MCU Power Hierarchy 2026 - Need help with list
I thought it would be fun to do hierarchy tier list of all the characters in the MCU now that they are all coming together. Here are some rules to the list. **Only the most powerful version of the character is included**.. just too many variables to do them all. There is no ranking inside each class, only that they are all similar in power scale. I've not included characters that haven't actually made a appearance yet or not shown enough abilities yet, such as Franklin Richards, Dr Doom and the Living Tribunal. There are a TON of characters that are not placed yet here that I could use help with. So any characters that you do not see, let me know where you think they should be placed. Also if you see a character out of alignment let me know and WHY they should be somewhere else. Also the class names are something I just came up with. Could probably do better with the names lol.
Have fun!
**Supreme God** - Multiversal God with power over all timelines.
Loki God of Stories,
He Who Remains
**Cosmic High** - Can be everywhere at once within its own universe. Unlimited power. Does not need a physical form but is tied to its own universe.
Arishem,
Eternity,
Watcher,
The Phoenix Force,
**Cosmic Mid** - Universal power and manipulation at its highest levels. Has the ability to destroy the Universe.
Thanos w/ full IG,
Infinite Ultron,
Supreme Strange,
**Cosmic Low** - Can manipulate reality at a universal scale
Galactus,
Ego,
Dormammu
**Omega** - Can destroy worlds at will.
Scarlet Witch,
Prime Odin,
Surter
**Alpha**
Hela,
Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force,
Captain Marvel,
The Eternals
**Beta**
Quicksilver,
Apocalypse,
Gorr,
Thor w/ Strormbreaker,
Mighty Thor,
Star Lord (Celestial),
Ronan w/ Power Stone,
Vision,
Iron Man (Nanotech),
Silvie,
The Ancient One,
Invisible Woman,
**Ultimate**
Ebony Maw,
Professor X,
Magneto,
Hulk,
Hulk Buster,
Fenris,
Cull Obsidian,
Ultron,
The Destroyer,
Malekith (Aether),
Abomination,
**Apex**
Iron Spiderman,
Valkyrie,
War Machine,
Black Panther,
Heimdall,
Wolverine
**Elite**
Captain America,
Yondu,
Gamora,
Ant Man,
Wasp,
Nebula,
Drax,
Groot,
Captain Carter ,
Rocket,
Corvus Glaive ,
Proxima Midnight,
**Peak**
Falcon Captain America,
Hawkeye,
Black Widow
Have fun!
**Supreme God** - Multiversal God with power over all timelines.
Loki God of Stories,
He Who Remains
**Cosmic High** - Can be everywhere at once within its own universe. Unlimited power. Does not need a physical form but is tied to its own universe.
Arishem,
Eternity,
Watcher,
The Phoenix Force,
**Cosmic Mid** - Universal power and manipulation at its highest levels. Has the ability to destroy the Universe.
Thanos w/ full IG,
Infinite Ultron,
Supreme Strange,
**Cosmic Low** - Can manipulate reality at a universal scale
Galactus,
Ego,
Dormammu
**Omega** - Can destroy worlds at will.
Scarlet Witch,
Prime Odin,
Surter
**Alpha**
Hela,
Jean Grey with the Phoenix Force,
Captain Marvel,
The Eternals
**Beta**
Quicksilver,
Apocalypse,
Gorr,
Thor w/ Strormbreaker,
Mighty Thor,
Star Lord (Celestial),
Ronan w/ Power Stone,
Vision,
Iron Man (Nanotech),
Silvie,
The Ancient One,
Invisible Woman,
**Ultimate**
Ebony Maw,
Professor X,
Magneto,
Hulk,
Hulk Buster,
Fenris,
Cull Obsidian,
Ultron,
The Destroyer,
Malekith (Aether),
Abomination,
**Apex**
Iron Spiderman,
Valkyrie,
War Machine,
Black Panther,
Heimdall,
Wolverine
**Elite**
Captain America,
Yondu,
Gamora,
Ant Man,
Wasp,
Nebula,
Drax,
Groot,
Captain Carter ,
Rocket,
Corvus Glaive ,
Proxima Midnight,
**Peak**
Falcon Captain America,
Hawkeye,
Black Widow
Commentaires
For example, how can you put Iron Man even with nanotech at the same level as Thor, who is a god? Stark has no superpower, so basically any person with training can wear Iron man suit. He should be way lower.
