Something I can’t wrap my head around regarding the current status of Earth-10005 going into Doomsday.

Overall it’s already a very messy universe regarding continuity (though many of the issues go away if you just delete X-Men Origins Wolverine).

As far as I can tell, we started with one timeline that included First Class, the trilogy, and The Wolverine. Then Days of Future Past reset things in a way that kept Jean and Scott alive without entirely erasing the major events of the movies, and this timeline would be the one that connects to the Deadpool movies, New Mutants, and finally Logan. There are two issues that come up following that logic I can’t reconcile however.

1 - in this new timeline Mystique died in the 90s and never helped Magneto with Liberty Island or the fight against Stryker. How is she present for Doomsday?

2 - in Deadpool and Wolverine, the universe was stabilized and the variants of Wolverine and X-23 relocated to 1000-5. The problem with that is, where is the Logan of that timeline now? Naturally he should be with the X-Men, but I imagine they will just gloss over that and only ever focus on the variant Logan. Additionally, it’s pretty clear that Doomsday will happen in a point in time before the events of Logan and the tragedy that preceded it. If the events of that movie never occur, how would Laura ever end up in the Void to begin with so she can meet her new Logan and Deadpool? All signs point to 1000-5 probably not existing after Secret Wars, effectively erasing the movie Logan entirely. How does that even work?

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False-Fox-89722026-01-07 12:14

Timelines when not written (like by he who remains)
Have a present time, a set past (unless changed by time travel) and a undecided future
Laura is from “the present” which is few years after Logan

Deadpool and Wolverine Take place in 2024
And by the end, there are indeed 2 Wolverines, we’ll likely get a follow up in doomsday
As for Laura, I’m sure TVA would’ve sent her back to her time by now

Origins is set 15 years before X-men 2000
The Charles walking and using his powers is a result of Beast having finally made a serum that not only lets professor walk but also use his powers (Charles stopped using later on cuz. We can assume he has his reasons)
(It also explains how Charles is able to walk when he and Erik goes to jean’s house)

Dark phoenix was originally supposed to be a 2 parter movie, that in the end would’ve completed the bridge between the prequels and the end of DOFP but the director couldn’t get his wish at the last moment
And had to reshoot a lot of his movie, (cuz of captain marvel skrulls, and also cuz Disney wasn’t interested in them continuing the saga) by the end of the dark phoenix
We find out Jean is still alive, she has just evolve beyond humans

Somewhere between 1992 and 2016 (Deadpool 1 time) Jean had came back, Charles had came back, the school was once again named on professor.

As for mystique
In the comics the phoenix force has the power to bring back people from the dead
It’s possible when Jean came back she resurrected mystique too
Since she was now able to control her powers.

Hope that helps

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:41

This makes a lot of sense. Adding on to your points, I’m realizing that Dark Phoenix is pretty much the reason that Scott and Jean would still be around when Logan wakes up at the end of DoFP. None of the Phoenix stuff in The Last Stand would have happened. Additionally she wouldn’t have even had to sacrifice herself at Alkali Lake because she was already powered up.

False-Fox-89722026-01-07 19:17

Yep! Also just to help you a little bit more

In comics time travel have different ways to achieve and different outcomes

That could very well be the answer in the movies

Physical time travel (endgame) = branched timelines and they do not change your present.

Mental time travel (days of future past, Deadpool 2) changing the past affects your future and your present can completely be changed.

Time rewind, that's what strange supreme of what if...? that also changes your present unless it's a fixed point (time rewind is dangerous as seen in what if...? And likely the reason Dr strange didn't even try that in infinity war or maybe he did see it in the futures he saw but they weren't gonna work anyway)

UNKNOWN: Magic, somehow Dr stranger's spell was able to break the multiversal barriers in no way home

It's left unknown if curing the villains in NWH created separate branch timelines or altered the raimi and Webb verses forever

jamesrossurquhart2026-01-07 12:17

I’m pretty sure that it isn’t the same universe as Days of Future Past, but a very slightly altered version. This one will most likely be the universe that Monica is stranded in at the end of The Marvels. This one has other heroes too like Photon, and Beast looks more comic accurate than he did back then.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 12:24

I disagree mostly because of Deadpool and Wolverine establishing that 1000-5 is the same universe as the FOX movies.

jamesrossurquhart2026-01-07 12:28

The Marvels never gives a number for where Monica is though, all Deadpool & Wolverine did was confirm that Deadpool is in the same universe as the FOX movies.

Deadpool & Wolverine will be helping Loki at the TVA, they won’t be involved in the scenes with the mansion in Doomsday.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 12:38

It’s overly convoluted to have two separate X-Men universes in play when it could just be one.

jamesrossurquhart2026-01-07 12:51

Are you new to the FOX X-Men? The entire timeline is overly convoluted. What If…? Had multiple universes with the same heroes as the 616 but with different variations. Multiverse of Madness had multiple different Doctor Strange universes, and Spider-Man No Way Home had 3 different Spider-Man universes included. Seeing a universe with the X-Men and X-Mansion then seeing Deadpool & Wolverine at a different scene in the TVA isn’t anymore convoluted than what’s already been in previous movies.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:14

Touché, but this isn’t being written by the team who made those messy movies at Fox. This is being written by Marvel Studios, and it’s pretty clear that they specifically want to use the established legacy X-Men universe specifically because of the casual audience familiarity. With No Way Home and MoM the use of several different universes was intentional for the plots. Here you have a story involving an incursion between the MCU and the already established legacy X-Men universe. There’s no reason to add more complications by having multiple X-Men universes when they have blatantly taken steps to keep things simple for everyone watching. They first teased the coming incursion with the Marvels teaser, then further developed the current state of that universe with Deadpool and Wolverine. Assuming anything else is unfounded.

