff.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:22

You wouldn't be hyped for a proper Gorr movie?

EugenesMullet2026-01-19 03:26

Not saying I wouldn’t! It just wouldn’t make sense now that they’ve already done it in this version of the MCU.

If they reboot things down the line I’m more open to seeing it tried again, but I’d still want it to be vastly different and not repeating the plot points of L&T.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:29

I hear you, but not repeating the plot points of L&T would be as simple as telling the comic book version. It was an entirely different story in many ways. L&T was related to the comic story in name only.

MisterGoldiloxx2026-01-19 03:13

Taika Waititi should be standing trial for crimes against humanity. No, I am not kidding.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:21

A section of the Geneva Convention should be dedicated to Taika Waititi.

Popular_Material_4092026-01-19 03:23

Just because he made one bad movie?

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:24

As long as we're shit talking on reddit, sure.

bunchofclowns2026-01-19 03:37

It's weird though. Ragnarok wouldn't have been anywhere near as good with a different director and that's what led Disney to greenlight a fourth movie. So this movie would never happen in any form without Taika Waititi 🤔

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:42

Maybe so. I didn't love Ragnarok either but it was definitely a much better film. I think all the humor in it was a soft launch for what Taika really wanted to do, which was make a MCU-sponsored SNL sketch.

When he saw the reception to Ragnarok he probably rubbed his hands together like Zorak.

Safe-Finding-43762026-01-19 03:25

Talk about overdramatic. Oh no the movie wasnt for me therefore the director should be standing trial wtf

super_sayanything2026-01-19 03:43

These are just cruel and gross. If they're going to say something horrific, it better at least be funny lol.

HighwayBrigand2026-01-19 03:16

Sure. It's not my money.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:23

That's the right attitude.

UpsetDrakeBot2026-01-19 03:16

All it needed was less humor and higher stakes or at least show the stakes

We got no god killing on screen, and I feel like Bale would've been ok with the prosthetics

Show us how the necrosword morphed him over time and then the final battle give us the comic accurate look, tendrils and all

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:23

We got a lot of what we didn't need and very little of what we did.

Antrikshy2026-01-22 00:23

I just wish they didn't try to fit Jane's cancer story with all the humor. The tonal whiplash was crazy.

My biggest complaint is how they completely skipped over her initial transformation.

UpsetDrakeBot2026-01-22 03:25

Yeah tried to fit too many things altogether

richard-5642026-01-25 21:23

As someone who knows a lot of cancer survivors or people that died of cancer, they all had similar dark humor like that. Seemed pretty normal to me. I know not everyone was like that, but I really connected with it in that way, and so did the cancer survivor friends that saw it.

richard-5642026-01-25 21:21

I get why they didn't use it. He would've looked like a mashup of the Togruta from star wars and Voldemert onscreen.

FewWatermelonlesson02026-01-19 03:22

No. Fans need to learn to just let it go when a movie is bad. The idea of a redo is how we get shit like the Conformitygate nonsense.

delcolicks92026-01-19 03:22

Honestly I'd be down for it post secret-wars reboot, I mean there's precedent with Ayer's suicide squad (2016) and Gunn's The Suicide Squad. Slightly different circumstance but again post-reboot and a few more years I don't see why not.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:24

There we go.

niicofrank2026-01-19 03:36

There won’t be a reboot after SW and you guys need to stop acting as though there will be

delcolicks92026-01-19 03:46

Okay maybe "reboot" isn't the right word, but universes (x-men, and f4 specifically at least) will be consolidated into the MCU 616 retroactively, kevin feige said so himself with a huge interviewer sit-down, I believe he used the term "soft reset"? Also literally what is the point of Secret Wars if not that. He said some characters would be recast and everything like- I feel like it's more bizarre to act like there won't be a massive timeline adjustment, how do you imagine secret wars ends? Just completely back to how it was, where are the stakes in that? Genuinely puzzled by this.

I'm not saying they'll ditch all the multiverse saga characters and start over with a recast 6 avengers or bring all the OG 6 back, If that's what you're assuming. I love about 70% of the new stuff and like the rest besides maybe thor 4 and secret invasion which I still see some good in. I want these stories to continue.

richard-5642026-01-23 17:32

If you watched the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover on the CW, they combined all the CW universes (Supergirl and Black Lightning were in separate universes beforehand), the Adam West/Burt Ward universe, the Lucifer universe, the 90s Flash universe, and many other universes into one at the end, which I assume the MCU will do something similar. We never got to see that combined universe in action though, since the CW cancelled the whole thing shortly after, but I assume the MCU reset will be something like that, where all the main universes combine and everything is canon for the most part, especially character development.

richard-5642026-01-25 21:25

The Suicide Squad wasn't a reboot, it was a soft sequel. Based on Harley and Boomerang and Flagg's interactions, the first movie happened, they just didn't recognize it directly since it was received so poorly.

The MCU won't reboot, they'll most likely just consolidate universe like the Crisis on Infinite Earth crossovers in the Arrowverse.

delcolicks92026-01-19 03:23

Hope they do the same with secret invasion too

HowardBunnyColvin2026-01-19 03:25

It exists even though it was a failure and we cannot retcon or revise it

we must accept what happened

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:30

Can we fantasize about it while we browse public forums?

Antrikshy2026-01-22 00:18

Agreed. Same with Secret Invasion. Come up with in-story excuses to reset its events, *if desired*. That's the fun of a shared universe, working within the boundaries created along the way.

InfinityYoRae2026-01-19 03:26

Na, I mean L&T wasn’t perfect but it doesn’t need a redo… the only live-action Marvel property I think should be given a second chance at a better execution (with the original attempt being disregarded) is Inhumans, tbh.