For Nano Tech Iron Man, he was very strong man. He was the only one in IW to actually damage Thanos... outside of the Stormbreaker hit at the end. Thor would absolutely be at the top of that class and Iron Man would be closer to the bottom. So Thor would win in a 1V1 straight up fight, but I think with Tony's intelligence and ability to adapt, paired with his best tech suit deserves some recognition.
The "God" title in the MCU doesn't mean a whole lot. Thor was a God in the first Avengers and base Iron Man and Captain America was holding up against him pretty good.
Nobody involved in that fight was taking it seriously, come on now…
Thor was using lighting to attack. They had never met each other. So it wasn't casual but they weren't going 100 percent either.
This is all confirmed by Cap saying “are we done here?” At the end. The clear narrative intention of the scene was that it was just a locker room fight
Thor takes 0 damage and crushes Tony’s suit like a coke can
Yes Thor was holding back. But my point is he's supposed to be a God, so really Iron Man should just get dominated and not land any hits at all. But the word God is thrown around very loosely in the MCU and it doesn't mean someone is going to win in a fight just because the other person isn't a God.
* **Normal** \- Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon
* **Peak Human** \- Cap, Winter Soldier, Black Panther
* **Alpha** \- Spider-Man, Iron Man
* **Omega** \- Storm, Magneto
* **God** \- Thor, Hulk, Apocalypse
* **Cosmic** \- Phoenix, Sentry, Galactus
* **Universal** \- IG Thanos, Dormammu, Eternity
* **Multiversal** \- Watcher, Loki, Franklin (eventually)
* \---
* **Omniversal** \- Stan Lee
Spidey holds his punches almost all the time. I just don't see BP or the super soldiers stopping a train or holding a giant ferry together.
2. Everything else
And Scarlet Witch has never done anything close to “destroying worlds at will.”
They should both be Alpha
There is a lot to unpack with that event. I'll do my best to break it down.
- Thanos was holding back most of the movie. His goal was to get all the stones and to snap, and for it to be random and fair. He wasn't out to kill anyone specifically. What he was doing in his mind was a good thing for the Universe as a whole.
- Thanos was caught off guard in that moment, and could have used the stones in a better way to defend the stormbreaker attack. This was confirmed by the film directors. Had Thanos seen Thor coming, and even knew what Stormbreake was, he could have used the stones to stop time or turn Stormbreaker into a plastic axe. Or he could have just moved lol.
- He fired a random beam of light with the stones. We really have nothing to compare the beam too as it was the only time he used that. We know he was scaling back his attacks in certain moments so he may have done the same thing here. For example, he used a scaled down attack with the power stone to knock Okoye down without killing her.
- Bottom line is it wasn't an actual fight. Thanos had just acquired all 6 and was drained from that. He gets attacked while not looking and doesn't understand what is coming at him because he had no knowledge of Stormbreaker. Thanos fought Thor in End Game and we know how that ended up. Yes he wasn't in his best shape but it wasn't close and that was with Iron Man and Captain American who gained Thors powers helping him. Still no contest. But that version of Thanos was different. He was more serious and not holding back.
The next category up is with Hela and we already know Thor is not on her level... yet.
This is made absolutely obvious by Brolin's performance, and the way the scene is filmed, directed, scored, etc.
Thanos jumps up after he had just been knocked flat on his ass by an unknown weapon. He then fires a sustained, continuous blast using all six stones, aimed directly dead center at Thor.
Thanos yells, grits his teeth, and remains fully strained the entire time. **This is all a blinking neon sign signaling effort.**
Nothing about the scene suggests restraint or weakness or holding anything back. There is no other moment in the movie where we see him try so hard or look so determined.
The only significance to him being caught by surprise was that he didn't have time to think of a trick or alternate way to use the stones (such as stopping time or teleporting).
