I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
We all saw the ending of WandaVision right? The one where Wanda was looking through the evil book for her kids? The book that messes with the head of whoever uses it?
The reason I ask is because in every discussion thread of Multiverse of Madness, people act like her being a villain came from nowhere. And to me, the ending of WandaVision clearly established Wanda was not ok. When I was MoM I was like, "Yeah, the darkhold is messing with her head. This isn't really her.". Hence why when her kids freak out at her at the end, she snaps out of it, because thats what all of this has been about.
But maybe I'm the weird one. I don't know. I just feel like I am legitimately the only one who doesn't think her being a villain came from nowhere.
The reason I ask is because in every discussion thread of Multiverse of Madness, people act like her being a villain came from nowhere. And to me, the ending of WandaVision clearly established Wanda was not ok. When I was MoM I was like, "Yeah, the darkhold is messing with her head. This isn't really her.". Hence why when her kids freak out at her at the end, she snaps out of it, because thats what all of this has been about.
But maybe I'm the weird one. I don't know. I just feel like I am legitimately the only one who doesn't think her being a villain came from nowhere.
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And honestly? Hard to entirely blame them. I'm addicted to the depression brick too.
Especially as, as far as I can tell, people were bothered by the speed at which she went from “Oh my god look at the harm my powers have caused by just day dreaming about the happy life I wanted” to “Imma kill a tonne of people including this orphan teenager so I can kidnap an alternate version of my nonexistent kids”
The problem isn’t that there was no explanation. The Darkhold does explain her actions (albeit poorly to casual fans of the films) It’s that people didn’t like or want that for her character. People felt that she had earned a little breathing room before being, yet again, inadvertently or maladaptivly responsible for more pain and suffering
I think it’s mentioned once or twice what it does to the reader? Maybe? Her turn to evil happened in between projects and I’m not sure if most people knew this would happen
Notably, AoS generally and s4 specifically include the kind of infiltration suspense that everyone wanted from *Secret Invasion* but was sorely lacking.
Just FYI
I think more people would have been interested in seeing a story of our hero turn evil / crazy, than one that takes our hero and has her randomly be evil already
Source: I watched the first couple seasons and no one I’ve ever talked to has seen it, and I gave up before they introduced the darkhold
The uranium in *Notorious* is the classic MacGuffin because it wouldn’t have changed a thing if it’d been an album of cherished family photographs.
Just because numerous characters are after the same thing doesn’t make it a MacGuffin.
Just FYI.
Which, for the record, was shoehorned in last second to create a pathetic gap from the show to the movie
That scene makes it seem like her kids are alive *and in danger*. In strange 2 she never even thinks her kids are in danger.
She just misses her kids. And will murder dozens of heroes to get to them.
It doesn’t even make sense.
she goes from the end scenes of having figured her shit out, being sad, etc., to a thirty second scene where shes using wizard-meth, and then next time we see her shes a wizard-meth kingpin.
even if theres an answer for the specific question, its a very inorganic and sudden jump for the audience.
In WandaVision, she’s struggling but she’s sympathetic because she’s in so much pain. And even though she hurts a lot of people, she does it unintentionally. She ends the show by trying to put things right and apologizing.
The next we see him in MoM, she’s straight up killing lots of people and chasing a teenage girl.
It seems like the audience missed a few chapters. And that’s assuming everyone saw WandaVision.
Why don’t more people acknowledge the difference you are pointing out.
Accidentally making people prisoners and forcing them to act in sitcoms and then making a big sacrifice to fix it is INCREDIBLY different than casually murdering heroic people by the dozens.
The after credit made no sense with the show actual ending, where wanda finally made peace with her situation.
A jarring gap that requires explanation.
I dont mind the jarring gap between ending and after credit, but the next movie MUST explain the gap.
Not just rely on the 5 second additional scene that had no background and just run with it.
After credit is not part of the main story, heck it wasnt even made by the same writers. It just a teaser for next movie.
