What did Reed Richards try to do

IN Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness???

I'm not talking about him telling Wanda about Black Bolt's powers but after Wanda erased Black Bolt's mouth and made him explode from the inside, what was he trying to do when he extended his noodle arm towards Wanda?

He obviously knew that she was faster than her and that she was telekinetic and could warp reality...

His fist wasn't even clutched. He reached towards her with an open palm. I really want to know what the director/filmmaker/whoever decided on that move intended...

Was he even trying to defeat her?

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xDURPLEx2026-01-09 02:47

I think Sue Storm was sitting in the empty chair invisible and used the same tech we saw Kang and the TVA use to reverse everyone back to life after Wanda left. That whole scene was the Illuminati gathering information and tricking Wanda into leaving. They'll all be back in Doomsday.

Demomanx2026-01-09 02:51

I swear if this actually happens.

skeetgw22026-01-09 02:52

Gonna honest I’m saving it just incase LOL

_IratePirate_2026-01-09 15:06

Why in the hell would that happen. Those characters served their purpose. There is no need for them to come back

EnigmaFrug08172026-01-09 16:55

Fan service.

Palmquistador2026-01-09 03:39

I don’t remember anyone being brought back in the TVA..? You mean when Loki time travelled?

splickety-lit2026-01-09 10:03

Same here. The tech that Kang and the TVA used.. so could be from Quantumania, Loki or Deadpool.

I don't remember Kang or the TVA bringing anybody back to life though in any of those.

TheSuperiorJustNick2026-01-09 11:45

Reed Teleports in using a blue version of the TVA's temp pad portals.

Reed and Kang are intimately connected in the comics especially tech wise.

I don't really believe in this theory. But it is interesting to think about, especially since the original after credit scene was going to be of a computer monitor as you see a stretchy hand grab a mug of coffee next to it, implying the real Reed Richards is watching and studying.

Stranggepresst2026-01-10 00:07

> Reed Teleports in using a blue version of the TVA's temp pad portals.

But those didn't bring anybody back to life

TheSuperiorJustNick2026-01-10 08:46

He who remains literally interacted with Loki after his death through the same concept Try thinking about it for 2 seconds.

Bonus point: Reed Richards inclusion in the Illuminati scenes was a last minute decision. The original end credit scene was going to be John Krasinski's Reed Richard monitoring the fight with Wanda from a computer.

Pure_Gonzo2026-01-09 03:41

this is nonsense

threemo2026-01-09 04:52

Honestly so bad hahaha

CaptainXakari2026-01-09 03:47

They have their universe’s time stone and they’re aware of how they didn’t need the infinity stones to defeat Thanos where our Avengers did. They could easily bring everyone back to life.

BGTheHoff2026-01-09 05:31

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Doctor_moose022026-01-09 05:39

he saw one way with who they had. Other universe had a whole other cacophony of characters which leads to other outcomes being possible

Senshado2026-01-09 05:47

A. Doctor Strange looked at 14 million possibilities and stopped as soon as he got one that was successful. There might've been more if he kept going.

B. Doctor Strange was looking for ways their team could beat Thanos. A different team including Reed Richards and Charles Xavier might have different options.

pushingbrown2026-01-10 04:46

It's also likely that Strange was only looking forward from that particular moment in that particular universe. A reality that branched off prior to his search could have different outcomes.

imarvelentertainment2026-01-09 06:45

Saw one way in that universe. On Earth-838 he used the Darkhold to dreamwalk to find a way to beat Thanos (and caused an incursion while doing so), then used the Book of Vishanti to actually do so. He was executed by Black Bolt after that as punishment and because he had become a multiversal threat from the use of the Darkhold but was painted as having sacrificed himself in the fight by the other members of the team.

PixelBrother2026-01-09 09:39

I believe it was 1 in 14,000,005 chance right?