The Russos explicitly said: "maybe he could have used the Stones in a different way had he understood what that weapon was, but it came out of nowhere."
They say in the same interview that “Stormbreaker can certainly counteract the Infinity Gauntlet.”
No qualifier, no footnote, no asterisk. No “if Thanos isn’t trying” or “only if it’s a weak beam.” Just a flat statement.
**If you listen to their commentary about this moment, literally all they say is "look at how powerful this ax is."**
Nothing about Thanos holding back or anything like it. No qualifiers or asterisks to this feat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad8j8q-7Azo
The Russos also explicitly called Stormbreaker "the greatest weapon ever made."
“The Thanos-killing weapon”
The thing that gives Thor “what he needs to win the film”
The weapon that “solves the film”
Again, no asterisk, no qualifier, no “if Thanos isn’t trying” or “the beam was weak.” Just flat, absolute statements.
This is also the entire narrative point of Thor’s storyline.
Thor spends the whole movie forging a weapon specifically to defeat Thanos at full power.
Stormbreaker was built by the same creator, from the same materials, using the same principles as the gauntlet, and was explicitly designed to be stronger.
Thor shows up at the end and he succeeds, and defeats the completed infinity gauntlet. It's a triumphant moment, but then there's the tragedy, where Thor lets his emotions win and it ends up costing everything.
If the beam were weak, partial, or Thanos not really trying, the entire scene collapses. There’s no tragedy, no irony, no lesson.
If it’s just a weak beam or Thanos was flustered, then the meaning of the scene becomes “oh Thanos is strong and tanked the ax.”
**The whole reason to even show the beam and emphasize the beam is to say very clearly “holy shit Thor beat all six infinity stones at the same time!”**
Again, it’s a blinking neon sign. **The scene is about Thor, about his incredible power and simultaneous human weakness. It’s not about Thanos being a tank or not trying.**
>The next category up is with Hela and we already know Thor is not on her level... yet.
I would say it's absolutely clear that Stormbreaker Thor is on Hela's level. Remember, in Ragnarok, he had no weapon fighting her, and was also focused on rescuing all the Asgardians.
Now, he has the "greatest weapon ever made" that overpowered all six infinity stones effortlessly.
Stormbreaker is also explicitly referred to by Eitri, in the movie itself, as the greatest weapon in Asgard's history, which means it's even greater than Gungnir. Absolutely would put him above Hela.
Another data point is that you have Captain Marvel in Alpha, and we saw in one of the What If episodes that Phase 1 Thor and Captain Marvel were evenly matched (Thor was not even taking the fight seriously either). Go take a look yourself.
For another data point, in Marvel Zombies, Thor and full-power Scarlet Witch were portrayed as evenly matched, and this was basically Endgame Thor (depressed and hadn't fought in five years) AND he didn't even have a weapon.
You make some good points on why Thor should be in a class higher so I'll consider that. But we just don't agree on the "Stormbreaker Thor can beat Thanos with the full IG" narrative. But I'll respond to a few points you made.
> he definitely was not holding back during that moment with Thor. That was a full effort, totally fair 1v1 of raw power vs. raw power.
So he was holding back the entire time, then suddenly at the end decided not to hold back? That doesn't make any sense and it doesn't match his character and motives, which I already explained. Again Thanos was attacked while not looking or prepared. He didn't know Thor was there or what Stormbreaker was. He fired a random beam in a split second decision and Stormbreaker cut through it. He could have just moved. He has enough ability to be able to just dodge it. I'm not going to get into Thanos yelled and neon signs lol, you're really reaching there.
> The Russos explicitly said: "maybe he could have used the Stones in a different way had he understood what that weapon was, but it came out of nowhere." They say in the same interview that “Stormbreaker can certainly counteract the Infinity Gauntlet.”
Yes that's exactly what happened. The 2nd statement doesn't make much sense when you think about it. The IG is just a tool to harness all 6 stones at once. The infinity Stones are a universal weapon that can reality warp, stop and rewind time and destroy planets. He could have used them in a much better way to stop the attack. Stombreaker is a very strong weapon. One of the strongest in the entire MCU and that's why it was able to cut through that beam. Thanos was caught off guard and didn't expect that and that's why the attack worked.