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You said she was using the book for the kids. Without MoM, how do you know this?
you don't, especially because she's visibly taken aback by hearing them, which means she wasn't expecting it, which implies she wasn't actively looking for them (even though obviously she would be afterwards), just learning about her power, which is exactly what she told monica she'd do, since westview was the result of her losing control of her powers
Sure - We can fanwalk the Darkhold slowly corrupting her and leading her to cartoonishly evil mass murdering psycho.
The problem is they showed none of that.
She had a breakdown. She held people as prisoners against their will to… act in sitcoms. She figured out what she was doing. She gave up her family to free those people.
That was the villainy we saw in WandaVision with her reforming herself by the end.
Next appearance mass murderer / horror movie villain à la Jason or Freddy Krueger.
It skipped the actual progression from one to the other. (Even worse, Agatha didn’t seem much different with and without the Darkhold and the other Strange who had the book far longer wasn’t as cartoonishly evil).
in the post credit scene, she heard the kids crying for help. the setup is there for her to be doing bad shit to save her kids, who she believes are in imminent danger.
in the movie, that entire motivation is gone, she's just doing all this evil shit simply because she misses her kids. she doesn't at any point believe they're in danger, and in fact they're completely fine every time we (and wanda) see them.
even if we go by the most popular defense of this discontinuity - "the darkhold was tricking her" - _she wouldn't know that and should still behave like she believes the kids are in danger..._ but she doesn't
WandaVision Wanda mostly inadvertently trapped people and forced them to be in sitcoms.
Strange 2 Wanda almost immediately is a mass murdering psycho, *of heroes*, because they won’t give her a kid to abuse.
It’s a big jump. They didn’t actually show any corruption happening. And as the other guy mentioned the motivation in the WandaVision cut scene doesn’t even exist in Strange 2!
I don't think it was a good idea to follow that story up with "Wanda turns evil again", no matter how realistic; not even if they'd taken the time to show Wanda failing again due to lack of support etc. But to have Wanda fall based entirely on one post-credits scene and hand-waved as due to an evil magic book, that was a terrible story writing decision.
and I tj
You shouldn’t have to watch the shows to enjoy the content, but people need to stop pretending they don’t exist or they’re not canon. In this case, most of the criticism was that the film contradicted the show, which it didn’t really, but the narrative wasn’t well done. If you haven’t seen the whole story, it should still make sense to you, but you might miss some nuance, and that’s ok - films are limited, some of the storyline will happen offscreen and people should be allowed to enjoy TV series that fill in the gaps without lazy audiences describing them as homework.
Both the film and the TV show should have done a better job at telling this story, but if the TV show didn’t exist she’d still have been a villain out of nowhere and plenty audiences were fine with that. The TV show should be there for those who want the gaps filled, it’s not something you ‘have’ to watch. /rant but I’m really sick of this and it’s not going to get better with the Maximoffs, we still have VisionQuest to come, maybe either catch up or accept you’re missing out?
Agathas son isn’t discussed no?
> I get not watching the show
do you?
I still contend that had they kept the original Captain Marvel 2 title, then it would've worked better since you're now marketing a sequel to a billion dollar film rather than a team-up adventure with 2 of the 3 leads doing next to nothing to hype up the casuals since they don't know them.
Isaiah on the other hand is meant to be what pushes Sam into action. He's the emotional core of the film. And to their credit, Marvel did alright with him, but that's also not saying much. His history in the world is pretty game changing, and the series takes a couple of scenes to let us sit with him and learn. But how much can the general audience care when they have no prior knowledge and the film itself isn't doing a good enough job of catching them up?
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I am very aware who Sam Wilson is.
All of that was established in his very first appearance, a solid and serviceable backstory for the character, which they kinda did nothing with afterwards, since Sam was relegated to mere supporting character status until he became Cap and his backstory kinda stopped mattering after that, but whatevs.
