This is why Cap's return could actually be really cool...

Any theory surrounding whether this is our Cap or a different universe Cap is silly to me. The use of Cap returning is to warm our hearts for a character we followed for a decade (marketing) and whatever role he is going to have in the plot.

WHAT I THINK IS COOL is that the Old cap we see at the end of endgame has already experienced Doomsday and bares all the knowledge of something we are yet to see.

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ipostatrandom2026-01-14 15:55

It could be our cap while he was timeline hopping in endgame and something that happens in the movie helps him decide Sam is the right successor.

Slodes2026-01-14 16:54

This actually makes a great deal of sense. For all we know the trailer clip of the last scene of the film showing a happy ending.

everyday952692026-01-15 02:34

Perhaps the shield will be needed by Sam for something very specific too.

DumplingBoiii2026-01-15 22:13

Starting and Closing a time loop like this would be actually pretty sick

firedforthatblunder2026-01-14 16:04

The Cap shown in the teaser is _more than likely_ the one we followed for years, that we saw at the end of Endgame, when he went back in time. I have no idea why anyone would think it’s some alternate universe version of him.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 16:20

Because him having a baby would make serious plot holes for the present day MCU, hence why I think it will be the reason for the TVA visiting him. You get me?

firedforthatblunder2026-01-14 16:24

I think the repercussions of him having a baby/going back in time in general is what’s going to be explored in Doomsday, so not really a “plot hole”

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 16:33

Sorry, I meant it would be a plot whole if cap had a kid that wasn't taken care of by the TVA or killed before the first irom man film. It would be a huge plot whole if Cap was running aorund, kicking ass in all the avengers films whilst his kid (who'd be in his 60s or 70s) was sitting around watching it on the TV. Bare in mind his kid could have powers.

Teamawesome20142026-01-15 14:59

The Loki show explicitely stated that the endgame time travel shenanigans were supposed to happen and are part of the sacred timeline.

The sacred timeline isn't technically 1 timeline. It's all of the timelines that are similar enough to each other to lead to Sacred Timeline Kang. A timeline within that group can be fiddled with a little bit and as long as it still leads to ST Kang, it's fine. This is what the red line in Loki signifies.

He probably told his kid about his time in the ICE and how he came back in time once the kid was old enough to understand. The kid may have powers, but having powers doesn't mean you're required to be a super hero. Maybe he just wanted a desk job? Or maybe he's an artist? Or maybe a firefighter?

And there you go using the term plot hole again when that term doesn't apply here.

FDVP2026-01-14 16:31

It’s not a plot-hole. It’s narrative.

Teamawesome20142026-01-14 16:37

What plot holes? Endgame implied that he had a full life with Peggy. Nothing we've seen since contradicts that. Just because something isn't explained or explicitly stated doesn't make it a plot hole.

The TVA was fine with his time travel, as it didn't cause a split from the sacred timeline. As long as the sacred timeline still leads to sacred timeline Kang, then any time shenanigans aren't actually something they're concerned about. They explicitly stated that the avengers time travelling in endgame was all already a part of the sacred timeline. Besides, none of that is relevant anymore post-Loki season 2.

Kinda seems like you're using the term without actually understanding what it means.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 16:43

Sorry for missusing the term. What I mean is that something must surely happen to Cap's child, since I don't think it would make sense for Cap's kid to still be alive and around by the end of endgame.

Teamawesome20142026-01-14 16:46

Why wouldn't it? As I said, just because we haven't seen something or it isn't explicitly stated doesn't mean it isn't present in the larger universe. Maybe cap's kid will be revealed as a character later? Maybe that kid just went on to become a normal civilian and understands the value of that life because Cap raised them with the right values? Maybe it's something in between? I bet a child of Cap and Peggy would make a pretty kickass firefighter.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 17:04

So, my reason for this is that when you have a long running series of stories that all tie into eachother, with the MCU being one of the biggest examples, it's a bit hard to buy into huge changes that haven't been hinted at in the past. For example, in Iron Man 2, we saw the first teaser for Wakanda in the form of the location pinpointed on a S.H.I.E.L.D map. That was 6 years before Civil War. A lot of Marvels bad choices in recent years have partly been as a result of last minute planning, I think rhere is a high chance this could be added to that list. This isn't to say I'm not excited though, these teailers habe got me annoyingly hyped.

Teamawesome20142026-01-15 14:54

That wasn't an answer to the question and has nothing to do with Cap having a kid in the past after endgame.

Also, the early MCU wasn't all planned out. It only looks that way after the fact. Regardless, you still haven't explained how Cap having a kid in the past doesn't make sense.

cai_852026-01-16 11:55

It would be very easy to explain a character appearing as "Steve Rogers' grandson" for example, as we know that he went back in time in Endgame to start a new life. This gives the audience probably a decade of "foreshadowing", much longer than your Wakanda map example. It could also easily be explained with a single line of "my grandpa told me not to get in touch until after Doom was dealt with". Just to note that "Cap's child" would be born around 1950-1955, so aged 70-80 and not really that interesting a character for superhero purposes, grandchild would potentially be viable.

