Avengers doomsday Wild theory

Theory: Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts & Wakanda are being set up for the Incursion saga
Based on the leaked Fantastic Four trailer, I think the F4 don’t arrive as a full team. Only Ben Grimm (possibly Sue Storm) lands in Wakanda, while Reed Richards and Johnny Storm are stranded in another universe or separated during an incursion.
In Thunderbolts, the team spots the F4 spaceship entering Earth’s orbit and tracks it to Wakanda. This brings New Cap (Sam Wilson), Falcon, and possibly Ant-Man to Wakanda as well.
Wakanda then becomes the first major multiverse war room, where Avengers, Thunderbolts, and the Fantastic Four finally connect the dots about Doctor Doom and incoming incursions.
Basically: Wakanda isn’t just a landing zone. It’s ground zero. 🌍

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Mason-Jin2026-01-06 18:55

That would be a narrative parallel to Infinity War when everyone on earth converged at Wakanda

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-06 19:01

Yes exactly

JANTlvr2026-01-06 23:08

Which makes it feel like a rehash to me.

igot2pair2026-01-07 03:37

What makes you think thats a bad idea in their minds

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 11:00

There’s only so much you can do with such a loaded cast. You have to break them up into separate story arcs so they all get room to develop, then have them converge in some manner for the big finish. This way of navigating large casts has always been used even outside of Marvel, in things like Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, pretty much every Star Wars movie, and pretty much any other large scale story that has several main characters.

GiveMeSomeSunshine32026-01-06 19:00

Okoye: when you said you'd open Wakanda for the rest of the world, this isn't what I had imagined.

T'Challa: then what did you imagine?

Okoye: Probably Olympics, maybe even the Starbucks.

(And all they get is only wars 😭)

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-06 19:02

🤣🤣

Altruistic_Eye_11572026-01-06 19:21

- Their king is assassinated in an attack that wasn't even meant for him.

- His successor is nearly killed.

- They suffer a usurpation of the throne.

- Their heart-shaped flower is destroyed.

- Half their population is wiped out, along with the king and his sister.

- Their king dies from an illness.

- Their relationship with the world deteriorates.

- Another nation floods their capital, and their queen dies.

They have suffered more than all three versions of Spider-Man combined.

Fun-Poet53382026-01-06 21:06

You forgot the little "Psychopath outsider comes and starts a civil war and nearly starts ww3" part. Also their current queen is tiny and there's a good chance another crazy dude might take the throne unless M'Baku takes over. So yeah, they can't catch a fking break lol.

skyeguye2026-01-06 21:37

M’baku is king now

Little_Setting2026-01-06 21:57

Should've became the panther too, or Nakia. She'd have killed it.

ReasonableFruit12026-01-06 22:03

M'Baku can't be the Black Panther. He worships the White Gorilla god, not the Black Panther

Little_Setting2026-01-06 22:07

Thanks, I forgot about glory to Hanuman

RaphaelUrbino2026-01-06 23:26

Not to be that guy, but in the comics, there's a White Gorilla that is similar to the Black Panther. I've been hoping they adopt some version of that in the movies somehow.

ReasonableFruit12026-01-07 00:30

Isn’t that just M’Baku aka Man-Ape? Or is there another entity that gains power from the White Gorilla?

RaphaelUrbino2026-01-07 00:32

Yes! Forgot he had an actual name and not "White Gorilla"

FerrusManlyManus2026-01-07 02:54

Man-Ape, a name for a super powered Black guy is not a good look.

I do think it would be cool if M’Baku takes the herb though.

Fun-Poet53382026-01-06 22:12

Good for him.

Suspicious-Word-75892026-01-07 04:20

You bald headed demon

jwbrkr742026-01-07 05:51

Best line in that movie. It came out of nowhere and was so unexpected...all while eating a carrot 😂

chickenkebaap2026-01-08 02:18

Shuri is not queen.

Mbaku is the king now. Shuri is more of a nuclear nadal for Mbaku

Fun-Poet53382026-01-08 12:20

All I can picture now is M'Baku doing the neck-cut gesture when Shuri or Okoye doesn't follow his orders lmao.

chickenkebaap2026-01-08 13:01

![gif](giphy|JOeXqZebetYyY)

Rejectbango2026-01-06 21:15

What is the saying?

![gif](giphy|t8YMMZ1JVw4DOMZHI6)

CaptHayfever2026-01-08 20:45

Is that Janelle Monae dressed as a leopard-print peacock doing the Wakandan salute?