Joaquin didn't get any of that in the show he first showed up in, fromwhat I can remember, and if he did well it was too forgettable to matter so it's all the same lol. I did like the bit from Cap 4 where he's in the hospital and says he wanted to be like Sam when he was younger, and that's why he enlisted, so he does have that at least.
I got pretty invested in this dude already was pleased to see more of him throughout the movie, which he did
Like 4 years had passed since I watched the Falcon&WS show and I didn't recall him being in it when I watched the film, only right after did I remember he was in it for maybe a couple scenes, like in the helicopter at the start (which I had to rewatch on YT to fully remember).
So when I watched the movie I was like hold up who's this new guy and why is he Sam's sidekick? Just not a really memorable character, which is why I'm kinda shocked they're bringing him back for DOOM's Day as part of Sam's team.
I did remember who Isaiah was plus I did know his story from the comics so no issue there, Torres is like a D-List character though, wasn't he introduced in the 2010s comics era too? So he's not a long standing character either
But yes Joaquin is a 2010s character in fact last year was his 10th anniversary
Awkward Ashleigh just watched The Marvels last week without having seen Ms. Marvel; she can be a total buffoon, but even *she* had no trouble understanding Kamala's family in that movie.
Edit: Also the Marvels.
Not really for the other movies.
By who!?
SWORD are terrified of her, Vision is disgusted in who she is and what she did, the town are terrified of her and see her as nothing but their tormentor.
Who forgives her!? Monica?
But, I do recognize part of what made WV great was that you could interpret it through different lenses. So I do see your perspective as well, it just was not the same as I perceived it.
There’s a lot to unpack on all ends of that, right up until she’s confronted to her face Wanda is still telling herself that what she’s doing to Westview and the people there is okay or even good for them because hey, who wouldn’t feel safe and secure going through the motions of a pleasant sanitized comedy like the ones that had seemed like such a great alternative to her awful childhood in a post-Soviet hellscape?
Thematically it's an empathetic but firm indictment of retreating into a safe space mindset without taking into account what that does to the people we inevitably end up trapping in there with us or the world we leave behind outside.
So did you just ignore the entire show outside of the last episode or what?
well, it was, the showrunners have mentioned it in several interviews that the show was designed from the ground up to be centered around wanda dealing with her grief by progressing through the five stages and ending with acceptance, that was the main crux of the story:
>JAC SCHEAFFER: Yeah. I mean, so the end of this show was always about acceptance. And it was from the very beginning, it was about the stages of grief. So was acceptance of her loss, her trauma. And so we knew we would land where they're saying goodbye.
 
>JAC SCHAEFFER: This is essentially what we envisioned from the very beginning. This was always going to be a story about grief, and we took that seriously, and it’s a little bit reductive, but we used the stages of grief to map out the arc of the season, and we knew that we wanted to take it to a place of acceptance. It is acceptance in two ways, it’s ultimately Wanda’s acceptance of the mantle of the Scarlet Witch, and then secondly and perhaps more importantly it is acceptance of her grief and of the fact that she has to let Vision and the boys go.
 
>MATT SHAKMAN: You can never completely move past a loss [or] the many losses that Wanda has felt. But this show really was structured to follow the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross stages of grieving, from denial, bargaining and all the way to acceptance And the conclusion of this is, hopefully, moving Wanda to a place where she’s ready to say goodbye to Vision for the last time. That’s why she’s able to say goodbye to him and why she’s able to tuck in the kids.
I imagine similar topics came from people who watched Thunderbolts/Brave New World without having watched Falcon & The Winter Soldier
Edit: I’m sure there were people not knowing who Matt Murdock was when he appeared in No Way Home, Punisher in Brand New Day, etc
Wandavision *wanted* to show Wanda as morally grey but didn't have the stones to go all the way with it when they should have.
Its clear it was the intent, as evidenced by MoM, but Wandavision was too afraid to commit.