Well there’s a lot of chances in the infinite multiverse.

jtfjtf2026-01-09 06:37

I like this theory. This is what I believe in now.

sonofaresiii2026-01-09 16:53

They need to bring back marvel one shots to make this a reality. Those one shots were great for cleaning up decisions that didn't land with the fans in order to open up better future opportunities

This would be perfect for it

Wolv902026-01-09 13:55

Seriously, Mordo turned back time, got them all up to speed, and said, "I told you so".

sharksnrec2026-01-09 21:42

Yeah your explanation is way better than the other guy’s. We’re saying Sue just sat there in silence and watched her squad and hubby get Wanda’ed without saying a word or fighting? Nah

navjot942026-01-09 05:10

Methinks that we won’t learn where Doom is from until Secret Wars. Doctor Strange will play a bigger role in that movie and we will learn that Doom is from 838 and it was this event that led to his world being destroyed by incursions and why he is out to destroy 616 and their heroes.

FIVEtotheSTAR2026-01-09 05:52

That's actually really good and saves one of the worst parts of movie

lordlawson732026-01-09 18:27

The sue storm idea is amazing I’ve never thought of it

Antrikshy2026-01-09 19:57

This is the type of unhinged theories I love seeing on the sub.

thrwawryry3242342026-01-09 21:33

No they won’t. Another stupid take by the community. Their ending was in MoM. They’re different characters from the multiverse, not the “prime” characters so to speak.

xDURPLEx2026-01-09 21:41

Why cant both show up? There's a very strong chance the council of Reeds will be a part of things.

thrwawryry3242342026-01-09 21:55

Because it’s a 2 hour movie and it doesn’t need to be filled with random fan service that would confuse the general audience. We don’t need 2 Xaviers in one movie. It doesn’t make sense and it doesn’t serve the plot

Smol_Raccoon_282026-01-10 05:50

Doomsday will be 3 hours & 45 mins! Lots of time for fan service

LordAsbel2026-01-09 22:11

Alright I'm choosing to believe this now, thank you

DontArgueImRight2026-01-09 23:01

MoM was so badly written this actually sounds better than what happened.

Cultural_Comfort58942026-01-09 23:20

I really like this theory

BUT

I think overall the multiverse saga is telling us that the prime timeline and universe is superior and the rest are just flawed copies and this is why there needs to be only one.

Stupid Illuminati

All other Strange’s corrupted

The Spidermen and villains didn’t seem to be on the same level as 616

Worse Wolverine

The horror of my take is that it would erase what Sylvie & Loki did 🤔 if there has to be one.

Kang was a necessary evil? ( just spitballing)

karateema2026-01-10 16:14

Bruh where did you even get this?

Hi_Im_Dadbot2026-01-09 02:58

He was trying to grab her boob so she’d storm off to get someone from HR and they could have the time to run away.

LeggoMahLegolas2026-01-09 03:20

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Redditeer282026-01-09 03:11

Grab her, I guess. There wasn't much else he could do

Gasparde2026-01-09 04:17

Well, I mean, he coulda told her that Peggy was prone to being cut in half and that Captain Marvel, you know, this infinity stone powered character that can go up against the likes of Thanos, has a severe weakness against falling pillars. Maybe that woulda stopped Wanda, dunno though, am certainly not the smartest man in the universe :-\

FreddyPlayz2026-01-09 07:01

They did a very poor job of showing it, but Wanda actually took away her powers, hence a falling pillar actually killing her

boca2242026-01-09 10:11

THISS! Like people call out Marvel on giving Wanda plot armor but at least they tried. She obviously used her plot armor magic to remove Captain Marvel's powers.

Sir__Will2026-01-09 17:23

Yeah. Though, that itself just raises a bunch of other questions.

karateema2026-01-10 16:16

You see energy get drained

TheSuperiorJustNick2026-01-09 22:29

You can see Wanda sucking away her power and the shock on Cpt Marvel's face when her mask comes off.

She was a de-powered normal human.

EagleSaintRam2026-01-09 06:43

Dude panicked essentially

v3rdy2026-01-09 03:18

More like what was Sam Raimi trying to do making the smartest, most powerful people on earth fodder for a horror movie

MadGibby32026-01-09 06:10

Man he fell off so hard. He fumbled a great character. Idk if I should blame raimi or Michael Waldron though.

DimlyLitOrangeJuice2026-01-09 18:51

Definitely Waldron, Raimi could have done better too but when the script is so shit there's only so much you can do as a director to fix it. Plus, I remember hearing Waldron made it a horror movie after he heard Raimi was going to direct

MadGibby32026-01-09 20:15

It gets worse and worse man lol...

