Avengers Doomsday And Secret War Is Not Avengers Endgame / IF

I don't understand why people are comparing avengers doomsday with endgame or if

I think people are forgetting the whole of endgame

There is no way doomsday/secret wars can beat endgame/IF because endgame was a conclusion of the avengers series and multiple movies and it was an end

However on the other doomsday and secret wars are the beginning of the new avengers series so it should be compared to avengers 1 and age of Ultron not endgame

People are saying that "there is not plot set for doomsday and secret wars but endgame had so much build up" but these movies are for setting plot for future avengers movies

They are returning old characters cause marvel is dying and no one is intrested in new heroes so they will use the old ones to make people attached to the new ones and hopefully build a new avengers lineup and give it a satisfactory ending and with x men and F4 they can do what not

Avengers and age of Ultron also didn't have much buildup and I think rn doomsday hype is way better

Also everything is a personal opinion and while writing this i feel that somewhere I may be wrong so please correct me
( sorry for bad english )

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LeeoJohnson2026-01-13 15:19

The producers have directly stated that Avengers Doomsday is a sequel to Avengers Endgame.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:22

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looopious2026-01-13 16:49

Just lol

ICPosse82026-01-13 15:34

Which could be said about almost everything after Endgame lol

akaynaveed2026-01-13 16:05

DING DING DING

Defiant-Band45732026-01-13 17:22

You mean that they are trying to shoehorn Doomsday into a sequel. It doesn't impress me one bit.

Marvel_v_DC2026-01-13 15:22

Doomsday and SW may mark the start of a new saga, but they will also end the Multiverse saga. So, Avengers 5 and 6 will be the culmination of phases four, five, and six, and there has been quite a bit of buildup so far!

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:23

Exactly and the future avengers movie will be used for building up for another endgame like movie and that could be peakk!!!

Defiant-Band45732026-01-13 17:31

That remains to be seen. Elizabeth Olsen says she is not in either one of them. Another potential storyline is Jane in Valhalla. That did not feel like a finish to her story.

tepenrod2026-01-13 15:24

It gets compared by simply being next. Is it a fair comparison? Probably not but now that Endgame gave us so much spectacle and pay-off moments, Doomsday is going to have that expectation. So how do they do that? As you say, bring in nostalgic characters and other things to help bridge the gap and get the overall MCU train back on track. I think that’s why it gets the comparison. They’ve made a big deal about just how many characters are in this movie, etc.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:29

That is very right but people should start seeing this as a beginning ( if it is is) rather than an end

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-13 15:25

I've always believed these movies would be more akin to the first Avengers movie. Brings what will be the Avengers moving forward together for the first time and then everything sort of kicks off from there

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:28

Yes the new characters will receive independent movies and then they will set plot for another endgame in the future

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-13 15:35

I'm hoping for Annihilation, but that's just me

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:38

I mean it's marvel they can kill most characters for a reboot cause the new ones arent working

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-13 15:53

It's not gonna be a hard reboot. Sorry.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:54

I heard about a soft reboot but yeah I don't think they will do a big reboot

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-13 16:17

It'll just be a melding of universes that leave the door open fir other characters to come back. But the characters we know will still exist in it and carry on their stories

necroreefer2026-01-13 15:26

Doomday and secret wars are going to be carbon copies of IW/endgame

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:30

But they won't end the series but instead be a base for future avengers movies with new character because there isn't a single movie without the og characters so they just carry it and now they need to change that

necroreefer2026-01-13 15:33

I hope after secret wars we are left with a new status quo where everyone is alive and in the same universe and any one can make any movie about any character.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:37

That would seem too perfect and then people will start criticising so I believe they just kill/forget og like Steve and thor and focus on new ones

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 15:35

Bold opinion. You think Doom is going to spend the whole movie fighting people? Nah.

Doom looks like Stark. It is doubtful he’s in the “instantly fight F4 folks” mode yet either.

There is an incredibly high chance Doom is going to be conning some of the heroes. Probably leveraging his Stark appearance for his own benefit. He may comes across as good to some of them until he reveals his true motives.

necroreefer2026-01-13 15:38

Not beat for beat but the same outline where in doomsday we keep jumping to different people like in IW and secret wars will be about a small group of people trying to figure out how to stop doom.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 15:54

With a cast of like 40 characters, yes, they will cut from different smaller groups to other smaller groups. That’s just how things work with a big cast unless everyone is trapped on an island together or something lol.

I mean that cutting happens in large cast rom com movies like “He’s Just Not That Into You” too lol.

Besides that basic movie construction of following different characters around I bet Doomsday will be different than Infinity War. I bet different factions of heroes will be fighting each other quite a bit. For their own reasons or because Doom conned them.

But you are right about Secret Wars. It’s a two part Avengers movie and unless they use “Secret Wars” in name only, the multiverse is going to collapse into a mess / villain controlled situation and the heroes will try to fix it.

necroreefer2026-01-13 16:37

But was a choice to make doomsday a large cast movie they could have flipped it and made doomsday with a smaller cast and SW be the big team up movie.

Edit: In fact thinking about it I could see them even repeating the collection of the infinity stones story beat with doom needing powerful children like franklin and caps kid and t'challa kid.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 16:45

Please don’t get suckered into the kids theory. The kids will be mostly useless to Doom.

Franklin has the power cosmic. Maybe Love does. But no other kids would be worth a damn to him. Cap and T’Challa’s kids, come on. They are not powerful kids. Cap and Black Panther level of power are literally laughable to Doom.

necroreefer2026-01-13 16:48

A villain collecting people is a very common comic book trope. They even did it in the x man cartoon and ultron does it all the time.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 16:57

Yes, but it’s nonsensical here. Except for Franklin. And possibly Love. People actually think Steve or T’challa’s kids are “powerful”? That’s laughably off base.

