I've been thinking about endgame...

Why did they need to get all 6 stones during the time heist? Couldn't they have obtained the time stone and then returned to the garden? If they went back to when Thanos snapped the second time and simply used their stone to reverse that snap after killing Thanos in his weakened state they could have saved some time. Maybe I need to go to sleep just a thought.

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natedog632026-01-15 04:43

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Eggman26922026-01-15 04:46

my exact thoughts

BZenMojo2026-01-15 20:27

The problem is that the Russos then turned around, ignored Markus/McFeely's script, and said Captain America traveled back to his original timeline. You basically have to ignore the Russos for the story to make sense.

Morgoth18142026-01-15 04:50

Banner and the Rousso Brothers explained this. Changing the past creates a branched timeline, so there’s be an additional timeline, but the main timeline remains the sane. So had they went back and stopped Thanos, they’d just create an additional timeline where Thanos was stopped in 2018, but the main timeline would’ve remained the same.

Obviously things changed after the Loki show but the events of Loki was obviously post End Game so we have to go by this theory.

rex1one2026-01-15 04:59

Plus, Dr Strange movie showed that using the time stone to change the past risks breaking time.

Making a small change (like reviving vision) that doesn't really change anything is fine.

But when Strange "restored" an apple (while a bite still existed in his stomach), it created a paradox and time started to crack.

Going 5 years back and undoing a major action would create almost infinite paradoxes and would shatter time.

matty_nice2026-01-15 05:39

I don't think anyone really knows. A big part was the that directors and writers disagreed with their own time travel rules.

Just best to forget and move on.

WildMongoose62062026-01-15 08:38

changing the past creates a new timeline in case of stones,thor's mjolnir, the shield that steve brought from past, unless you put it back to the exact moment they were taken away, or use mind stone to erase memories (in case of screwups so that anyone from past who knows you clearly doesn't remember except for rare cases where the character in that exact moment dies like thor's mother who dies in dark world movie), you cant remove those branch realities. That's why loki escaped from 2012 and thanos, his army including gamora and nebulla isnt there in 2014 because they travelled back to 2023.

Stormik2026-01-15 12:49

Would it even work? Could one stone undo something all six have done?

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-15 19:26

So, if they go back in time and take the time stone and don’t really change anything, there won’t be a branch, much like Endgame. However, if they then go back to Thanos’ second snap and use that Time Stone to reverse that snap and take THOSE stones, we know from them living five years into the future that they WOULD be changing something. So doing so WILL create a new timeline, but they’ll have created it with a lot of unknown variables.

If they reverse the second snap, they have no idea what Thanos was doing before he did it, how much strength he had, etc. as it happened two days before. They can’t know the situation. You’re also reversing time back to THANOS HAVING ALL SIX INFINITY STONES, which, like, they had a hard time fighting him without all that.

So, if they fail, which they very much could, they risk creating a second timeline where trillions MORE people die. Which would be tow universes where the snap occurs and the Avengers are probably dead and unable to fix either of them. Not to mention you’ve screwed the universe you took the time stone from because now you can’t put it back.

BZenMojo2026-01-15 20:29

"The stones create what you perceive as the flow of time." Basically, if the stones are together then time fixes itself and prevents changes to the timeline that are too big. Once you lose the stones, anything goes and you can't even fight off invaders... and now 616 still doesn't have access to any infinity stones, so...

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-15 23:48

The stones dont fix any changes done to a timeline, they just essentially create what is perceived as a timeline.