Try to look at it this way, if you can. Thor and Thanos line up to fight. They are 25 yards away to start. There is no one else there. Thanos knows what Stormbreaker is in this fight. Both are serious and not holding back. Thanos is going to close his fist and dust Thor in a second before he has a chance to do anything. Or stop time. Or make himself invisible. Or turn Stormbreaker into bubbles. Or turn Thor into blocks for fun. It's not even a contest when he has the full Infinity Gauntlet while being fully aware of the fight and is not holding back.
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>So he was holding back the entire time, then suddenly at the end decided not to hold back? That doesn't make any sense and it doesn't match his character and motives, which I already explained.
it makes **perfect sense**, because Thor was the only one who caught him by surprise!
His reaction to Thor was clearly a **panic** reaction. The Russos themselves, as you noted, confirmed that Thanos had no idea what was attacking him!
Just rewatch the scene! Thanos is knocked **flat on his ass**, then immediately jumps up, aims dead center right at Thor, and just **blasts** him.
He yells, grits his teeth, his entire body is strained. Every single thing about that scene conveys **fear and effort**.
Why even show him using all six stones if he was holding anything back? Why not show him just using the power stone or the space stone like he did with the others?
The obvious message being conveyed to the audience is “Thanos is hitting Thor with everything’s he got.”
Watch the commentary again by the Russos. They don’t say anything about Thanos holding back, or being weak, or anything. Just “look how powerful that ax is.” The narrative intent is 100% clear.
If you don’t believe me, imagine how this scene would have to be changed if the intent were to convey Thanos as holding back.
He’d probably have a calmer expression, he wouldn’t grit his teeth or make any noises. He’d probably only use one stone, and he’d probably do more than just stand there blasting a beam in a panic. He wouldn’t be visibly strained.
And as I said, the point of this scene is not about Thanos, it’s about **Thor**. The whole point of this scene is that Thor had this amazing triumph but fumbled it at the end.
This scene makes **no sense** narratively if it was a weak beam or if Thanos wasn’t trying. There’s no irony or tragedy to this scene if it didn’t begin as Thor’s unequivocal victory.
The entire meaning of this scene falls apart if it was just “oh Thanos wasn’t even trying.” The scene becomes absolutely meaningless.
Why spend Thor’s whole storyline for the whole movie building this weapon if Thanos was not going to try anyway?
These movies are simple blockbusters, they’re meant to be taken at face value.
The plain reading of this scene is that Thor overpowered all six infinity stones with Stormbreaker, and that it was **Thor’s mistake** that let Thanos win, not anything lacking with Thanos.
>He could have just moved. He has enough ability to be able to just dodge it.
The fact that he *didn’t move* is part of what conveys *panic and effort*.
If he was holding back, or had any time to think about anything at all, he could’ve tried to dodge it or do something else, but he didn’t.
He got surprised, and then just hit back on instinct. He didn’t have **any time or reason to hold anything back**.
Why would he hold anything back? He had no idea what this weapon was, and it was flying straight toward him! The Russos themselves said this!
And no, I’m sorry, but I’m absolutely not reaching for anything. With all due respect, it’s a reach to argue he was holding back or not trying, when literally every single filmmaking element about this scene is very clearly conveying panic and effort.
Again, imagine what this scene would *actually* look like if he really wasn’t trying, or was holding anything back.
It would be obvious if he was holding back. These movies are made for even children to understand on first viewing.
The face-value, plain reading of this scene is that Thor kicked Thanos’s ass but then his own mistake cost him the victory.
>Yes that's exactly what happened. The 2nd statement doesn't make much sense when you think about it. The IG is just a tool to harness all 6 stones at once. The infinity Stones are a universal weapon that can reality warp, stop and rewind time and destroy planets. He could have used them in a much better way to stop the attack.
The 2nd statement makes perfect sense. That’s what Stormbreaker was made for, to overpower the infinity gauntlet.
Joe Russo himself called Stormbreaker “the greatest weapon ever made.”