Ultimately we know that there is going to be some sort of reboot/reset after Secret Wars anyway, so we will likely get clean new versions of the OG Avengers and X-Men as they build up a new universe with some hints and Easter Eggs to the MCU, so we're getting to the stage where they can do what they like with Steve's time travelling as it's not going to matter after December 2027.

richard-5642026-01-15 11:31

Plot twist: The baby he's holding is Sharon Carter!

I'm jk obviously

richard-5642026-01-20 03:01

I mean, based on the rules established in Endgame, he would be in a branched timeline, so the baby wouldn't affect our timeline at all.

WildMongoose62062026-01-14 16:07

The real steve returned to present timeline as a old man. I am not sure exactly how quantum time travel works in case of young steve who is also in the past. This is honestly confusing.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 16:18

Nah cap didn't just return as an old man. The story is that he went back, returned the stones and used his last Pim particle to go to the 40s and live with peggy until he reaches present day. He might have even snapped away during such time. I have a funny idea of him checking the calender until Tony's funeral day and then sneaking up, rewatching himself say goodbye before returning the stones and then quickly jogging over to the bench where Bucky notices him.

ipostatrandom2026-01-14 17:49

Only flaw in that logic is that the movie established that it doesn't work that way.
If you travel to the past and change stuff you create a NEW timeline.

I do believe what you say was the writer's intention, but it doesn't work with the rules they wrote. So old Cap has to be a variant that happens to have the exact same history, unless some of these things get clarified in Doomsday.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 18:35

I get that he travelled back in time, but if it was SUPPOSED to happen, as in it was always writen in his future that he would do that, then surely that doesn't change anything that would happen going forward from that time.

ipostatrandom2026-01-14 19:33

Why would that change the established rules of time travel (with the Quantum particles like the Avengers did at least)?

The TVA allowed alternate timelines if they were meant to crossover with the sacred timeline, there's a line in Loki s1 that the Avengers were meant to crossover with that Loki's timeline, which got pruned shortly after they left. So it's perfectly feasible it's the same situation with Steve.

You can downvote me but my logic is sound with the things we've seen onscreen so far. Only way it could be our Steve is if he somehow traveled back to ours by a different method.

ultrainstict2026-01-16 03:33

The time travel was always meant to happen, so the timeline they were living in always had that Steve, they never actually changed the past. The tva even confirms the time travel was always meant to be apart of that timeline.

There is an original timeline where cap stays back and never returns but that cap that went back still had a future that became the timeline we follow. One where he was always in the past.

ipostatrandom2026-01-16 05:13

=> What the TVA confirmed is that the Avengers were meant to travel to the alternate timelines like I said in my previous comment. Loki's timeline still got pruned after they left.

I'm not reading a reason why the rules of time travel would suddenly change with Steve's final trip when he uses the same method as earlier in the film.

The only way he can be our Steve is if he traveled back by a different method of time travel. That would logically explain why the rules changed.

ultrainstict2026-01-16 08:37

The rules of time travel don't have to change for Steve final trip to get what we saw.

No it could also simply be of this isnt the first time Steve traveled back. The Steve we see doesn't have to be our Steve he just had to experience the same events as our Steve, which if he remains minimal contact and anonymous then they would and Steve is certainly smart enough to remember not to. And Carter would understand if he told her given her background.

So old Steve's original timeline was pruned and continued in the past, the same events follow up until the point he meets back up. No rules get broken and the same events follow by means of information we know Steve had.

ipostatrandom2026-01-16 16:20

"The Steve we see doesn't have to be our Steve he just had to experience the same events as our Steve"

Yes, a variant. You're saying the same thing I am.

vashoom2026-01-14 19:36

It's confusing, and the writers and directors disagree on how the time travel stuff actually works. But from what's written, there is no such thing as "supposed to happen". The sacred timeline is a series of events curated by the TVA to ensure that He Who Remains, uh, remains, and survives/stops the multiversal war, etc.

So if you mean that Cap time traveling was necessary for the sacred timeline, to lead to those events at the end of time and have that Kang be successful, then yeah, maybe. But that wouldn't stop Cap doing things in the past from creating a branch. The Avengers time traveling in Endgame caused all kinds of branches (like, that's literally where the new Loki comes from), even though their time traveling is part of the sacred timeline.

So it could be possible that Cap going back and living with Peggy was part of the sacred timeline but still happened in an alternate universe from the main MCU universe/timeline. As written, whatever Steve did for 60+ years that physically aged him that much, had to have happened in an alternate timeline, not the MCU proper. There's no way (again, as written in the film, or at least as explained by Hulk) that there was a secret second Steve running around the main MCU timeline this whole time, that he was secretly Peggy's husband all along, etc.