Going from processing trauma to bitches be crazy am I right?! with the same character a terrible narrative choice and also was stupid since she was the most popular female character.
As a woman, let me tell you, it pisses me off. Marvel doesn't need to resort to cheap shots when a thoughtful approach was already right there but I guess watching Wandavision was too much to ask for then.
Obviously that didn't turn me into a murderous psycho but I also didn't have the most evil book in existence whispering in my ear telling me the new person I lost was actually out there and able to be saved. or the powers of a goddess
Could it have been handled better, sure. I hate the assumption people have watched all Marvel media that they often make narratively. But I really don't feel like it came out of nowhere or that it makes Wandavision pointless, just that it's part of a longer tragedy.
WandaVision ended on such a hopeful note with those last moments with her and Vision. Then the next time we see her she’s not just kinda *a little* bad. She murders so. many. people.
Yes, they set up corruption. But they also set up a potential for a happy ending. There’s no happy ending for Wanda now. Even if she’s alive or resurrected at some point (surely inevitable), there’s no believable happy reunion with her and Vision. She’s a literal monster.
It’s not that I *hate* it or anything. It’s just…well, sad.
I just have to push back on that. They really didn't set up potential for a happy ending. That post-credits scene in WV was absolutely *screaming* that she was corrupt and about to be on some magickal bullshit. The DarkHold is like the One Ring. Whoever uses it gets corrupted. It happened to Isildur, to Gollum, and to Frodo. Same thing here. The post-credit scene was showing that the DarkHold corrupted Wanda. Game over, gg, fun while it lasted.
You chose to mention the ring, that’s not a bad comparison. Well Frodo is forever damaged by it, will always carry the effects of welding it, and for a moment completely gave in to it, but he never went to a place he couldn’t come back from once it was gone.
Wanda can never have that. She can’t just live a happy life with Vision and her kids. And I don’t think that was some obvious inevitability based on the post credit scene.
Now, maybe you disagree with that. But [watch this](https://youtu.be/vPOv3wgsx1U?si=XxgOwZuNfHlklCcI). Can you honestly tell me it’s not meant to be hopeful?
I have to push back on your push back. It has been a little while since I last watched WandaVision, but wasn't the post-credit scene of her boys in another reality calling out to be rescued? I think it would be a fair assumption to make that, yes, while she was in the early stages of Darkhold corruption, the next part of the story would be her taking the errors she claimed to learn from her behavior in Westview, reining in the Darkhold corruption, and somehow work to some form of a redemption that culminated in her rescuing the boys (and either learning to let them go, or inheriting an orphaned pair from another universe).
There was a "potential" happy ending there... but they went full on, irredeemable villain with her in MoM.
They did it backwards really. Her come down from her magic psychosis should have come after her big villain arc, not before.
Serious talk: was there anything in WandaVision that suggested the Darkhold makes people go crazy? Either way, you could also see the ending of WandaVision as Wanda coming to embrace and understand the true nature of her powers, leading her to have a better control over both them, her emotions, and her grief.
I'm mixed on MoM because on one hand, it felt like a regression of a very cool character, but on the other hand, it was awesome to see her fully powered and able to go all out. Wanda makes for a terrifying villain; I just feel we missed out on a better version of her.
The biggest reason why I dislike what they did with Wanda is because of how many people insisted that she was already a villain in her series. Like... come on. She clearly was going through stuff and probably wasn't fully aware of what she did at first (her not having full control over her powers has been a thing in the comics). And once she realized, she felt so alone that she tried to ignore the truth. And at the end, she willingly gave up her perfect dreamworld just to release all those people. That's the action of a hero.
And then we get to MoM, where she's suddenly a fully blown murderer.
Post-credit scene was pretty crazy. But also, they said it in MoM too.
'I want to see the corruption', why? Why do you need to see it? Is not her being villianous enough? What could her turning corrupt possibly add, plus, is it worth it for the studio to spend resources filming it?
MoM is one of my fav MCU movies.