We’ve got several statements from the Russos and the writers that Stormbreaker was specifically designed by Eitri to overcome the infinity gauntlet.
Why are you all so surprised when Stormbreaker does exactly what it was designed for?
Now granted, I do not believe Thanos was trying anything other than shooting the raw energy of the stones in that beam (he wasn’t trying any specific application of the stones).
And perhaps a specific application of the stones might’ve been able to do something.
But the point is, Stormbreaker was made to defeat the full gauntlet, that was the whole purpose of that storyline, and that’s exactly what it did.
And defeating the full, raw energy of all six infinity stones combined has got to put this feat up at the tippy tippy top of raw power feats we’ve seen in the MCU, come on.
It’s just crazy to me how people downplay this like it wasn’t explicitly portrayed as the greatest triumph against Thanos in the whole damn movie.
This was the moment Thor almost single-handedly killed Thanos and saved the whole universe, come on now.
>Stombreaker is a very strong weapon. One of the strongest in the entire MCU and that's why it was able to cut through that beam.
Not just one of the strongest. Joe Russo explicitly called it “the greatest weapon ever made.” Do you want me to link you the video so you can hear it yourself?
>Thanos was caught off guard and didn't expect that and that's why the attack worked.
Again, the significance to being caught off guard was that he didn’t try any tricks.
He was still trying. there is not a single thing about that scene that doesn’t convey full effort. And everything that the Russos and the writers have ever said about it backs this up.
For your example at the end, you are talking about a specific application of the stones, which, yes, Thanos can definitely do things to himself or to the environment with the stones, and maybe even to Stormbreaker.
But Stormbreaker was specifically designed to be able to counteract the gauntlet. We have multiple statements about this both in the movie itself and off-screen from the various creators.
I don’t know that there’s much Thanos can do to actually stop Stormbreaker itself if it’s coming right at him, especially because specific application of the stones requires *some level* of focus and concentration.
I just rewatched the fight scene on Titan, which is the most we see Thanos actually using the stones in battle. He has to make very quick decisions moment to moment.
He might not have the time or wherewithal to do anything but blast at it if Stormbreaker is just boomeranging right at him the way Thor tends to use his weapons.
Watch the Titan scene again. All of those much-lower level characters were able to get hits on Thanos, and you think Thor with Stormbreaker wouldn’t be able to?
This is not to mention that Thor himself has also shown at least some resistance to the effects of infinity stones.
In the beginning of IW, he tanks the power stone being burned directly into his head, and then a few minutes later survives being at the center of an explosion of the power stone.
And in TDW, Thor walks right through a vortex of the reality stone while it’s warping the entire universe, and literally nothing happens to him.
But the point here is…regardless of how specific application of the stones might work, what we saw at the end of IW was Stormbreaker vs. the *raw energy* of the stones, and Thanos was certainly putting effort into that blast.
If they’re in a battle to the death, one where Thor is coming at him with everything he’s got, the result might end up being very similar, with Thanos just blasting. Again, in the Titan scene, much lower characters were able to get clean hits on Thanos.
And I’ll say it again here: the clear intention of that scene was “Holy shit Thor overpowered all six stones combined.”
Nothing about that scene is supposed to get the audience thinking that Thanos was holding back or that there was some qualifier to this feat. It’s exactly what it appears to be, these are movies meant for even children to be able to understand. It’s doing too much and overthinking it to go any further than that.
You just proved my point lol. The attack worked because it surprised Thanos. The end.
Honestly man you're just repeating yourself and I don't find anything in your response that compelling to keep this discussion going. We just don't agree and that's fine.
It was fun and I always enjoy a good debate. Thor is one of my favorites so I'm excited to see him back in Doomsday. Have a good night.
That’s not *why* it worked. It was going to work regardless. Stormbreaker was specifically made to counter the full infinity gauntlet. This is said in the movie and by the creators, multiple times.
All the surprise did was make it an effortless stomp for Thor. But Stormbreaker would beat the power of the gauntlet anyway, that’s literally what it was designed to do.
I just explained how in a real battle, we’d see something like what happened on Titan, only much more brutal, because both characters would be fighting with these insane, Nidavellir-made weapons.