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-07 16:09

>they specifically want to use the established legacy X-Men universe specifically because of the casual audience familiarity

In the main 1005 universe, Cyclops and Prof X are dead. One offscreen in Logan, the other onscreen.

Magneto, we don't know. The ones in Doomsday are variants.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 23:00

Logan takes place years after Deadpool and Wolverine.

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-08 02:10

Impossible.

If that's the case, the TVA just allowed TWO Wolverines to co-exist in the same place and the same time at the end of D&W.

The black TVA woman says that the Wolverine variant is able to stay since the anchor being (the Wolverine from Logan) is dead.

Same for Laura. There aren't two Lauras co-existing. D&W present is the present of that Laura. Logan was retconned to take place before D&W.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-08 02:12

Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 2024 while Logan is more like 2029. There are still X-Men, as shown by Colossus, NTW, and Yukio, so the Professor is still running the school. TVA allowed the variant to stay because he helped save the universe. It seems they allowed X-23 to stay as well.

Swoopmott2026-01-07 12:53

I don’t think it will actually be addressed or matter. The FOX timeline is a mess so I don’t expect them to address it in the slightest. Maybe a vague reference to stuff but for the most part it’s “here’s the X-Men played by the same people from some universe. Don’t think about it too much”

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:17

They kind of already did address it in a way. Deadpool and Wolverine established that 1000-5 is indeed the Fox universe, and the fact that the TVA had Paradox overseeing it implies that all the time travel hijinks have just made branch timelines. Paradox was lazy and irresponsible and 1000-5 wasn’t a sacred timeline branch so it didn’t matter.

HomsarWasRight2026-01-08 20:42

When did they do that? Also, WHICH Fox movies? The only way to make those make sense is to break it up into several timelines.

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-07 16:05

Actually, I'll take it further:

Doomsday X-Men Earth is the original X1 and X2 Earth, just decades later. The X-Men are still the only superheroes to keep with the spirit of the original franchise.

Having non-mutant superheroes inhabiting the Foxverse X-Men feels off, it's as weird as Raimiverse Spider-Man Earth suddenly having its own Iron Man and CA.

Monica is stranded on a random Earth that will never be brought up again. We have basically 3 separate X-Men Earths: the Deadpool one, the Doomsday one, and the one from Marvels Post Credit Scene (that will never be resolved).

Bing_Bong_the_Archer2026-01-07 21:40

Lol dumb

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-08 02:09

Nah. The Marvels is the biggest cinematic bomb in the MCU. Ignoring its post credit scene makes total sense.

Much like they'll ignore AM3, CA4, and The Eternals' post credit scene.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 06:51

Yeah it's almost certainly the earth that Monica is stranded in.

That said, it's not *impossible* that it's also the post-DOFP universe. Even if Mystique died in the 90's, she could have been resurrected in the 30-odd years since. Hell, Jean could have resurrected her since she's back too at the end of DOFP, despite leaving earth at the end of Dark Pheonix!

marccass2026-01-08 08:55

I think this X-Men universe we see will have the actors we recognise from the Fox-verse but will be closer to The Animated Series aesthetically and for other details.

Disney has been keen on using that Animated Series DNA, that's why Cyclops, Gambit, Prof X etc all wear versions of their classic suits and not the black leather stuff.

donbagert2026-01-08 16:55

However, Maria (Days of Future Past) and Monica Rambeau (Photon of Earth-616) will likely not appear in Doomsday - there are too many characters already!

the_old_coday1822026-01-07 12:29

1: You have to assume/retcon that X-Men time travel works the same as the MCU. So, Days of Future Past actually created a new branch, but did not “undo” any of the others. Chalk it up to the X-Men not knowing about time travel, or how it would work. Every continuity we saw from Fox’s X-Men still exists, plus an infinite number of others we didn’t see. Mystique would presumably come from a branch that wasn’t changed by Days of Future Past.

2: X-23 came from universe where events of Old Man Logan played out, and wasn’t sent to the void until sometime after all that happened. But other timelines still exist where Old Man Logan won’t happen at all, hasn’t happened yet, or will play out differently. That’s where Wolverine in DP3 comes from. Basically it’s just a matter of plucking them from different universes AND different points in time.

Ordinary-Chain-80472026-01-07 13:03

I heard Someone say one time that just think of the events of the trilogy but without Mystique

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:24

I hear you, but if you break it down there’s no way things could have played out remotely the same without her. She had a key role in several plot developments that couldn’t work without her.

* posing as Bobby to sabotage Cerebro

* taking Senator Kelly’s place

* breaking Magneto out of prison

* infiltrating Alkali Lake

* posing as Stryker to trick Mastermind into using Cerebro against humanity

* tipping off Trask on where the Brotherhood is hiding so they would be distracted while Magneto attacked Alcatraz

Aside from that, you also have Nightcrawler joining the team decades earlier and the fact that the new timeline moved up Jeans Phoenix arc to the 90s which completely details the original movies.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:38

I *really* wish they'd have gotten to do the 2000's movie in the "new timeline".