Edit: classic r/marvelstudios, downvoted by people with 0 imagination.
It was terrible writing coupled with the "girl power" propaganda
The connection between WandaVision and Doctor Strange 2 needed a lot more time in the oven. It's boring at best and lazy at worst.
The entire season is about getting to grips with the issues raised and then MoM completely ignores the resolution of WV and does it all again completely ignoring the ending of WV.
Anyone who doesn't understand this is weird doesn't really understand story telling and is looking through rose colored glasses.
...then she proceeds to forget all about him the next time she shows up. Really, go rewatch Dr Strange 2, you'll notice how she pretty much never mentions Vis at all (besides the "Vis had his theories about the multiverse" line), the conflict is all about her kids instead. So odd how she kinda forgot all about him, like why not look for a reality where not only do your kids exist but your husband does too? So you can all be a happy family together... just a weird writing choice there.
But her kids are not fake. They are real. That’s a rather significant plot point Marvel has carried forward.
Next time you see wanda: i am willing to kill this teenager and anyone else i come across in multiple universes to get my kids back
You don’t feel like there’s a step missing here?
But maybe I'm overestimating how much enslaving an entire town with mindcontrol matters.
2.) She heard the kids calling for "HELP"
3.) How does she go from last hearing her kids calling for help to whatever she was in MOM.
4.) Wanda Vision as a series was opposite of what you can call building to to heel turn, on other hand it took Wanda from unable to process her grief and creating insanity to actually accepting whatever has happened and back to normalcy.
5.) So last time one set of audience watched her it was in Endgame having a friendly conversation with Hawkeye, another set of audience saw her being normal listening to voices of her kids asking for "HELP"
6.) And at the end it can be summarised by a line of Nick Fury in Avengers
**We (audience) recognise that the Council (Feige & Waldron) have made a decision (Wanda Heel turn). But given that it's a stupid-ass decision (what were they thinking), We've elected to ignore it (cue the chain of events post MoM to present).**
Its us missing the descent. We were expecting a slow turn into being evil, not straight up seeing her just hunting down a teen for her powers 5 minutes into her introduction in the movie. The show literally ended with her realising she fucked up
and undoing her mistake, so people aren't gonna expect her to go the same route again.
Especially the post credit scene was just showing her just hearing the kids. Not exactly going evil.
Its the radical shift for a character that most still see as an Avenger, a hero.
The popular fan theory post WV was Strange and Wanda working together and her eventually switching sides with the villain for the kids by being manipulated by the villain. Yk, gradual descent.
Also, Darkhold corrupts is something we are told only after we see Wanda go crazy. It's corruption angle wasn't explored in Wandavision and only people who watched AOS would truly get it.
Then Wanda's villain execution felt one dimensional
1. We already say the exact same arc in Wandavision but multitude times more nuanced and understandable.
2. Finding kids from alternate universe and just replacing their mom with urself feels less convincing
3. She had far less sympathetic motive but her actions were more evil. Hunting down a teen using monsters, murdering people left and right. Talking like Disney Villain. Like I said, too much for a former Avenger who is established to be someone who wants to do good despite her flawed actions.. Darkhold corrupts isn't enough to not make us feel bad about the writing choice
4. Post Wandavision it felt like she was set to be a character similar to Loki, yk, grey character but they just made her straight up a comical villain
The other problem is, it is narratively crap to not show her change at all and just lamely say “book did it”. But the book isn’t even consistent in how it effects people so it’s even worse.
Also the other issue is that Micheal Waldron reallllly wanted to do a story with Wanda as a villain instead of losing that chance to another writer in some other MCU film.
Also the other issue for many is that her turn to villany also felt as if it came out of nowhere, given that post-credit scene aside, the Wanda that we last saw when she left Westview was not the crazed murderous psycho that she would became in Doctor Strange, so there are some that feel like there is a missing page on her book that would shown us that transition to villany. instead of "Oh evil book corrupted her mind, lets move on"
The ending was wanda find peace. After credits must be further elaborate. They are disconnected with main story.