MadGibby32026-01-09 20:16

They had a great blueprint laid out from the first one too

karateema2026-01-10 16:16

The Illuminati always fail

v3rdy2026-01-12 17:02

Well, yes, but not in this manner

manoj912026-01-09 03:49

Trying to be friends with doom

Riley__642026-01-09 03:54

The whole point of the illuminati in that movie was to showcase heroes who got cocky and too comfortable.

They had all developed egos of thinking they’re unstoppable, they weren’t really thinking because in their minds they’re powerful beings who can’t be easily defeated by a simple witch.

Zulmoka5312026-01-09 04:07

I like that. It’s a good contrast to our MCU dimension where our heroes were humbled.

Impossible_Front44622026-01-09 07:46

And it’s a rather comic accurate in that regard, too. For instance, the actions of the illuminati is what ultimately led to worldbreaker hulk

Swifty2552026-01-09 04:09

Finally someone who gave it more than 10 seconds of thought

boca2242026-01-09 10:12

Reed did not give it even 10 seconds of thought though since after seeing this "simple witch" reality warp his friend's MOUTH away, he still apparently kept this unstoppable cocky and comfortable feeling as the smartest man alive. Please...

sucksfor_you2026-01-09 13:17

Well, yeah. That kind of hubris doesn't just go away and allow you to think rationally. Especially in the seconds after seeing your coworker/friend being killed, and understanding that your own life is in imminent danger.

whisker_riot2026-01-09 13:26

hate to have to point this out, but the ten seconds was directed at you

DoubleStrength2026-01-09 13:34

If only they gave the comment more than 10 seconds of thought...

emcee_you2026-01-09 22:46

Finally someone who gave the comment more than 10 seconds of thought

boca2242026-01-09 21:03

Lol I'm aware. I was just making a point

BatmanForever232026-01-09 16:32

That's kinda the point of the cockiness...

TheSuperiorJustNick2026-01-10 08:58

>he still apparently kept this unstoppable cocky and comfortable feeling as the smartest man alive. Please...

Just like Dr. Strange?

You do understand that the Illuminati are there to give Dr. Strange his own medicine, right? That teaches him a lesson? That it's detrimental for him to be "holding the knife" (Because he's a surgeon) at all times?

boca2242026-01-10 09:57

Doctor Strange has kept that aspect of his character ever since his introduction. He was a genius who was obsessed with being the one to make all the decisions because he was a genius. Whether or not those decisions were the best or not.

Reed was introduced as the smartest man alive and all we saw was him do 2 stupid decisions that got them all killed. There is a HUGE difference.

TheSuperiorJustNick2026-01-10 10:29

At the end of the first movie he literally hands over the scalpel the the guy he kept it from in the beginning of the movie

In his second movie he trusts Chavez with her power instead of trying to steal it like we all saw he is capable of doing by variant Strange trying it.

In the Avengers movies he's a hard ass believing he needs to be the main character, and then freely gives up the stone knowing he's going to be dusted.

>Doctor Strange has kept that aspect of his character ever since his introduction.

No, Doctor Strange has had a character arc to get over this exact issue in every movie he's had a primary role in (Not including Ragnarok)

>Reed was introduced as the smartest man alive and all we saw was him do 2 stupid decisions that got them all killed.

Why are you talking past the argument that you're willingly engaging in?

This is addressed by the comment you originally replied to dude. Get over yourself.

Binder5092026-01-09 12:21

Nah Wanda just had plot armor.

If anything her being so cocky is what makes the whole thing obnoxious.

mrbaryonyx2026-01-09 19:27

>The whole point of the illuminati in that movie was to showcase that Sam Raimi knows your fantheories for who should appear in a "multiverse" movie and wants to make fun of you by having those people show up in a movie and then immediately die. Unfortunately, the MCU decided to then make the whole next saga entirely about that, only serious this time.

N8CCRG2026-01-09 21:50

My headcanon is that that was the "theme" of the 838 universe. Like there's one universe where everything's paint, and then there's 818 where everyone is cocky.

karateema2026-01-10 16:15

That's the whole point of the Illuminati in general.