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-07 16:16

Nightcrawler in X2 is incompatible with Apocalypse Nightcrawler. X3 Angel is incompatible with Apocalypse Angel. Same for X3 Psylocke.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:38

True.

That said, I think Apocalypse Angel is Warren Worthington II. In this timeline, Warren's dad manifests powers by the 80's, rather than becoming the human CEO who tries to "cure" his mutant son in 2006.

Edboy7962026-01-07 13:20

This makes me wonder if the universe Monica is in is similar to whatever universe Classic Loki is from, or if its a Fantastic Four thing where there's mutants but they're the only heroes in it.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:24

I’m pretty certain it’s just the Fox universe 1000-5.

Edboy7962026-01-07 13:27

Could you remind me which one that is?

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:30

The Fox X-Men universe as confirmed in Deadpool and Wolverine.

Edboy7962026-01-07 13:43

There's the one Wade is in, with Juggernaut, X Force, Domino, the characters from Days of Future Past (?), but then also the Avengers where he applied to be an avenger as shown with Happy?

There's the one Logan was in that he was cast out of (which may have been a version of a comic accurate X-Men), and the one Monica ends up in at the end of the Marvel's.

Is it said what universe Monica ended up in or is that an assumption? I'm a bit foggy on the details, but I don't recall Beast saying anything like "ah Monica, welcome to universe 10005" or Wade saying "glad to have you Logan, I hear we have someone else from another universe fly in"

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:59

The Avengers aren’t in Wade’s timeline, he traveled to 616 for that interview.

Deadpool and Wolverine established that Deadpool exists in the FOX timeline, and his worlds Logan died ultimately in his movie of the same name. This is 1000-5.

Marvel has been referring the universe in Doomsday as 1000-5. It’s easy to connect that the universe Monica crossed into is the same one.

It’s all the same timeline, just without some parts, particularly most of the events of the original three X-Men films.

Edboy7962026-01-07 14:21

For 616, gotcha. Like idk if Wade had some tech from the TVA, like a tem pad, which would explain how he visited other universes with Logan in them, but not quite traveling time to be interviewed by Happy to be an Avenger, if its just the X-Men in the Fox universe and no Avengers and Wade doesn't have a tem pad, it's kinda unbelievable how he meets Happy to become an avenger. For me. Although, I'll suspend enough disbelieve to let that slide, since the X-Men timeline/universe shenanigans are astounding 💀

For the second part, that's confusing, because I know there was a lot of recons with the Fox X-Men universe.
But remember there's whatever they did with Deadpool in origins, he's killed off and then the wink to the camera in the deleted scene/post credit.

So he's alive again then, and in modern day in the Deadpool films? See how that's confusing? You can *maybe* excuse that with Days of Future Past if you discount Wade was alive in whatever time period in Origins: Wolverine and the Deadpool events which look like modern day.

And wasn't it that Logan let down his team in that the other X-Men died and not that his universe died?
Wade pulls Logan from his universe and was basically pitching to Logan he can save his universe based on an educated wish lol and then Logan just stays with Wade and them at the end after all the stuff with the TVA and the void with what appears to be remnants of a dead Fox universe in it, and then Blade because that was Regency iirc

Not attacking what you're theory/guess is, just the whole multiverse of it all raises a lot of questions as to what's happening when time travel and innumerable universes are in play

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 14:30

No I get it, it’s definitely very confusing. One thing I’d recommend is just completely disregarding Origins, because all the writers definitely do for the most part.

As for the universe Wade lives in, it has to be the same as the FOX X-Men if his universes Wolverine was dead at the Canadian border. So by saving his universe he saved the Fox universe. Characters in the Void would just be variants from pruned timelines. I know 1000-5 isn’t in the sacred timeline, but Paradoxes team in the TVA were still managing it. So they would prune. It stands to reason that the surviving 1000-5 is the changed timeline after DoFP. This largely would remove the original three X-Men films as we know them because of how drastically the events of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix would have altered their storylines. The Deadpool movies would also exist in this timeline. Logan would have ultimately too but I’m thinking Doomsday will prevent that movie from ever happening. The incursion with 616 will happen before Xavier has his episode that kills his whole school.

catchthetams2026-01-07 14:50

He jumped universes with Cable's device after it was fixed. That's how he also went back to kill Weapon X and Ryan Reynolds before Green Lantern.

Edboy7962026-01-07 14:54

I didn't know that was for traveling universes, I thought Cable used his for time travel.

If it was mentioned specifically for traveling different universes, I either missed it or long forgot about it.

Otherwise, I figured that was just Meta stuff for humor and to poke fun at the Fox universe for what was done to the character and whoever did Green Lantern and mucked that up

JohnnyKarateX2026-01-07 13:27

Red Hulk: It’s not that kind of movie kid.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:31

![gif](giphy|F2aEJrGD7pTud4lwHF|downsized)

FunEventsandGames2026-01-07 14:04

That phrase is just a fancy way of saying "don't think, just consume"

tmac20972026-01-07 21:38

And when it comes to comic book movies that’s a perfectly fine attitude to have. Taking these things too seriously is the main way people ruin otherwise fun discussions.

FunEventsandGames2026-01-07 21:42

"It's not that kind of movie kid" is a condemnation of the concept of even having discussions. You're not supposed to regard it as a story at all, you're just supposed to stare at the flashing colors on screen and drool and shit your pants then buy merchandise so the corporation can have more money. There's no such thing as "themes" or "characters" or "plot" to a card carrying member of the "It's not that kind of movie kid" cult.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:13

*Every* movie is so that a studio can have more money.