Again, you think Tony, the Guardians, and Peter Parker can land hits on Thanos and Thor with Stormbreaker can’t?
That's not stated in the movie man. Yes the directors said it once (which doesn't make sense) but they also said the attack worked because he was caught off guard.
Stormbreaker was hyped up as a Kings weapon that can kill Thanos. And it could. So yeah everyone thought that he had killed him. Was a huge moment. We get it. It CANNOT overpower all 6 infinity stones if they are used correctly. Please acknowledge that or there is 0 percent chance of us continuing to talk.
What your really missing here is that the IG is just a TOOL. It's not a weapon per se. It's only meant to hold the stones in one place so they can all be used at once. The stones are just as powerful in a different device made to do the same thing such as the Nano Tech IG. The Infinity Stones are a universal weapon with unlimited capabilities when all paired together. As strong as Stormbreaker is, it can only be used in a few ways. Fly, lightning, throw it and bi frost. The stones can be used in endless amounts of ways that could of helped Thanos win that encounter had he been prepared.
Like I said before, line them up 25 yards away with no sneak attack and full knowledge of each other and see who wins. You know who wins.
**In the commentary, while watching the film:**
-The Russos repeatedly refer to Stormbreaker as the weapon that "solves the film", "wins the film", the "Thanos killing weapon." I have listened through the entire commentary for the whole movie. If you'd like the link, I can provide it to you.
-Notably, they do not ever, not even once, mention Thanos being caught off guard or not trying, or anything like that during the scene.
-The exact commentary during this moment is: "Look at how powerful this ax is. The man who made the gauntlet and the ax provided Thor with the weapon that could defeat the gauntlet."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad8j8q-7Azo
**Then, we have from interviews:**
-Joe Russo: "[Stormbreaker] is the greatest weapon ever made."
-Joe Russo: "[Stormbreaker] certainly has the ability to counteract the Infinity Gauntlet."
-Stephen McFeeley: (when asked how Stormbreaker could slice through the full power of the infinity gauntlet): "I imagine it might have something to do with the fact that the same guy made both of them." (Christopher Markus: Eitri can make what he likes for whom he likes).
**Eitri in the movie says: "It's a mold. A king's weapon. Meant to be the greatest in Asgard."**
Remember, Nidavellir is one of the nine
realms. Asgard is their ruling kingdom. This is the greatest weapon Eitri has ever designed.
I think the crystal-clear intention, taking all of these things put together, is that Stormbreaker was designed by Eitri to be the greatest weapon ever, even greater than the infinity gauntlet, and all of the statements by the creators back this up.
I don't know how you get any clearer than "Stormbreaker is the greatest weapon ever made."
Again, the only significance to being caught off guard was that Thanos couldn't try a trick (like stopping time or teleporting away).
-Anthony Russo: “Maybe he could have used the Stones in a different way had he understood what that weapon was, but it came out of nowhere.”
-Anthony Russo: "Thanos didn't know what that weapon was. He didn't know what he was up against." (Joe Russo: "And Eitri made both.")
>It CANNOT overpower all 6 infinity stones if they are used correctly. Please acknowledge that or there is 0 percent chance of us continuing to talk.
I have acknowledged already that I think Thor's hit against Thanos was a perfect storm of conditions for it to be a clean one-shot. Thanos being caught by surprise means it turned into just raw power v. raw power, and Stormbreaker has the gauntlet beat in raw power.
For specific application of the gauntlet, I think it's going to depend on what Thanos is doing. We have seen that **Thor himself** is resistant to effects from the infinity stones (reality stone, power stone) so I don't see why Thor's ultimate Thanos-killing weapon, powered by Thor's own powers, wouldn't be resistant to these things too.
And I don't see anything about any of the stuff I provided to you above that suggests that Stormbreaker is only overpowering the gauntlet if it's a blast of raw power.
I just see "greatest weapon ever made", "can certainly counteract the gauntlet", "the weapon that could defeat the gauntlet."
>What you’re really missing here is that the IG is just a TOOL. It's not a weapon per se. It's only meant to hold the stones in one place so they can all be used at once.