GRANTED, given the disagreement between the writers and directors, it's also possible Doomsday just doesn't care about what was established and does whatever. Or makes new rules, or says Hulk was wrong, or any number of things.

Honestly, I don't think Marvel really thought it all through or cares too much anyway, especially now. They're just trying to get butts in seats, make a billion dollars, and reboot the MCU.

VanilleKoekje2026-01-14 18:26

Dear god, why do people keep thinking this is what happened.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 18:36

Dear God, it sure did seem like that?

VanilleKoekje2026-01-14 18:53

Watch the movie again but slowly through the scenes where they explain the "timetravel". You'll either come to a different conclusion on you're not capable of understanding it.

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-15 00:46

I appreciate you. Upon reflection, my comment was immensely sassy. I am sorry.

WildMongoose62062026-01-16 07:00

i also feel that after peggy's funeral, steve went back to 2023. Its crazy that young steve never met old steve if the older one was in funeral.

jurzdevil2026-01-15 18:38

What they should have done is have a TVA time door appear instead of Bucky seeing him on the bench. Old Steve walks out returning from the branched timeline where he grew old with Peggy.

Same explanations hold true, put the stones back & went after having a life, plus it shows the TVA was out there and they knew what the avengers were doing and allowed Steve to have his life in the branch. So in the branch when Peggy dies the TVA shows up and tells old Steve he needs to return to his timeline, he goes through the door and then they prune the branch. He returns with the memories but the branch is gone and he doesn't know that.

Sort of depends on how far along development of Loki was during Endgame production but it could still be true since we dont know exactly how old Steve returned. They could easily confirm that in a movie going forward with the TVA admitting a role. Old Steve could have just walked out of a time door at the bench just as young Steve was leaving to return the stones.

WildMongoose62062026-01-16 06:59

well i hope they address this issue in doomsday.

metalmankam2026-01-14 17:02

He wasn't supposed to go back. That wasn't part of the sacred timeline. It caused an incursion that killed Doom's family and now Doom is on a mission to kill Steve

Fabulous_Map_25012026-01-14 17:13

You seem really sure about this. Did you watch a vid or sm?

ipostatrandom2026-01-14 17:51

It was part of it, otherwise the TVA would've pruned the MCU.

metalmankam2026-01-14 18:17

That doesn't make any sense. The MCU shows us things whether they're on the sacred timeline or not. The entire MCU franchise is not one timeline it's many. And remember Loki went back there to the TVA prior to Steve going back to Peggy. At the time of the Loki show that hasn't happened yet. And from what we saw the TVA isn't pruning branches anymore by the end of it. Perhaps the branch where he had a life with Peggy is being preserved by Loki at the end of time.

All kinds of things were not part of the sacred timeline and haven't been pruned. For instance wolverine isn't supposed to exist. He was supposed to die in our universe and this other one wasn't supposed to travel across universes. Monica Rambeau isn't supposed to be in earth 10005. Scott Summers and Jean Grey aren't supposed to be alive. Deadpool was not supposed to go back and kill the other Deadpool from the wolverine film. I'm sure there are better examples but there are tons of things that exist and do not align with the sacred timeline

ipostatrandom2026-01-14 19:20

Did you watch loki?

After s1 the multiverse broke open but during season 1 the TVA had a tight leash on the events up until endgame. Thus, if Steve wasn't supposed to be there, the MCU from phase 1-3 would have been pruned.

All multiverse events after endgame are fair game, it was set up like that by Sylvie killing HWR and Loki s2.

metalmankam2026-01-14 20:02

Well something is wrong with it, what else would Doom want with Steve? It seems anyone messing with time is causing problems. I think the reason the X-Men are a part of this film is because of the altered timeline. Monica being in that universe also is not supposed to be happening. So if Steve didn't cause an incursion I wonder why he's even in this film at all

ipostatrandom2026-01-14 20:18

Yeah, he still very well could have caused one.

I think the easiest way to explain it is that the events where Steve possibly causes an incursion happen after the events of Endgame & Loki. HWR himself said he has no idea what happens after that point.

But after that Steve travels back to a point on the sacred timeline somehow, where HWR is still keeping tabs, but he won't prune it because he was always meant to be there.

Aromatic-Cupcake48022026-01-14 19:58

The Avengers discovering time travel which was meant to happen, Cap breaking the rules was the root of the problem the multiverse is in.

Advanced_Pack42412026-01-15 22:59

I hate it because they are overshadow Sam. But at the same time I get why they do it, the Thunderbolts flop show that the random audience really don't care about the MCU right now and if nostalgia worked for Deadpool 3 and NWH they probably thought why don't doit again.

It's a really complicated topic.