FunEventsandGames2026-01-08 07:15

That doesn't mean they can't have themes and character arcs that can be discussed and analyzed.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:43

No one denied that they could.

FunEventsandGames2026-01-08 07:59

Yes they did that's what "it's not that kind of movie kid" means.

Loose_Concentrate3322026-01-08 22:37

Correct, right up until you're no longer sure if said character is the same one as in the other movies.

Time travels a bitch at the best of times, and Fox was nowhere near that standard.

AmaterasuWolf212026-01-09 01:48

Why do yall hate discussions so much

BetaRayPhil6162026-01-07 13:30

The easiest answer is that Apocalypse & Dark Pheonix are also a separate universe to the DOFP good ending > and this good ending is 10005.

First Class

X-men

X2

The Last Stand

(The Wolverine)

DOFP (and the 'good ending' here definitely overwrites both the X2 & TLS; but possibly the first movie plays out the same).

And thats it. Everything else is ancilliary. Its even backed up by the apocalypse x-team cameo-ing in deadpool 2. The deadpool universe is a separate reality and also the one with sophie turner & alexandra shipp as jean & storm. Whereas mcavoy ages into stewart in both universes.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:34

Deadpool isn’t a separate reality, it’s just very loose with their fourth wall breaking. You have to treat them as canon in story alone. The jokes are just jokes.

That said how would those two films be seperate from the good ending when the events of Logan’s time travel directly created all of it? I could argue that Dark Phoenix happening directly caused Scott and Jean to still be alive when Logan returned. Phoenix happening in the 90s means much of The Last Stand couldn’t happen.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:20

> The easiest answer is that Apocalypse & Dark Pheonix are also a separate universe to the DOFP good ending > and this good ending is 10005.
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I don't think it's impossible, but it seems unlikely based on all the facts at hand.

Singer implied in an interview that Apocalypse is *so* powerful that he *could* have shattered time and destroyed the world in 1983 despite things looking fine in 2023...but I guess that was just a cop-out to preserve the illusion of "suspense" with the Apocalypse movie.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-07 13:34

Congratulations you thought about the Fox X-Men timeline more than anyone at Fox did.

Pro tip - don’t even try to make sense of it.

Endgame isn’t going to try. Deadpool and Wolverine surely didn’t try. Why should you try?

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:37

Marvel has already done a lot to fix the mess honestly. Just by having the TVA involved, you reframe the FOX films into branch timelines rather than one broken one. Logan effectively erased The Last Stand, then later Deadpool erased a bunch of shit like Origins.

I’m thinking the universe we have now is the final result of everything done by Logan, Deadpool, and the TVA at various times.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-07 13:42

Deadpool makes meta jokes and isn’t serious at all. He killed Ryan Reynolds. Thinking Deadpool helped make sense of the timelines is madness.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 13:48

I’m not saying he did it intentionally, but I still take that gag as enough to completely disregard Origins. Removing that one movie from the timeline negates so many of the most glaring plot holes.

* No 70s Wade Wilson

* no second Emma Frost

* Scott’s origins in Apocalypse is no longer contradictory

* Stryker in DoFP and Apocalypse is now a cleaner depiction without Danny Huston

* we now only have one Sabretooth played by Tyler Mane

* Logan being in New York in the 70s for DoFP makes sense now

FunEventsandGames2026-01-07 14:06

They mention Sabertooth being Logan's brother in *Deadpool and Wolverine* which was only established in *X-Men Origins: Wolverine* and not from the comics. Tyler Mane and Liev Schreiber's Sabertooth are the same Sabertooth even though they're portrayed by different actors.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 14:07

They still used the Tyler Mane version, so I’m still comfortable with my stance.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:09

Also, DOFP itself has a blink-and-you-miss-it flashback to Origins (Victor crushing Logan's bone claws). I'm not imagining it...the end credits mentions footage taken from past X-men movies, including Origins.

I think it's possible to reconcile Origins with First Class and DOFP for the most part.

The two Emmas is the biggest one. My headcanon is that Origins Emma (and Kayla Silverfox) are daughters of the 60's Emma Frost from First Class. It makes sense if you think about it since they each have *one* of Frost's powers - Origins!Emma has her diamond skin, and Kayla has some kind of telepathic ability.

And given that DOFP establishes that First Class!Emma was captured and killed by Trask and Stryker before 1973, it makes sense that by the 80's, Stryker had both of Emma's daughters under his control in the Origins timeline (remember, everything DOFP establishes in 1973 that *wasn't* the result of Logan's interference is part of the "original" timeline).

Logan in New York in 1973 is a tricky one but not impossible. The US still had *some* military presence in Vietnam till 1975. It's possible that Logan was stateside between two tours of duty when he fell in with those gangsters. In the original timeline, he went back to Vietnam along with Victor and that's when they decapitated an officer, were "executed", and then recruited by Striker.

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-07 14:42

“ but I still take that gag as enough to completely disregard”

Ok. This is fan fiction of yours you realize that right? No one who made the Fox movies cared enough about continuity.

You can say whatever you want and think, no one who made the movies is going to say anything to prove you wrong or right. They litterally didn’t care.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 14:43

They’ve already directly ignored the movie on multiple occasions, so I can live with that.