Not even a small flashback of her getting corrupted was shown. It was an extremely jarring tonal shift from the end of wandavision where she admit her faults and leave to dr strange where she is full on corrupted.
I don’t think the post credits scene suffice in any form or way. The least they could have done is shown even just a little of Wanda got corrupted.
So why I saw a Wandavision and saw a woman on the edge giving into temptation they saw a woman trying find answers to fix her mistakes.
None of this happens in WandaVision.
The book that messes with the head of whoever uses it? Not once mentioned in WandaVision, it was a MoM revision. In WandaVision the Darkhold is just a book that contains a prophecy on the Scarlet Witch that Wanda takes to learn more about her magic. There’s NOTHiNG that indicates the book has corruptive traits, especially when Agatha had for it centuries and acts NOTHING like Wanda in MoM.
Wanda looking for her kids? Again contradicts WandaVision, we saw Wanda say goodbye to her kids, she closed off that idea and the writers confirmed that. Even the post credit scene has the kids calling out to Wanda for help, something that has zero bearing on Wanda’s motivation in MoM, she doesn’t think her kids are in imminent danger like the post credit scene implied. Wanda just misses being a mom and is a complete nutter.
Wanda literally avoided killing anyone in WandaVision, she sacrificed her family and Vision again to save the townspeople from herself when she could have kept them enslaved, AND she vowed to learn to control her powers so that she’d never hurt anyone again because she was appalled at what she did.
MoM comes around and Wanda has become a full blown pyscho that murders nearly a hundred people without a single care in the world so she can enact her stupid plan to kidnap her kids from an alt dimension, and the only justification given is a poorly explained book that doesn’t even make sense when you think about it because nothing about the book is ever explained.
Like if Wanda wanted her kids that bad why the fuck didn’t she just create the hex again in the middle of nowhere? It’s stupid, it makes no sense and worst of all MoM is just a shitty repeat of WandaVision, it’s the exact same plot only it makes Wanda a 1000 more irredeemable unless you place the blame completely on the Darkhold as a cop out and in which case why even make Wanda the bad guy?
Honestly MoM should have had Mordo be the bad guy, and had him steal the Darkhold to become uber powerful and hunt strange down across the multiverse.
It's that it was a whole show of Wanda coming to terms with her own pain and the pain she was inflicting on others. A 20-second post-credit scene of her head twitching is NOT a good justification for 90% of viewers who don't know that the super spooky book can make a person go from "I'm so sorry I hurt you all!" to **"I"M GOING TO BREAK YOUR BONES AND BURN YOU ALIVE!!!!"**
Wanda wasn't okay, sure. But she wasn't okay after letting her fake kids go, and Vision, etc. That doesn't make me go "oh yeah now she's literally the most sadistic villain we've seen yet"
You have the benefit of hindsight. Everyone in the moment went "huh??"
If you did watch WandaVision, you were left feeling sorry for her by the end, so the turn to heel made even less sense.
I do not mind Wanda being a villain in this movie, but it just feels so lazy to brush it off just by saying, “Oh yeah, the evil book corrupted her”, while not even properly showing at least a bit of the process of her corruption.
Imagine if Engdame had a post-credits scene where Iron Man pops up and says “nah, just kidding. I’m alive” or if Infinity War had one where the snapped return immediately after the snap.
Sure, the next movies would explain what happened and build upon it, but there would still be massive whiplash. That’s what happened with Wanda. She regrets her actions at the end of WV, just for the Darkhold to completely corrupt her offscreen for MoM, with only a couple of seconds’ worth of post-credits scene to explain it.
Wanda let go at the end of WV. The turnaround feels too immediate. The emotional journey of the series gets kicked to the curb too casually...
I like WV and Dr. Strange but not in direct succession...