I totally agree with this, but this is also exactly how Stormbreaker works. Stormbreaker is just a vessel and channel for Thor's powers (and the Bifrost as an extra bonus).
What we're really talking about here is Thor's powers vs. the power of the six infinity stones. And we already have on-screen proof of Thor's high resistance (with just his own body) to the specific effects from the stones. Thor + this crazy weapon designed to be even greater than the gauntlet...I don't think it's a leap at all.
>The stones are just as powerful in a different device made to do the same thing such as the Nano Tech IG.
They're just as powerful but clearly much *more damaging and difficult to use* in the nanotech gauntlet.
The difference between the actual infinity gauntlet and the nanotech gauntlet is that the original was meant to withstand repeated use, switching between multiple stones and also using multiple stones, or all stones, at the same time.
We see that Thanos is able to use the original comfortably for the entire movie, then is able to do the snap, then is able to destroy the stones, and even after all that, the gauntlet, while damaged, is still completely intact at the beginning of Endgame.
Your point is a testament to how strong and amazing the nanotech gauntlet was, absolutely, that it was able to compete with the Uru metal even for this very short-time use. *But it still gets totally destroyed after two uses.*
>As strong as Stormbreaker is, it can only be used in a few ways. Fly, lightning, throw it and bi frost. The stones can be used in endless amounts of ways that could have helped Thanos win that encounter had he been prepared.
Again, we have on-screen proof that **Thor himself** has high resistance to the effects of at least two of the infinity stones, so I really don't think it's a huge leap to say Thor + crazy weapon that fully maximizes Thor's powers = able to overpower whatever the gauntlet throws at him.
>Like I said before, line them up 25 yards away with no sneak attack and full knowledge of each other and see who wins. You know who wins.
I'll point it out again: if Iron Man, the GOTG, and Spiderman can all get clean hits on Thanos even when he's using specific application of the stones, Thor with Stormbreaker would be absolutely insane.
Thor v. Thanos in a real fight like this is going to look like a much more brutal version of the heroes fighting Thanos on Titan.
I don't think Thor would be able to just one-shot Thanos, of course not, but Stormbreaker vs. Infinity Gauntlet is going to, in all likelihood, be a totally even fight.
Look, we can just agree to disagree on this specific point, that's fine.
Regardless, this feat still clearly puts Thor the least at the same level as Hela (Stormbreaker > Gungnir), as do the points I mentioned already about how Thor (even in various states of weakness and handicap) was portrayed in parity with Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch.
> I think the crystal-clear intention, taking all of these things put together, is that Stormbreaker was designed by Eitri to be the greatest weapon ever, even greater than the infinity gauntlet, and all of the statements by the creators back this up.
Asgard is not the entire Universe. Eitri said it was the greatest weapon in Asgard. Cool. Asgard is one place out of infinite amount of places in the Universe. You're using that statement to project it out like he said the entire Universe. Now, Stormbreaker probably is one of the greatest weapons for sure in the Universe. No argument there. But it is NOT a universal scale type of weapon. The Infinity Stones ARE. There is no comparison between them.
> But it still gets totally destroyed after two uses.
It was only used once. And it was fine. There is no evidence at all that suggests it could only be used one more time before not working.
> Again, we have on-screen proof that Thor himself has high resistance to the effects of at least two of the infinity stones, so I really don't think it's a huge leap to say Thor + crazy weapon that fully maximizes Thor's powers = able to overpower whatever the gauntlet throws at him.
Thor is very durable so he's going to be able to take shots from the stones better than most. Thanos demonstrated the ability to scale back his attacks the entire time, either to not kill anyone, or to just inflict enough damage to get what he wants, which is what happened when he put the power stone to Thor's face in order to make Loki give up the space stone. To use that to then draw a conclusion that Thor can now overpower anything the IG with all 6 stones can throw at him is laughable.
> I'll point it out again: if Iron Man, the GOTG, and Spiderman can all get clean hits on Thanos even when he's using specific application of the stones, Thor with Stormbreaker would be absolutely insane.