Ozymandias122026-01-08 18:31

>He killed Ryan Reynolds.

But Ryan Reynolds is still alive in our timeline. Are we in a branch then? You're telling me all the insanity that's happening nowadays is just because Deadpool messed with our universe?!

Wtygrrr2026-01-13 13:43

No, he was replaced with an LMD.

BartleBossy2026-01-07 23:28

> Congratulations you thought about the Fox X-Men timeline more than anyone at Fox did.
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> Pro tip - don’t even try to make sense of it.
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> Endgame isn’t going to try. Deadpool and Wolverine surely didn’t try. Why should you try?

I fucking hate that this is the MCU standard.

*Handwaives so much shit away*

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-08 00:30

That’s the *Fox* standard, friend. They were trying to figure out the Fox movies.

But there is no use. Because it is a mess that cannot be made sense of. Deadpool with its meta jokes made fun of this more than once.

The X-Men in Doomsday are going to be like the ones from the Fox movies but it is a futile effort to try to make coherent sense of the timeline of all the Fox movies. Methinks people can understand that and go along with that.

Lenonn2026-01-08 02:20

It being a total mess is why I kind of want Doomsday/Secret Wars to be the end of the Earth-10005 and the MCU to move forward with their own takes on these characters after ASW.

spidervenom6192026-01-08 02:00

My Man they would need like 10 movies only to make the Fox timeline makes a little sense. This ain't on MCU at all, this is all on Fox having the most frustrating time travels rules this side of Dragon Ball Z.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:12

Honestly, most of the Fox continuity issues *aren't* due to time-travel! In fact they actually use time-travel a grand total of *once* (well, actually twice, but in Deadpool 2 it was more of a gag!)

Stuff like Emma in the 60's *and* the 80's, and Xavier walking in the 80's after being crippled in the 60's, have nothing to do with time-travel (at least, DOFP provided an explanation for the latter with Hank's serum).

BartleBossy2026-01-08 15:26

> My Man they would need like 10 movies only to make the Fox timeline makes a little sense. This ain't on MCU at all,

They would need 10 movies to make it make sense *in the MCU*.

Leave it. Im so tired of member berries running this studio.

icespaz2026-01-08 22:44

Lol this exactly!!

knotsteve2026-01-07 15:33

The cosmology of the FoX-Men universe(s) and the blended multiverse works best if you accept that it doesn't hold up to scrutiny and avoid doing so.

Grayx_28872026-01-07 15:44

I have no freaking idea.

whitepangolin2026-01-07 15:48

["I suggest you don't worry about this sort of thing and just enjoy yourself."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0q65EvDMvs)

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-07 15:57

They're variants.

There is 0 confirmation that this is the same Earth from Days of Future Past/Logan/D&W.

Mystique is confirmed to be back so that rules out the post-Days of Future Past timeline. Prof X and Cyclops are alive, so that rules out this taking place in the Logan/D&W timeline, remember Prof X kills the X-Men there and then dies.

IMO, this is an alternate Earth where X1 and X2 took place, but then it deviated after Lake Alkali; Jean might be alive but not evil. Those are the 2 most beloved X-Men nostalgia films everyone loves.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 22:59

It’s really not that hard to put together. Deadpool and Wolverine is 1000-5. The movie Logan takes place in this universe, which means it’s the Fox verse, it just takes place a few years after Deadpool and Wolverine. The X-Men universe in Doomsday has also been referred to as 1000-5 by Marvel. That spells out that it’s the same universe, which also is the most reasonable conclusion from a narrative perspective.

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-08 02:12

Impossible.

The TVA wouldn't allow 2 Wolverines and 2 Lauras to co-exist in the same place and the same time. Logan has been retconned to take place before D&W.

Deadpool knows his Wolverine is dead. There isn't a baby Laura and adult Laura in the present of D&W, there is only adult Laura who was pruned after Logan and is now back.

Your theory makes things way too overcomplicated with multiple Wolverines and multiple Lauras co-existing.

gamerfacederp2026-01-08 18:29

Its not that complicated to have 2 wolverines and lauras coexist. It's kinda weird but its possible, and the tva let wolverine stay because he became an anchor being after saving 10005 and let laura stay as a favour to deadpool for stopping cassandra. Its technically dangerous to let them stay but they did and thats that

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-08 18:42

>Its not that complicated to have 2 wolverines and lauras coexist.

It would cause an incursion. Re-watch Doctor Strange 2.

The TVA pruned Laura after the Logan film and simply returned the same Laura to HER present (D&W). There is only 1 Laura and 1 Wolverine in D&W present.

>he became an anchor being

Yes. Replacing the dead Logan. Nothing indicates there can be 2 anchor beings co-existing.

gamerfacederp2026-01-08 18:53

dude, literally nothing you say is supported by the movie. In Doctor strange, the Incursions happened because of people hijacking the minds of their alternate selves and dont explicitly say having variants can cause it. And the TVA let laura stay in 2024 as a favour to deadpool for stopping cassandra and they probably made sure it wasnt a risk to their universe.

> Nothing indicates there can be 2 anchor beings co-existing

You did not pay attention to the movie then because they did SPECIFICALLY say that both deadpool and wolverine became anchor beings, making the total anchor beings of that universe in 2024 to be 3 of them

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-08 19:05

That makes no sense. 2 Lauras cannot co-exist. 2 Wolverines cannot co-exist.

gamerfacederp2026-01-08 19:43

According to who? To what? There was 3 spider-men coexisting no way home even if it was only a few hours. What says they cant coexist?