At the end she was coming to terms with her grief and loss and coming back to reality. Then all the sudden in what usually is a relatively unimportant post credit scene she has the darkhold?? Such a huge leap from we had seen just a few minutes before. It felt very undeserved.
Then in MoM we get a very brief exposition that the Darkhold makes people evil. For some of us that have seen Agents of Shield and other projects with it we know that makes sense. But again, that knowledge feels lazy and unearned in MoM.
The leap to evil could have been handled better and more tragically to make her a more sympathetic villain imo.
At the end of WandaVision, she has promised to better control her powers so she doesn't hurt people again. You see a SINGLE scene of her messing with the book and hearing her kids voices. Then, the second interaction with Wanda in MoM, she is killing innocent people through mirrors and shit. This is a very jarring shift. The biggest problem people have is that it wouldn't have been difficult to show this shift; MoM is not a short movie and they could have cut any number of scenes to take 5-10 minutes showing her going crazy while messing with the Darkhold.
The reason why there is such a difference in views is some people saw WandaVision, saw the trauma and grief and understood that while she was doing something wrong, grief does crazy things to people and in the end she deleted her lover and children from existence to save everyone (a recurring thing that happens to her). Others just saw her mind control innocents. It's between a tragic character doing villainous things and just a straight up villain. So the single book scene is enough for some, because going from mind control to murder isn't that big of a leap. But to others it was jarring because she was supposed to work on controlling her powers and to make sure that happened in WandaVision and arguably MoM didn't happen. And we were given 5 seconds to explain that.
It didn't feel like a progression of the story, it felt like someone didn't even know Wanadavision existed.
The show is about the stages of grief.
Denial - Wanda inadvertently uses her powers to escape reality and create her own where she’s happy. She is unaware that she is controlling Westview.
Anger - Wanda kicks Monica out/fights with fake Vision. At this point she’s aware that she’s controlling Westview.
Bargaining - Agatha releases the town momentarily. Wanda tries to convince them that they are safe here under her spell. She ultimately lets them go.
Depression - Wanda walks through Westview, with the people glaring her down. This is literally a metaphor for a depressive episode. She knows what she did was wrong. She can’t change it. She has to own it.
Acceptance - “I don’t understand these powers. But I will.” Wanda removes herself from society altogether to try and find herself. Somewhere she can’t be a danger to others.
PER the Darkhold:
Agatha tells her it’s the Book of the Damned, and that there is a whole chapter in it dedicated to the Scarlet Witch. Nowhere, NOT ANYWHERE, is the phrase “this book corrupts the reader” uttered in any way, shape, or form. And sorry not sorry to the AoS fans out there, your show was not MCU canon at the time so your prior knowledge of the book is pointless. Complain about it elsewhere.
PER Monica’s “forgiveness:”
Monica doesn’t forgive Wanda. The townspeople don’t forgive her. Monica explains, more than once in the show, that she understands Wanda. Empathy and forgiveness are NOT the same thing. Her divisive line “They’ll never know what you gave up for them” is NOT forgiveness. It’s Monica seeing “I see you, and I understand.” Again, understanding is NOT forgiveness. Talk to a therapist or read a book if you don’t understand the distinction.
And now, the post credit scene:
Wanda is making herself tea in a peaceful valley far away from anyone. Then we see the Doctor Strange-esque reading of the book, and hear the disembodied voices of her sons cry for help.
Unless the Darkhold has the words, “This book corrupts you if you read it” written across the front, there was NO implication that she was being corrupted in this scene. For all the viewers knew, the soils of Billy and Tommy could have been trapped in some hell dimension or whatever.
The point is that it was vague. And then all of a sudden we had Murder Mommy Wanda in MoM with some half assed “Oh she read the Darkhold…oopsie” dialogue thrown in. Garbage writing.
And I know for a fact the MoM simps and Wanda haters will continue to be obtuse while suckling at the teet of their lord and savior Loki. I just can’t with y’all anymore. Read a book.