Even in comics, i don't think there's ever been an instance of an Illuminati plan actually working and achieving something

Defiant_Wheel48882026-01-09 04:09

In most animated versions, Reed Richards usually uses his powers by wrapping himself tightly around one enemy. He spins or rolls around the target so they cannot move or escape. Normally, while Reed is holding the enemy, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, or Ben Grimm (the Thing) step in and attack together.

In this scene, Reed attacks alone. This feels intentional. The director likely wanted each attack to be one-on-one instead of team-based.

This is similar to many action movies where the hero is surrounded by many guards, but they attack one at a time. In real life, attacking together would overwhelm the hero, but movies often avoid that for dramatic reasons. The director followed the same idea here.

Another important point is that these characters did not fully understand Scarlet Witch’s real power. They did not have Doctor Strange or Wong to explain how dangerous she truly was.

What they knew was a version of Wanda who lived peacefully with her children and only used her powers when her children were threatened. Because of that, Maria Rambeau says they know how to handle “your little witch.” This shows they underestimated her.

From the Illuminati’s point of view, Doctor Strange was the real danger. In their universe, a Strange variant caused massive destruction, so they feared him more. They did not see Wanda as a serious threat, and that mistake is why they approached her so casually and lost so badly.

Gasparde2026-01-09 04:24

> They did not see Wanda as a serious threat

Which doesnt make sense because they knew that she wasn't just *Wanda* but instead the actual and fully formed Nexus being *Scarlet Witch* - and don't tell me their universe didn't know about the Scarlet Witch thing when this universe is clearly so so *so* much more advanced and Wong seems to have had all of this shit figured out 5 minutes after becoming Sorcerer Supreme. Also, for a universe going around cataloging different universes and a Mordo who seemingly knows everything about interdimensional travel inside out... they again seemed to know frighteningly little about this whole multiverse thing - which is even weirder when you then have their Strange apparently have access to the cosmic good equivalent to the Darkhold in the form of the Book of Vishanti.

It's quite literally just bad writing used as an excuse to make some cool scenes. Which is fine, but that's really all it is - contrived convenient nonsense for the sake of spectacle. Its "don't think about it, just look at the pretty purple sky beam and get excited".

Defiant_Wheel48882026-01-09 12:00

I think Mordo did not warn them. To be honest, he was focused only on Doctor Strange, not on Wanda. He was the one who did not go to fight with the Illuminati because he knew they would not come back. When Strange told Mordo, he was not surprised. So, my conclusion is that Mordo manipulated the team into believing that Strange was the only enemy and that the others were just bystanders who could be handled.

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xRyuzakii2026-01-09 04:33

I want answers on who the empty chair was for

-metaphased-2026-01-09 06:02

It was probably their Strange's chair before he went evil.

wakeup372026-01-09 08:51

The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, but she was out

HearTheEkko2026-01-09 09:58

Balder, portrayed by Daniel Craig. He filmed his scenes but he was cut. There’s official concept art of the character.

mrbaryonyx2026-01-09 19:28

It was for Drax the Destroyer or John Cena.

Are we still doing that? Is this still a meme? I don't know anymore, I'm so old.

feanor5122026-01-09 05:25

They knew it was a gimme. Mordo hung back from the fight so he could reset it with the time stone as many times as needed.

Iamjaykrishnan2026-01-09 06:22

Trying to prove he's the dumbest man alive

pigeonwiggle2026-01-09 08:50

obviously he was going to give her a light slap on the cheek and a finger on her lips to shush her.

HearTheEkko2026-01-09 09:54

Reed’s incredibly smart but also incredibly unwise. Reed and the Illuminati think they’re so high and mighty that nothing can test them and that’s exactly why they got killed. They thought they could handle Wanda easily and it backfired, at that point there was nothing else Reed could do.

People always criticize that part but it was very in-character for Reed and the Illuminati.

