Brave New World has one of the worst soundtracks in a Marvel Movie
I just watched the movie for the first time today and man... the soundtracks are so distractingly BAD. It sounds like stock footage and half of them don't even feel like they belong to the scene. How did we go to the incredible days of Henry Jackman to this?
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Glad we at least still regularly get Michael Giacchino (and tbh if it's not already confirmed I feel like Silvestri is very likely scoring Doomsday/Secret Wars)
The Marvels was bland in comparison.
You can't be serious. Respect to Silvestri because of BTTF and Forrest Gump, but come on. For Superhero movies Danny Elfman has done Spider-Man, Hulk, Batman, Dr Strange and both Avengers and Justice League. This man's music can be heard virtually everywhere if we're going to use hyperbole. You'll hear his stuff at a Disney, Universal AND a Six Flags theme park.
but for me personally, when Alan Silvestri returned for Infinity War AND Endgame, it was like being born again.
My favourite bit of trivia from that soundtrack (that I've not seen anyone else talk about) is how there's a moment in it that feels 100% plagiarized from another major Disney franchise soundtrack. I'll link the moment here, see if you can identify it before checking under the spoiler tag.
2 minutes 10 seconds into Darkest of Intentions (Brian Tyler):
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYo9QjqNZzU&list=OLAK5uy\_mbq8uQkzJnc4jAVHHTcOMY6Z4MG38KgEM&t=130s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYo9QjqNZzU&list=OLAK5uy_mbq8uQkzJnc4jAVHHTcOMY6Z4MG38KgEM&t=130s)
Answer below:
>!It's nearly identical to a recurring leitmotif from, in my opinion, one of the most underrated Zimmer scores, Pirates of the Caribbean At Worlds End. It can be heard all across the soundtrack, but in an almost identical tempo at the start of I See Dead People:!<
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In an example similar to yours, Brian Tyler (partly) did the music for Age of Ultron and got to bring in his main track from Iron Man 3. On the other hand though, when composers for the same franchise switch over, bringing back previous music seems to be the exception rather than the norm. Hell, even getting a brief reprise of an older theme (like Mark Mothersbaugh did for the Thor 1 and 2 themes in Ragnarok) for a brief "cameo" essentially feels like a special treat when it rarely happens.
But then other choices are even stranger. Why didn't Gunn get Tyler Bates back for GotG 3 when he was SO consistent on ever other aspect of those movies? Mark Mothersbaugh matched Taika Waititi's weird so well for Ragnarok, but then Waititi dropped him on Love and Thunder in favour of... Michael Giacchino?
At least he stayed on for all three Spideys, Beck did all three Ant-Mans, Alan Silvestri seems pretty locked now in for any Avengers stuff, and I cannot imagine a world where Coogler doesn't bring back Ludwig Gorranson for the third Black Panther.
I come back to this video all the time because film scores in general have gotten weaker over the years. Part of it is how films are edited now, using “temp music” to basically complete scenes before the actual composer had even touched the film. Elfman talks about this a lot and how to most composers imitating other composers has become a bane of their existence.
Trying to compare MCU scores that were barely 7-8 years old to the likes of John Williams or classic themes like James Bond that are 50+ years old, didnt make any sense.
The video would've been much better trying to make a more general observation of modern scores but they decided to single out the MCU because it was popular to shit on those scores at that time, even though you can poke holes in that choice.
Ironically the MCU is probably responsible for the only widely memorable theme in the last 20 years.
Before temp music, the composer could watch the film without music, or be told in detail what the film is about, characters, and such, and they can make themes that get interwoven throughout the films. Indiana Jones and fantastic example of this. The Indy theme is prevalent throughout all 5 films intentionally.
