Namor and Wakanda would have lost

Been rewatching parts of Wakanda Forever and I realized even if Namor and Wakanda joined forces they would have lost to the surface world.

Think about it the surface world at the time had the wizards (less but still had many) the Asgardians (in new Asgard) the aliens from the war world, the left over super heroes, captain marvel probably would have returned, shang chi and the ten rings (and the people from that area as well, can't remember the name), and all the other super heroes.

So just pointing out more than likely Namor and the Wakanda's would have most likely lost the war.

God bless everyone.

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natedog632026-01-16 00:30

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Heavy-Comment-25862026-01-16 00:33

True. Especially since all of Namor's people are superhuman.

The_Celtic_Chemist2026-01-16 00:44

I always assumed this was the case for Asgardians too.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:15

It is all Asgardians have superhuman strength.

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bigbrainnowisdom2026-01-16 00:57

Asgardians wont care unless it really affect them. Heck no one cares if they only focus on africa continent.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:16

They most likely wouldn't though he seemed like he would basically declare war on all surface dwellers.

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Zectherian2026-01-16 00:38

Any city on a coast would just be gone. Like instantly.

It would be like an invasion of winter soldiers, also namor can control the sea with his trident.

Sooo tsunamis world wide and armys crawling out of the sea all over the planet, ontop of the surface losing access to all ships,subs, carriers.

Its not easy, the surface would have to nuke like.... the whole ocean.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:17

Not sure if he can fully control the sea with his trident (like in the movies I mean). However the Asgardians are superhuman as well and they live on the coast so I think Namor's people would find it rather tough.

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eucldian2026-01-16 00:39

Wakanda and Talokan would have basically fucked up the world before anyone could react.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:24

But once the reaction came I believe they would lose to superheroes, Asgardians, and whatever aliens may come and help the surface world (Skrulls and what not). Also Captain Marvel and if Sentry got his powers back.

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eucldian2026-01-16 23:27

Sure, at that point the world is already pooched though.

You are also assuming no one else would side with Talokan and Wakanda.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:32

I don't think most of it would have been. Once again it's about numbers, Wakanda and Talokan compared to the world population (especially after endgame a good chunk of the army was Wakandan) is pretty small, so I think they would have just eventually lost the numbers battle and some sort of treaty would have had to be made.

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eucldian2026-01-16 23:33

Except the Talokans are basically ALL superhuman.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-17 00:04

Like the Asgardians (As Shown in Agents of Shield)

eucldian2026-01-17 00:05

Ain't that many Asgardians left, certainly vastly outnumbered by the Talokans.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-18 05:59

The point though is how much assets Earth has compared to the Wakondans and the Talokans. Like even the freindly Skrulls (and the super Skrull) and possible alien help.

juances192026-01-16 01:41

IMO even if the surface repels an invasion, they'll go back into hiding, rebuild and try again later.

Because what's the alternative otherwise? nuke the oceans and let the surface be devastated by tsunamis and contaminated water?

matty_nice2026-01-16 05:56

Seems like a negotiation would have been needed, with the surface world surrendering and coming to some kind of agreement.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:25

I think more the other way around, with Wakanda and Talokan surrendering.

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Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:26

If that happend the heroes would just go to Talokan and pretty much decimate it and if they did that and got all the vibranium then they have a shot against Wakanda I believe, or some kind of treaty would be reached.

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rayden-shou2026-01-16 02:20

For most countries, their capitals or their most important cities are on their coasts. Anything that was beyond Talokan's reach, Wakanda could have taken care of immediately after.

Not to mention that their capitals are also effectively untouchable by the rest of the world.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:28

Don't think so. Once the heroes and Asgardians, and even alien allies got involved I think most of the Talokan forces would be decimated (especially since they would be weak on land. Eventually Wadanda would have to retreat as well I believe.

Once the surface world found out they were weak to sound (the Talokians) I think it would pretty much be over for them.

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rayden-shou2026-01-16 23:32

Talokians can go hand on hand with the Asgardians, or even negotiate with them. Namor hated the world of men, not them.

Shuri knew Namor wasn't exaggerating, they would devastate the world.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-17 00:05

Namor hated the Surface world, I believe he only was trying to make peace with Wakanda because he knew he didn't stand a chance without them.

huggybeark2026-01-16 03:13

The mundane surface world is pretty much destroyed the instant Wakanda+Talokan decide to attack. We've seen that they have the stealth and means to pretty much destroy any given location around the world at will.

We see the Dora MIlaje pack up Bucky, Sam, and John Walker. The black panther suit was the only thing that saved Killmonger (elite supersoldier) from three Dora defeating him. The Dora Milaje are considered the most elite fighting force on earth. The Talokanil warriors are that with super soldier strength added. I think basically all the street/military-level superheroes are beaten by them.

So then the real question is can they deal with Hulk/Strange/Capt. Marvel/Wanda/Valkyrie/Thor. This really comes down to their tech hax. All of the Dora Milaje could get the new synthetic heart-shaped herb alongside the the most advanced Ironman tech. Shuri's AI griot could be uploaded to a series of synthetic bodies as advanced and powerful as Ultron. These are just tools that we know the Wakandans have at their potential disposal. Shuri with prep time could probably come up with ways to neutralize a lot of these threats.

EDIT: I think it's not outside the realm of possibility to say that Shuri could either access and reverse engineer OR recreate herself: Pym Particles (Cross pretty much did it), the Gamma Mutate formula (the Leader did it from a prison cell), the Sentry experiments (how well did Val actually cover her tracks?), and pretty much everything in SHIELD/SWORD/HYDRA databases.

Feedingfrenzy912026-01-16 23:23

Also the Asgardians on earth. Remember all Asgardians have superhuman strength (as showed in Agents of shield).

Also I doubt Iron Heart would share her Ironman tech if they went to war against the surface world.

Then there is the Iron Legion (assuming it's still around even after tony's death. Ant Man, the new Avengers and what not. Also it seems like there are only a few thousand Talokanians so once a good chunk of them die (either to superheroes or soldiers) there wouldn't be much back up.

They are also very sensitive to sound (as shown in the movie) so I think the soldiers would take advantage of that very quickly.

Overall with all the resources a combined surface world has (both domestic and alien) I think they would still win over Wakanda and Talokan.

God bless you.