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:27

>They're variants.

Of course.

I suppose the real question is what does the timeline/continuity of this particular earth look like.

I don't think it's *impossible* for this to be the DOFP earth (which *isn't* IMO necessarily the same as the Logan earth). Mystique could simply have been resurrected over the past 30 years. Jean herself is back after leaving earth at the end of Dark Pheonix, at the end of DOFP.

Since Jean doesn't seem to be around in Doomsday (unless there's a surprise cameo Famke's done a *really* good job hiding), I suppose it's possible that this is an earth where X1/X2 happened, and then a *variation* of X3 happened wherein Jean dies but Scott doesn't. Or maybe X3 happened as we saw it, but Scott was later resurrected and/or turned out to be alive all along (I mean, we don't see a body in X3, do we?)

juances192026-01-07 15:59

I'll be blunt, if you think too hard about all the details .. it'll never make complete sense.

Fox unvierse and MCU weren't originally planned to be together, they all have all these different time travel rules and stuff. Now writers are retconing things left and right to try to make it work and bring nostalgia cameos but it's not gonna be perfect.

So just accept this is actually Earth-10005-B and the fox movies were on Earth-10005-A, Deadpool forgot to check the last multiversal postal code letter. Or pretend that Loki while weaving the multiverse tree did subtle changes in the background.

mmmasian2026-01-07 16:25

1. The same way Phoenix was alive in the new future after dying in Dark Phoenix - there's an unseen gap of 30+ years where Mystique being resurrected could have taken place. For example, Wolverine killed her in Jason Aaron's Wolverine run, and she was resurrected by The Hand.

2. Wolverine-10005 would likely be with the X-Men yes, but Logan leaves enough unsaid that he could have feasibly been on a leave of absence by the time The Westchester Incident took place in 2028. Hell, it could be as simple as Wolverine-10005 getting fodderized by Doom as a show of power, and the X-Men being forced to work with the "new" Wolverine as a result.

When the TVA interferes, such as when they pruned Laura in the \*existing\* 10005, it doesn't necessarily mean that those events never happened if the timeline changes. In fact, I'd say it's likely that the TVA can't undo their mistakes otherwise we would have seen them just travel to earlier points in time of branches in the Loki series whenever they failed. Laura being pruned still occurs in the previous iteration of 10005, even if Wade / Laura / new Wolverine interfere to change the future.

3. There's no telling what 10005's status will be after Secret Wars. Even in Secret Wars 2015, the old "Ultimate" Universe (and many other existing alternate realities in the comics) were all remade after were destroyed during the event.

While I think it's \*likely" that Logan will be "undone" if 10005 were to ever continue on in the future, it's not to say it didn't matter. Those events had to occur in order for Deadpool and Laura to save the multiverse (and for Deadpool to become a hero again). These events likely needed to happen for Secret Wars to even occur. To re-iterate, I think Laura being pruned by the TVA caused her to be immune to any potential paradox that might occur.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:35

I mostly agree with all of this.

As far as Logan and the Deadpool films go, my crazy theory is that Wade's fourth-wall breaking "power" is at play here.

Logan (the movie) is a possible future/timeline branch of Wade's earth. So when Wade becomes aware that Logan has died, it somehow causes the Logan in his present-day to disappear from view. No one else notices - as far as everyone in Wade's world is concerned (Negasonic, Colossus etc.) Logan's just off on one of his jaunts or they simply don't think too much about where he is or isn't.

Wade's kind of in his own weird bubble of reality that impacts everything around him. It's the only way to reconcile his fourth-wall breaking with any "sane" superhero universe.

mmmasian2026-01-08 21:35

Honestly a great theory too!

DigificWriter2026-01-07 16:57

As has already been said, we have absolutely no reason to assume that the XMCU actors,who are returning for Avengers: Doomsday are playing their Earth-10005 characters.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 23:02

I’m pretty sure the official designation for their universe in Doomsday is 1000-5.

DigificWriter2026-01-07 23:21

All we know is that actors who played characters from the XMCU (Earth-10005) are returning for Doomsday; there's no evidence as of yet that the characters they are playing in Doomsday are the characters that they previously played.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:39

Has any official source specified the designation of the earth/timeline of the Doomsday X-men?

DigificWriter2026-01-08 17:58

No.

People are assuming that the X-Men characters present in Doomsday come from Earth-10005 solely because they're being played by returning actors.

ReplicantOwl2026-01-07 21:51

I’ve heard a rumor that the X-men in this one are from the X-men 97 animated series timeline.

sanddragon9392026-01-08 07:42

Well...they may be aesthetically modelled after those. But they probably won't *literally* be from that timeline.

Like, I'm expecting more call-backs/references to X1-X3 than to anything from the cartoon.

faithdies2026-01-07 21:58

I doubt they are keeping all the lore from all the fox X-Men movies. More like....guidelines

sanddragon9392026-01-08 06:49

>1 - in this new timeline Mystique died in the 90s and never helped Magneto with Liberty Island or the fight against Stryker. How is she present for Doomsday?

Well, we don't actually know if this is the *same* universe as the post-DOFP one, or another universe modelled after the Fox movies (like the one DP&W's Logan variant comes from).