Lol no it wouldn't. Bro I get that your a huge Thor fan and you biases and headcannon is way off the charts hereand you gotta settle down with these statements. Thor with Stormbreaker fought Thanos in End Game and got beat badly, WITH the help of Iron Man and Captain who gained Thor's powers, and Thanos didn't have the IG. Now before you write 10 paragraphs on Thor being out of shape, know this. You cannot compare an Asgardian God of Thunder to a regular human being when it comes to being out of shape. No he wasn't in his best condition, but he's still Thor, and still had Stormbreaker. And whatever he may have been lacking, having the help of two other Avengers (one who gains Thor's powers) more than makes up for it. Also Thanos was holding back on Titan like he was the entire movie. Thanos in end game has different motives and fights more seriously.
> I don't think Thor would be able to just one-shot Thanos, of course not, but Stormbreaker vs. Infinity Gauntlet is going to, in all likelihood, be a totally even fight.
Lol that is an absurd statement to make. Truly impressive the love and hype you have for this character. I respect it on some levels even though it's ridiculous.
Anyway, I think they both belong on the Alpha level. Marvel Zombies portrayed them as equally matched and that was basically the weakened nerfed Endgame Thor (and with no weapon) against a fully powered chaos magic Wanda.
Same thing with Phase 1 Thor portrayed as equally matched to Captain Marvel in What If.
I think that’s more than enough proof of creator intention with these characters.
Forgot to respond to this part. SW may not be able to destroy them at will. But given what we saw the last time we saw her, I think she still belongs in this class. With her full powers and using the darkhold, she can dreamwalk to any universe she wants and wreck major havoc. If she wanted to destroy a planets I don't see anyone being really being able to stop her most of the time.
That was her whole storyline in MoM, that she needed to get America Chavez’s powers to be able to do that sort of thing. But she never got those powers, and she never demonstrated any feats on that level.
A lot of the characters on my list have abilities in theory that have not been shown yet. Such as Loki being in the top class even though we haven't seen exactly what he can do yet. But you can connect some dots and see a path for them doing certain things. Given her abilites shown paired with the darkhold and showing how effortless it was for her to dream walk and still have all her powers while doing it... not a stretch to think she could do this if she really wanted too.
Then certainly Thor should be up there too; you think we’re not going to get Odinforce or Rune King Thor before Hemsworth leaves?
And you could do this with all the characters, really, because everyone has power creep in the comics.
It’s just not fair to do it for some characters and not others. You either have to consider everyone’s potential, in which case power creep will make this list meaningless, or just do the simple thing and consider what’s actually happened on screen.
>Given her abilites shown paired with the darkhold and showing how effortless it was for her to dream walk and still have all her powers while doing it... not a stretch to think she could do this if she really wanted too.
But she never has, and at least for now, she’s dead. What if she never appears ever again? Then you’re giving her credit for things she never did
If you don't think SW can destroy a planet if she wanted too, then that's fine. It can't be proven since she's not done it. It's just my opinion that she could.
Quick check - Didn't Infinity Ultron destroy all life in his Universe and then went through multiple universes to reach the Watcher?
Shouldn't he be higher on the list.
His portrayal as the antagonist is probably the best across the MCU. He was ruthless and precise.
Looks like you are correct. My memory is a little hazy though. How did he gain access to the Watchers dimension and other universes? The Infinity Stones only work in their own universe.
Guess he's going to have to Cosmic High tier?
Phase 4. Even infinity war and Endgame suffered from people making shows/movies without actually communicating for lore continuity.
Earliest example I can think of was all of Taika's stuff for Ragnarok needing to be reshot in Infinity War for Thor.
SW with the Darkhold... very powerful combo and I think it could be enough to destroy some worlds. Earth has enough heroes to probably defend it. But other planets that don't have a bunch of heroes protecting it? Different story and with her dreamwalking abilities she can go to universes that are weaker.
Surter did destroy a world, be it a small one in Asgard. What if he did the same giant flaming sword stab on Earth? What would happen? It wouldn't explode I don't think but it wouldn't be good lol. Would it be enough to knock the Earth of it's axis and cause major destruction? Maybe. What if he did it to a much smaller planet?