Did people actually dislike the IronHeart show?
I was on Instagram and saw that the IronHeart show was nominated for some awards that I never heard of, but glad that it was nominated because I thought it was an enjoyable show. Totally recommend it. However, when I checked the comment section, most of the people were hating on it. I couldn't help but wonder if I have seen the same things as them cause this show was actually good. I have seen the whole show in 2 days and currently listening to the soundtrack on spotify.
So...did people people like the show or disliked it? If people disliked it, why?
So...did people people like the show or disliked it? If people disliked it, why?
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Tony went against the rules, Cap went against the rules, Nat, Bucky, Sam, Peter, Thor almost everyone went against the rules they were explicitly given. Why is that a bad thing?
And she's annoying why? she was in grief and was coping, it led to her being on a bad path and that's the point she was grieving so much she had to make a deal with the Devil, this is literally something Spiderman and Wanda do too in the comics...
None of ur criticisms seem fair, it's so absurd.
Her making an AI from her best friends memories…fucking stupid
Her making an iron suit out of car parts…zero servos in the car. Lots in the suit.
AI getting upset wit her.
Finally using metaphisto good lord.
The gang she joins was clearly theater kids acting tough. That whole shit was just fucking lame as fuck.
Literally there wasn’t one redeeming quality about this show.
"You wanna fight?"
"5-6-7-8!"
It was distinctly mediocre overall.
But seriously, I liked the casting, the production design, some of the character relationships... I just thought the script was a disaster.
Why do we need an echo show?
They serve no purpose and add little to the mcu. We already have friggin 37 movies do we need these filler shows?
Just give me the movies and be done with it
* Dislike of the entire franchise or property
* Dislike due to the focus of the new content shifting away from characters or concepts the fan likes.
* Dislike of the entire concept or character for the newest addition
* Fans who liked the concept but were disappointed by the execution of it.
The most vocal dislike of IronHeart and She Hulk was largely the mix of the second and third types. IronHeart is a legacy character that for some fans felt like a DEI Update / Remake of an existing character they liked. Some hated it for the presumed virtue signalling and some disliked it simply because they wanted to keep the focus on the same cast from Endgame.
It is harder to find critcism from people who took the time to watch the show and disliked it enough to post online about it. Contrast this with the Secret Invasion series, which seems to have been universally shit on for an unacceptably bad execution of what should have been a very good idea.
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Not everyone with criticism falls into that category, obviously, but let's not shy away from a worryingly increasing number of bad faith actors in online spaces.
The various flavors of bigotry are a real problem. But shitty people are allowed to have opinions, even when the opinions are shitty. And being dismissive and hostile towards people you disagree with is unproductive. We are allowed to regard them as being utter morons worthy of contempt, but we cannot pretend that their opinions do not matter. Their dollars (and politically their votes) matter just as much as ours do to the people who make decisions.
More importantly, the shittiest people are the loudest, but a whole lot of very reasonable and sane people will also dislike those changes if the changes come off as performative virtue signalling.
If I was going to single it out to a specific point, I would summarize it as "Dislike due to unwanted changes to an existing character". If you want to have characters that appeal to an audience segment that is under represented, that is probably awesome. But that does not mean you should change existing characters in a way that will alienate existing fans.
The Marvel comics went through a stretch of introducing characters that felt like a performative DEI push when they introduced Iron Heart, Jane Foster as Thor, and Falcon as captain America. None of these were necessarily bad ideas, but doing all of them within a single calendar year, and doing them in a way that pushed Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, and Thor Odinson out of the spotlight landed very badly with long time fans of those characters. And within a short period of time all the originals came back anyway. It was at best a very OK idea executed very badly from a PR standpoint, and not everyone who was pissed off about it was a raving bigot. (Iron Heart could have been introduced without sidelining Stark, and they could have had the self awareness to realize how performative doing all of these at once was going to look).
Compare this with Ms Marvel / Kamala Khan, who was introduced as a new character that appealed to an underrepresented demographic and has become a very successful new character.
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If someone is criticizing something because they don't agree with it creatively, great, more power to them, art is subjective and I welcome discourse.
If someone criticizes a project for bigoted rationale while trying to make it *seem* like good faith criticism, that is a problem. And it's an ever growing problem. People will call She-Hulk "bad writing" because it's more acceptable and critically intelligent sounding to write that than "Everything with a woman lead is pandering and I hate them"
Honestly, your whole paragraph reads as someone who has these bigoted opinions, but you're trying really hard to convince everyone why those opinions still hold value. Which is gross. Your whole response is gross.
I don't care if a bigot spends money, they're opinion means less in a critical space because it is not intellectually honest. At best you're trying to both sides this because you have no values of your own, at worst you're one of the people I'm talking about. But you trying to minimize bigotry into something so much nicer sounding like "they just dont like change" says A LOT about you
Please "end communication."
She also didn't look all that interested in pursing a traditional job during the show either. She seemed intrigued to work with the gang. They let her go on missions with her suit instead of working in an office or lab
Then I accept a deal with the devil immediately after defeating the villain. Kinda neverending bad choices from someone whos an actual genius with a solid support system.
*the wakandans would have kept RiRi
Especially because how memeable it was, her complaining about "not being rich like tony" when tony built his first armor in a cave with a box of scraps but digress. Those silly details ended up derailing most discussions.
People hated on the trailer more than the show itself pretty much.
He built his first armor, which was a slightly motorized suit of plate mail, in a cave with a massive stack of the most advanced weaponry on the planet.
In philosophy it asks an interesting question, what matters more, good intentions or good results? If her end result is good, does it justify the bad stuff she did?
I mean, Secret Invasion was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY worse but how actively are we still bashing it? No. People who obsessively continue to bash certain releases do so for the wrong reasons.
Characters aren't likeable
story doesn't really fit into the wider MCU/Stark legacy very well imo
doesn't make sense how smart she's supposed to be, getting multimillion dollar funding but is stuck living like a typical middle class broke college student. Surely she could figure out how to make money besides taking other people's test and small crime.
It was otherwise just boring and didn't really add anything to the MCU
But remember, some people liked it as well.
And, honestly, I hated Riri's character. Everything about her and everything she was doing. I was WAY more invested in the stories of the Hood and "Joe"... I liked the stuff about them. And I LOVED the ending, but only mainly because it **proved** that Riri is NOT a hero--she's actually a villain.
In Wakanda Forever, Riri makes an impression on the Wakandans and Shuri in particular. It makes sense that they wouldn’t let her stay in Wakanda or keep their tech. But they sent her home and just dumped her. Why weren’t they helping fund her?
T’Challa started an outreach program that would have continued. And here they have a perfect person to help with the program and they just don’t. It’s absolutely ridiculous. So of course this leads her to go back to doing stupid shit to fund her obsession.
Despite the overabundance of advanced AI, she didn’t create her own and instead relied on MIT’s and then didn’t have the foresight to see that they would cut her off as soon as they expelled her. And she doesn’t have some sort of a backup in place to safely land her suit if the AI cuts out for some reason.
And from there the shows is just one dumb nonsensical decision after another filled with dull interludes of her not dealing with her trauma. Yeah, I get people ignore their trauma in real life and it’s great they tried tongue on that trauma. Unfortunately, they did it in the most boring way possible.
Overall, the show was just uninteresting.
Her appearance in BP2 didn’t nothing to make me care about her. She did not come across as a likeable, interesting character, so I just have no reason to watch the show.