Frankly, even if it *is* the post-DOFP one, we're talking about the X-men here! Mystique probably got resurrected somewhere along the way...(hell, remember that Jean herself ends the Dark Pheonix movie leaving earth but she's back in the revised DOFP future...so obviously things change in the next 30-odd years in that universe).

>2 - in Deadpool and Wolverine, the universe was stabilized and the variants of Wolverine and X-23 relocated to 1000-5. The problem with that is, where is the Logan of that timeline now? Naturally he should be with the X-Men, but I imagine they will just gloss over that and only ever focus on the variant Logan. Additionally, it’s pretty clear that Doomsday will happen in a point in time before the events of Logan and the tragedy that preceded it. If the events of that movie never occur, how would Laura ever end up in the Void to begin with so she can meet her new Logan and Deadpool? All signs point to 1000-5 probably not existing after Secret Wars, effectively erasing the movie Logan entirely. How does that even work?

Yeah I'll admit that whole thing is pretty messy. Frankly, the Deadpool movies sort of existed in their own little fourth-wall breaking bubble of continuity, and even Logan kind of was its own thing, loosely building of the continuity of the Fox X-men movies. For the purposes of its meta-narrative about the end of the Fox X-men franchise, DP&W clubbed them all together into one earth, and it works for that story, but if you look at it too hard the logic falls apart.

The way I see it, the Deadpool movies and Logan are different 'timeline branches' of Earth-10005. Given Deadpool's ability to break the fourth wall, he has some awareness of what goes on in other branches, and so knows that Logan is dead. The Logan from, well, *Logan* who died was somehow the "prime" Logan of Earth-10005, and thus the Anchor Being for that world, and this triggers the impending destruction of the entire earth and *all* its branch timelines.

As for what happened to the Logan in Wade's present-day? I think the simple answer is that he's simply not around (Logan is known to go off on his wanderings after all!) The more complex answer that I'm overthinking right now is that maybe Wade's fourth-wall breaking gives him some degree of subconcious "control" over his bubble of reality - so once he becomes aware that the "prime" Logan died, the Logan in his time/timeline disappears, with no one else really giving it much thought?

As far as Doomsday/Secret Wars goes, it's a timeline-and-multiverse shattering event so it doesn't matter what timeline it disrupts. Even if Secret Wars destroys Earth-10005 in 2027 such that the events of Logan don't happen in 2029, it doesn't matter as far as Laura's existence goes, as long as she survives that destruction.

CaptainWaterpaper2026-01-08 07:46

I recently made a post about this! You can check out my thoughts on the timeline

[https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories/s/jcl1gjxcvx](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories/s/jcl1gjxcvx)

TDLR: the current timeline has been rewritten by Deadpool & Wolverine. And there are 4 Timelines we’ve seen:

The Original Timeline

The one rewritten after Days of Future Past

The one rewritten after Deadpool 2

The the current one, rewritten after Deadpool & Wolverine

Rickys_Pot_Addiction2026-01-08 08:39

I think there is a very easy explanation that takes 5 seconds.

The rules of DoFP time travel being the same as Endgame. Kitty sending Logan back to the past to prevent the sentinels was not supposed to happen. The DoFP X-Men should have died at the hands of the sentinels. Logan messing with the timeline to stop Trask caused the branches that led to Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool 1 & 2, New Mutants, X-Men Origins etc. And as such created a similar problem to Steve returning to the past to be with Peggy and creating the incursions that are motivating Doom.

unicornioevil2026-01-08 09:48

I’ve always loved studying the madness that is the X-Men movie timelines (unlike the actual movie producers) but why are people saying Mystique died in the 90s? Where is that from?

Sylar_Lives2026-01-08 14:01

Dark Phoenix

Spiderlander2026-01-08 11:25

keinish_the_gnome2026-01-08 13:44

My advice is never spend more mental energy in continuity issues that the the one invested by the people in charge. You'll drive yourself mad if you do.

CharlesKellyRatKing2026-01-08 14:30

I think you are overthinking things a bit.

These are comic book movies

Real_Walk53842026-01-08 15:30

The Logan timeline is the restored days of future past timeline. Everyone died. This is separate.

Markus28222026-01-08 17:02

The simple but not very definitive answer is Deadpool and Wolverine rewrote this reality in their movie and we have no idea what the hell counts and doesn’t count from previous movies

Visible_Safe_89012026-01-08 20:32

The timeline was reset again in DP&W.

ChaosCron12026-01-08 20:36

I know this might be an extremely unpopular opinion but unless a Fox-Men movie is a direct sequel to another (i.e. X-Men, X2, etc.; First Class, DOFP, etc.) they do not exist in the same *exact* timeline.

There's a pretty solid attempt at reconciling and cobbling up together an understandable thread of timelines for the Fox-Men [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelatFox/s/OT6xn1tMuo).

But to me, especially with how much Deadpool screwed around with Time-Travel, it's perfectly reasonable to say that these movies generally exist standalone to each other with timelines that more or less match up during certain points: Nexus Events.

I think the Wolverine movies (Origins, The, and Logan) are actually the most prime examples of why this approach works the best.

Alone, these movies don't necessarily contradict each other but at the same time they don't really connect with each other either outside of broad Wolverine lore. Now added to the rest of the Fox-Men, these movies create loads of continuity issues. Broad strokes of the plot and the lore could still be handwaved into the other movies bit the minutiae of detail can't. If these movies don't even really connect to each other then why would they have to directly connect to the other movies? Why then do the movies that contradict each other have to directly connect in some way either?