Randomly kidnapping kids for leverage is lame as hell, already was relentlessly mocked by fans when Gorr “I don’t butcher people I am a babysitter” did it.

So no, Doom collecting all children ain’t happening.

necroreefer2026-01-13 16:59

Each kid could be a source of power for doom to steal franklin has the power cosmic love is a god caps kid has the super soldier serum and t'challa has the heart shape herb. I know he only really needs franklin, but they need to have a reason for the other characters to show up.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 18:40

No dude just no.

Doom is so far beyond Cap and Black Panther in power he would not give one single crap about their kids, who may or may not even have those low level powers.

Come on now.

ElectricalEqual56312026-01-13 16:45

no just no do you think feige and russos would go with "collecting children" thing? except for franlin obv. thats not the way they're going

necroreefer2026-01-13 16:50

We will see but either a way I just hope the movies are good.

ElectricalEqual56312026-01-13 16:53

it will be my man it will be

vivianvisionsburner2026-01-13 15:30

You keep referring to a "new Avengers series" but there isn't a new one or a different one - it's all just one.

Doomsday is much closer to IW and arguably even AoU than A1 at all. A cast of 20+ is not a cast of 6. A movie meant to end 1 phase is not a movie meant to end an entire saga.

I just don't see the point in downplaying this stuff

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:35

By new avengers series I mean just using these characters like thunderbolts shant chi etc ( phase 4-6) which are not getting any love / Attention cause some are trash so marvel needs to get them attention so they are using old characters in doomsday to do so and then yk make future movies on these characters forgetting tony Steve etc

Wtygrrr2026-01-13 15:31

Here’s a crazy idea: what if they’re their own thing and not at all comparable to the previous movies??

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:33

That will be a very good bu then people will criticise for drifting away from the original way and uhhh

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 15:33

“People are saying that "there is not plot set for doomsday and secret wars but endgame had so much build up" “

People say a lot of incredibly dumb things.
There was no “build up” to Infinity War besides “infinity stones exist” and “some alien dude who has two adopted kids wants them”. Thanos’ characterization in the credits scenes and Guardians 1 was WAY OFF from what they ended up going with in Infinity War, so Thanos himself had anti build up.

The Doomsday “build up” is “multiverse exists” and “incursions can happen, destroying universes”. And I suppose also “Sue and Reed’s kid has comic powers”.

The build up is about the same, except this time there is no negative anti build up they need to overcome.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:39

I wasnt old enough at the time of IW so idk about they hype but atleast people are hating the plot for doomsday so I just wanted to express my opinion

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 15:49

I get it. I am agreeing with you. I am just pointing out people have the build up to Infinity War all wrong.

Thanos has two credits scenes that make no sense relative to Infinity War. He has a small part in Guardians 1 *where he acts completely differently to how he acts in Infinity War* - worst of all he is supposed to be the Big Bad and Ronan walks all over him and makes him look like a punk. (Even James Gunn said this was strange).

That’s anti build up.

As for the stones. Marvel admitted they did retcons and turned things that weren’t stones when they were introduced, into stones later. Scepter, tesseract, ether, none of those were infinity stones when those movies were made.

Yes they eventually realized they wanted to do their version of infinity Gauntlet from the comics, but that was decided late.

Thanos, the actual character, how he acted, his motivations, all of that was only decided when they sat down to write Infinity War

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:52

Oh yeah actually we never saw the stones as stones before IW so they were not sure or something and if that so then doomsday is more plotted than IW but also phase ,4-6 is little messed up due to kang dynasty so it's not proper

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-13 15:56

Almost. In Guardians 1 they inserted a scene that was a bit out of place describing all the stones. But that was well after the non-stones made appearances. It was a retcon.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:57

Yeah wow I didn't manage to notice these details and but still all the movies are very well written and I am still watching x men movies and will watch phase 4-6 after so I can't be sure about how the ahead movies are

cocopopped2026-01-13 15:33

It's *Startgame* if anything!

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:38

Yesss!!!! 🤣

WildMongoose62062026-01-13 15:36

I agree with your explanation

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:37

Thanks

hhhhhBan2026-01-13 15:38

Secret Wars is not a proper beginning, it is an end that brings forth said beginning. It's not the first movie in a franchise like Avengers 1 was, Doomsday is nowhere NEAR comparable to it since we have multiple established teams coming together as opposed to 6 dudes. This is just flat out wrong.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:40

It's end for Steve thor etc and beginning for thunderbolts eternals x men F4 etc cause they will recieve attention because of these movies

realspitfire692026-01-13 15:39

its IW not IF

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 15:49

Ah sorry I mistyped every time ig i just got confused

juances192026-01-13 16:17

> However on the other doomsday and secret wars are the beginning of the new avengers series so it should be compared to avengers 1 and age of Ultron not endgame

Doesn't it have a bit of both?

Yes, this might be the jumping point for the X-men, but it could also be our goodbye to Thor and (second) goodbye to Chris Evan's Steve.

PranksterYT38092026-01-13 16:19

Exactly if you see my replies to some other comments I have said exactly that

Thor and Steve Rogers are going to be forgotten or over I should say and the attention gained through them will be used to highlight the new heroes which are hidden

looopious2026-01-13 16:52

It doesn't take a genius or any confirmation to put two and two together. Most people have known Doomsday and Secret Wars will be related since their reveal.

eagc72026-01-13 21:03

I mean i can see why its not hard for people to compare the 4 films, considering IW/Endgame was the end of the Infinity Saga, while D/SW are the end of the Multiverse Saga.

I think it would be a different story if this was just some regular Avengers movie and not the conclusion of this arc in the sense that people wouldn't be comparing them this hard or that it would make even more less sense to compare them.