PLZ_N_THKS2026-01-19 03:31

L&T didnt even have space sharks! That like 100% something that screams Taika Waititi.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:33

You know he wanted them.

PLZ_N_THKS2026-01-19 06:46

But if he wanted then why didn’t he use them?

SundBunz642026-01-19 06:16

No, but it did have space dolphins.

throwtheclownaway202026-01-19 03:32

I really hate WB for kowtowing to Snyderbros and ensuring that we'll have to sit through these kinds of posts *every goddamn time* so much as one person doesn't like a capeshit film until the end of fucking time.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:34

You're awfully dramatic for someone who could have scrolled past this in 0.02 seconds. Maybe you enjoy being upset.

niicofrank2026-01-19 03:41

I mean you’re the one who made a post complaining about a near 4 year old movie instead of just leaving it in the past if you hate it that much

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:46

What's your point?

All the Internet is is complaining about stuff.

AlternativeResort4772026-01-19 03:33

I’m perfectly fine with it the way it is, honestly

niicofrank2026-01-19 03:37

they’re not going to do this because it would be admitting defeat and the last thing fans need to is to feel more emboldened about their loud negative opinions

also it’s just a waste of resources. It didn’t work when Fox took another swing at dark phoenix and definitely wouldn’t work with this. Just do one last Thor movie and take it seriously would get you to the same outcome

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:44

Think we'll ever get Hercules or will they just ignore it like DCU ignored Superman vs Black Adam?

BeastCreatureTrapper2026-01-19 03:42

No. Art is about the subjective experience of each and every individual. While some diehard comic book fans are unhappy with the romantic dramedy approach taken with Love and Thunder, the reality is that the film has a positive audience score, has set franchise records with repeat box office business, and is generally well-received by the majority of those who've seen it.

If you want the grittier, more somber approach to the Gorr storyline, the books are still on your shelf.

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:44

Your take is fair and balanced, and more importantly, rooted in reality.

I must still reject it for the sake of this thread and my own wants.

richard-5642026-01-25 21:20

I personally loved it, and don't any irl that didn't love it. It wasn't as good as Ragnarok, but still a fun movie. As someone who has lost many loved ones to cancer, who all had dark humor about it until the end, I wish they had been alive to see it.

superchronics2026-01-19 03:44

I feel you. The comic run is just too good to have led to the movie we got. Add on top of it that Christian bale was cast as Gorr, and it leaves me with no words to properly share my feelings on what could have been

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 03:49

Its such a waste. Like recreating a Rembrandt but doing it with finger paint by a preschooler.

richard-5642026-01-23 17:25

Blame studio execs that were fired later, that wanted a more lighthearted moving so close to MoM, and also wanted a movie under two hours in order to get more summer showings right after covid.

Bale himself said they filmed way more scenes that would have been considered R-rated with how terrifying his character was in them, and also a ton of god-butchering scenes that were shot, including Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey and Jeff Goldblum dying. If fact, I think the only one of these scenes Taika actually wanted to cut was the Goldblum death scene, bc he didn't want to kill off his character. Most of the other cuts seem to be studio interference. There's a reason the movie is just seconds under 2 hours, when it was supposed to be closer to 2 hrs 20 minutes. Shaving off those 20 minutes gets one extra theatre showing per day, which was all the execs cared about.

Toshimoko292026-01-19 03:52

Reddit dislikes that movie a lot more than everyone else. I was very happy with it, my whole group enjoyed it. Even assuming that wanting to completely remake a movie wasn’t terribly disrespectful to the people who made it, I also think you could start with a movie that didn’t have a mid-70s rotten tomatoes score that made over 3/4 billion dollars.

richard-5642026-01-23 17:29

I agree. Me and my gf have watched the movie multiple times, and really enjoyed it both times we saw it in theatres. I don't really know anyone in real life that didn't enjoy it. Worst criticism I've heard was that it wasn't as good as Ragnarok, which is fair.

SliderGamer552026-01-19 04:22

Not really?

I mean, in the distance future when Marvel finds an excuse to...I dunno, reboot with a movie version of the Ultimate universe or something, sure. But now? Nah. There is not enough demand for such a thing to justify it, when its not even the biggest abomination in the MCU (both in terms of overall movie quality and how a character or story was treated).

gabbertronnnn2026-01-19 04:37

A lot of ya'll are really weird about this movie. Shit, its not even the worst Thor movie out of the lot.

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-19 08:22

They don't wanna hear that though

richard-5642026-01-23 17:20

I agree. It could have been darker, but they handled most of it well.

canttakethisnomore12026-01-19 06:02

No i was really disappointed with the movie. :/

Commercial-Pair-89322026-01-19 06:06

Me too bro. Me too.

We can dream, can't we?

Razorspades2026-01-19 06:21

If they didnt mulligan Dark World they won't mulligan this.

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-19 08:29

I like this movie a lot. There's a lot I like about it. One of those things is how worked up the internet gets over it.

Also, just to stir the pot a bit more. Gorr had one, admittedly very good storyline. That's it. He's not a big deal within the lore, he's not one of Thor's better known rogues. He's a one story character. No one gives a shit about him outside of a very small margin of fans.

powellbeast2026-01-20 20:03

Nah, it was fine

richard-5642026-01-23 17:20

Nah. I wouldn't mind Gorr somehow coming back, even as a variant, but I don't see that happening, unless it's flashbacks, but I doubt Bale would come back unless he was a main villain again.

Would you be cool with a mulligan of Love &amp; Thunder?

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Would you be cool with a mulligan of Love & Thunder?