The Deadpool movies gave us an easy out. It's all just a jumbled mess of continuity that's been influenced by Time-Travel shenanigans. The most important thing is understanding the continuity that the specific movie and its characters within portray.

Hnro-422026-01-08 21:47

There has to be three timelines in the fox universe.
1. The original DOFP that gets reset
2. The happy ending of DOFP when wolverine jumps back forward
3. The timeline with logan.
Which timeline each movie is in is more up for debate. But the timing of all event that kills all the mutants in logan is incompatible with the happy ending of dofp.

Plus deadpool did a ‘timeline cleanup’ so who knows where weve landed now. Any inconsistencies can be blamed on deadpool

Spaceballz12026-01-08 22:11

Putting WAY too much thought into this. Ride the wave.

Alarming-Sherbert2442026-01-12 03:06

This is something that has driven me crazy. The main X-Men Timeline chronologically was X-Men: First Class (2011), X-Men Origins: Wolverine - 1979 (2009), X-Men (2000), X2 (2003), X-Men: The Last Stand (2006), The Wolverine (2013) and X-Men: Days of Future Past - 2023 Dystopian Future (2014). Then the ending of *X-Men: Days of Future Past*, Mystique's actions in the Past (1973) dramatically altered the future by not Killing Bolivar Trask which altered the main timeline and led to the new X-Men Timeline - X-Men: First Class (2011), X-Men: Days of Future Past (1973), X-Men: Apocalypse - 1983 (2016), X-Men Dark Phoenix - 1992 (2019), X-Men (2000), X2 (2003), Deadpool (2016), Deadpool 2 (2018), X-Men: Days of Future Past Epilogue (2023), Deadpool and Wolverine (2024) and Cable's Dystopian Future (2050's). Obviously the events of X-Men and X2 happened differently or not at all and erased X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Wade Wilson in X-Men Origins: Wolverine was an adult in 1979 and served on the Team X under the command of William Stryker instead of the 2010's where he was ex-miliary and eventually a mercenary for hire. Somehow, the ending of DOFP altered some characters being born earlier like Jubilee, Warren Worthington III/Angel, Wade Wilson and Piotr Rasputin/Colossus. Hugh Jackman originally said Logan existed in a "slightly different universe" or timeline from the main *X-Men* movies but director James Mangold contradicts this and says that Logan takes place in the future (2029) of the main X-Men timeline, years after Days of Future Past but exists in a separate "universe" or "paradigm" to give creative freedom, allowing for a different tone and avoiding continuity issues with other films, essentially a standalone story that acknowledges the past but isn't strictly bound by it. The Westchester Incident happened in 2028, in the timeline of the movie Logan, when a seizure from an aging, Alzheimer's-afflicted Professor Charles Xavier accidentally killed several X-Men and injured 600 people. In my opinion Logan always worked best as a standalone story set in a seperate timeline because the movie showed that a serum stopped new mutants from being born around 2004, leading to the near-extinction of mutants and Logan's tragic end. This is why. Deadpool and Wolverine comes along and says the time travel used by Cable and Deadpool in *Deadpool 2* created multiple alternate timelines and complicated the main timeline (Earth-10005). Probably the time travel in Days of Future Past disrupted things too. However, Deadpool and Wolverine take place in 2024 and Logan took place in 2029 and they're obviously saying Logan is set in the main timeline but Deadpool is aware of Logan's death and X-23/Laura. Paradox says Logan was the anchor being of Earth-10005) and his death means his timeline begins to decay and eventually be erased from existence. It makes sense why the TVA would know but Deadpool and Wolverine takes place only one year after the Days of Future Past epilogue and Logan's alive. In the void, when Laura is talking to the Wolverine variant, she mentions she got to grow up because of Logan (before she got pruned) and that would've been in the 2030's. In the MCU, going into the past (via the Quantum Realm) creates a new, alternate timeline where your changes happen, while your original timeline remains unchanged. Bruce Banner explained you can't alter your own past because that past becomes a new future for the traveler, and their original present can't be changed. So going by this logic, now we have multiple branches of the main X-Men Timeline (Pre-DOFP, Post-DOFP, Logan and the multiple ones Deadpool did in Deadpool 2 (**Saving Vanessa:** Deadpool goes back roughly six weeks to prevent Vanessa's death, ensuring she survives\*\*, Saving X-Force:\*\* He also uses the device to save his fallen X-Force members, Peter and Shatterstar **and Killing** ***Origins*** **Deadpool:** he travels back to 1979 to kill the version of himself from *X-Men Origins: Wolverine)*. So, using this logic I think Logan in Days of Future Past, created a new, brighter branch timeline that Deadpool inhabits and the dark future in Logan (2017) is another branched timeline. Earth-10005 now has a variant Wolverine as the new Anchor Being, Laura is now part of the main timeline and the Fox X-Men still exist. So, basically, Deadpool and Wolverine muddied the water and cleaned it up too. Also, Earth-10005 was under rogue TVA agent Mr. Paradox's oversight and jurisdiction, so everything's essentially a time paradox. I look at the X-Men in Avengers Doomsday as a seperate Earth or branched timeline.

Wtygrrr2026-01-13 13:41

There’s no reason to assume that the X-Men in Doomsday are from 10005.