ASavageHobo2026-01-09 09:56

Probably grab her and wrap her up so tight that she can’t breathe? Dude probably panicked 🤷

chiefbrody622026-01-09 11:52

Gotta remember the Wanda of their universe, was waaay less powerful than the 616 Wanda. He just simply underestimated her abilities and the Wanda they knew, wouldn't kill innocent people. Also, the Wanda they knew, wasn't a cold blooded killer corrupted by the Darkhold. So he was basically fighting her like the heroes fought in Civil War, where they weren't fighting to kill. He didn't think Wanda would kill him, to his knowledge, all she had done was destroy Ultron-bots, but didn't kill a human. Their Dr. Strange had been corrupted by the Darkhold before they killed him, so they just had no reason the 616 Strange's warnings about Wanda.

The out of universe explanation was that due to covid rescheduling, most of it was on green screen, and most of those actors didn't interact in real life. Like from what I remember, Elizabeth Olson and John Krasinski never even met on set. I think she met the other actors, but some of them didn't meet each other. I could be misremembering, but yeah, that was a big part of it.

edit: to add to that, this version of Reed Richards, had probably worked with Wanda before. She was mostl likely an ally in many fights. She was also a mom of two kids, and Reed only knew she was posseded by a different Wanda, had no reason to think that she would kill them. He was simply treating her like a Civil War fight, but didn't realize she was possessed by a corrupt Darkhold Wanda.

Binder5092026-01-09 12:22

He was trying to take her plot armor away.

banmeandidelete2026-01-09 14:50

Probably the Reed specialty of wrapping the enemy up like plastic wrap.

NightmareElephant2026-01-09 17:08

Just wanted to give a hug

santhinins2026-01-09 17:40

I felt it as a decision to suicide giving others time to escape. Something was there in his mind it could been anything as if it was pre planned. Afterall he's one of the smartest superheroes.

LanoomR2026-01-09 17:42

If the question is "What manuever was he going to do?", he was probably intending to try to restrain Wanda by wrapping his arm/body around her. It's a thing he does relatively often: https://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-mister-fantastic-wrapping-up-thing/

If he feared that he might need to use full suffocation or constriction to KO/kill her, he could do so from that position, as well.

However, as we know, he underestimated her abilities and aggression, so the end result probably would've been the same.

That said, it WOULD have been a stronger visual for Reed to have been able to quickly wrap himself around Wanda, and THEN she turns him into pasta. It also probably would've been much more CGI work, so.....idk.

Grayx_28872026-01-09 17:58

He was either going to punch her or try to wrap her up with his body like a touch or a ball. That's all.

Earthwick2026-01-09 17:58

It was dumb. It was just dumb. Studio interference ran rampant for that film. raimi had like a 3 hour horror film that was muted down to a cliche superhero less than 2 hour film. They just want the fan service. Reed the smartest man alive chose to stretchy punch a being he knows can alter reality.... There's no good answer it's just dumb bad writing.

happytrel2026-01-09 18:04

I see it in the same way that Captain America is generally a dick in X-Men comics, Spidey is often more annoying as a guest appearance, and everyone gets a chance to be part of the joke in a She-Hulk or Deadpool comic.

Characters are sometimes out of character, or at least show a different aspect of their character, depending on who's story they're in and what is needed.

mrbaryonyx2026-01-09 19:29

The answer is that its a joke.

The people making MoM found the idea of "heroes showing up in other universes, played by actors who used to play them/actors who played a different character/actors who were fancast as them" as kind of a joke and wanted to play around with the concept while still keeping the focus on the 616 characters.

Unfortunately, this is now what the entire series is about.

sak19262026-01-10 04:39

He wanted to high five her. I thought that was clear.

Ok-Sleep29062026-01-10 23:29

The Illuminati thought that Wanda was no more powerful than their version of Wanda, especially since she was using their Wanda's body. They didn't understand just what being The Scarlet Witch meant. Their version wasn't the Nexus being the 616film version was. She was also their old friend and they didn't want to hurt her.

Reed was likely reaching for her to put a hand on her shoulder and try to reason with her. The Wanda he knew would have listened to him.

It wasn't until Reed bought it that the others figured out they needed to actually use deadly force. Too late.

So bottom line: They underestimated her, they tried to reason with her when reason wasn't an option, and they tried to treat her as a friend when she came in there fully ready to be an enemy. Their own arrogance killed them.