I think the spontaneousness of film scores has been lost because of temp music or because directors think it shouldn’t be noticed. And I also think the uniqueness of film scores has been lost also to temp music. One thing the video doesn’t touch on is that with temp music a film now has a score that might cover 5 different genres and asking a composer to imitate 5 different genres just makes all the music bland and gross. Allowing a composer to world build for you through their music is something I deeply miss in films.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSHmKU0t7w
*The Hulkbuster pulled you off?!!*
We watched 3 on Christmas Day at work this holiday season and I've been jamming to that ever since. It makes me want to dust off my vintage 70s electric organ and jam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitmotif
In each of the three Iron Man movies, there's been a main theme for the character. In Iron Man, it's Driving With the Top Down (absolutely fantastic, would have loved if it stayed his theme throughout the MCU):
https://youtu.be/RvFXOlvEJbY
In Iron Man 2, its "I Am Iron Man", which in fairness to you was barely used in favour of AC/DC, and tbh is pretty weak compared to the other ones:
https://youtu.be/sK81B9G8y1M
And in Iron Man 3, we got the very originally named "Iron Man 3 Main Theme", which is pretty great and got used in Age of Ultron as well:
https://youtu.be/Ido-a1W8sN8
Thor: https://youtu.be/FjlSBZb9oMk
Dark World: https://youtu.be/dQAYaM6-L7M
Ragnarok: https://youtu.be/G22gUee8ijU
I am seeing common elements between all three, more so than I thought before, but it's still a different "tune" for each one.
But also the opening with Yelena fighting the OXE guys in the hallway
The "I'm here you're not alone" scene
Or the mid-credits, i can't forget any of the score
Edit: Shortlist, not nomination
Sure give characters like Wanda and Loki a show, but who the fuck at Disney was hitting the crack pipe so hard to think turning our new Caps first movie into a streaming show was a good idea. Like idc what anyone says Iron Man was the face of the MCU but Cap was the main character. Every movie in his trilogy influences more projects around them than any other characters, and he's literally the bookend of the Infinity Saga.
I also find it absolutely hilarious that FatWS was criticised for feeling like it was a movie stretching so hard to fit into a 6 episode runtime, and that it felt like it was reshot to all hell, and Marvel's reaction to that was to say "don't worry we hear you, we'll still reshoot it to all hell but the next one will be a movie...plus we got the director of Cloverfield Paradox on board!". Absolutely maddening decision making.
You would think they had learned their lesson after trainwrecks like Quantumania and Love & Thunder. But no, this had to come out the same year as Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four, dragging down their box office and general interest in the MCU again.
I feel like I was baited in by the main theme and a few select other pieces like Carseat Drivers for example but a massive chunk of it either felt Giacchino Spider-Man OSTs wearing a retro futurism skin, or just typical blockbuster orchestra soundtrack. Just do a mental exercise and see if you agree with me: listen through it, and if you take out the 'ah oh ah oh' vocals, and take out the synths aren't you basically left with a pretty similar (if not dead on) OST to the Spider-Man movies he scored?
Like I'm serious there's so many tracks in there that have these cool unique sonics that stand out on first listen, but just dig a little deeper and you'll find (at least in my case) that rather than being wholly unique they're more just placed on-top of an OST I've already heard 3 times over in the MCU. I do think it's a great score, but I find the actual arrangements WAAY too similar to his Spider-Man stuff to really give the F4 its own sonic identity. The brass instrumentation throughout is really not trying to cover it's tracks at all and sound absolutely ripped out of Homecomings soundtrack.
I just found the whole thing disappointing personally cause I went into it expecting it to lean more towards Incredibles which sounds completely different top to bottom than any OST Giacchino has done for an MCU project. Instead I ended up getting an OST that uses interesting sounds as set-dressing rather than being that completely unique soundtrack I was hoping for. And don't get me wrong some tracks like I mentioned do sound completely new and fresh like the main theme, the talk show jingle and the carseat track, but he doesn't seem to commit to that sound fully, and more often than not just reverts back to the usual big budget orchestration sound with some tiny flourishes added on top.
but oscar shortlisted though so clearly im not the only one who feels this way
BNW is easily one of the worst and most forgettable music score of all time
F4’s score was also fantastic (heh) and I hate that out of three Marvel movies, two of which were leagues better than BNW, BNW got any kind of nomination.