FX1142026-01-06 21:19

Most of those things happened before they opened themselves to the world.

notJ3ff2026-01-06 21:35

The Asgardians have entered the chat.

adminofsub2026-01-06 22:40

"I have given everything for this country. Haven't I?" Reverberating in my ears from Angela Bassett

dreadmonster2026-01-06 23:03

I hope the next movie addresses this. Since T'Challa had opened Wakanda to the outside world things have seemingly only gotten worse for the citizens of Wakanda. Would be a great way of introducing Tetu and Zenzi.

elizabnthe2026-01-07 06:17

Poor Shuri has been through the wringer in the MCU.

RhaegarJ2026-01-06 20:05

Starbucks would be a brutal punishment

nerdmoot2026-01-06 20:19

I read this in their voices.

RedXerzk2026-01-07 00:03

At this point, I don’t think the majority of Wakanda citizens even support opening themselves to the world. They had the highest standard of living on Earth, now must feel dread from becoming ground zero of foreign sci-fi wars every few years. Namor attacked their capital, drowned many civilians, and murdered their queen, now their current queen Shuri stands alongside him.

pkjoan2026-01-06 19:21

Vanessa Kirby said that multiple people will be at the F4 building. At some point they will travel to 828.

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-06 19:38

That might be the initial scene when their 828 earth might be colliding with another

BranAllBrans2026-01-06 19:49

I think the F4 building is the ship we see. Reed solved for this issue already and the raft may be their Baxter bldg

Rickys_Pot_Addiction2026-01-06 22:22

I’d bet money that the final act will be an all out assault on Latveria on Earth 828. Doom is holding the children in his castle there. We get a big battle sequence of the various heroes teaming up to fight Doom bots.

WadsofTissue2026-01-07 03:28

That might be where we see Human Torch chained up like we did in the concept art

IndependentBit97452026-01-08 01:47

I'm pretty sure the final battle will take place in the TVA but that'd be cool to see

chickenkebaap2026-01-08 02:17

Doom catches franklin richards trying to escape with a map

Doom: where did you find this ?

Franlin: your… mom

mvrander2026-01-06 19:31

I think there's a chance we see some characters from universe A going to universe B and then all being forced to go to universe C rather than A and B going to C (presumably 616) separately which could lead to groups encountering each other in stages

bigtoe2152026-01-06 19:31

I just really hope that RDJ is a decoy and isn't really doom and its a different actor. RdJ return as iron man amd doom isn't revealed until second movie(actor) But im in for these movies regardless

Carouselcolours2026-01-06 19:32

Rumours are saying it is supposedly Reed discussing the situation with Shuri as two of the smartest people of their respective universes. But otherwise, I agree with this.

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-06 19:40

So why didn't they show reed in this new teaser and just ben .

bookingbooker2026-01-06 19:43

Because Ben is funny.

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-06 19:51

Agree to disagree 😄

unreasonable-frog2026-01-07 01:25

Why would they?

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-08 09:10

Also saw this alan Cummings new interview in which he said he was fighting along side(or against whatever) pedro pascal . That means he is with the xmen guys initially

[deleted]2026-01-08 09:16

> That means he is with the xmen guys ***initially***

Did Alan Cumming specify that this scene occurs in the beginning of the film?

Or is that just an assumption?

gotchibabe2026-01-08 11:42

Assumption

neendmat12026-01-08 12:20

Why don't they just show the whole movie in the teaser

fuckingghosts2026-01-06 19:33

That last sentence smells of ChatGPT lol

Priyansh_mahajan2026-01-06 19:41

Ya I used chatgpt to refine vocab😛😀

potatopeetee2026-01-06 20:49

It isn’t just X, it’s the whole Y is such a chatgpt sign.

fuckingghosts2026-01-06 20:53

True true

DarthMummSkeletor2026-01-06 23:55

It isn't just a chatgpt sign--it's a whole billboard.

moose_dad2026-01-07 02:02

with the emoji as well lmao

Fun-Poet53382026-01-06 21:07

Fr lmao.

kulitchipon2026-01-07 01:58

Ugh I can't unsee it now

Spider-Flash242026-01-06 19:43

We really went from everything happening in New York to everything happening in Wakanda.

TomClancy58732026-01-06 19:44

Wakanda trying to hide from the world, yet Thanos landed there, and now Doom?

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 11:02

Thanos had five infinity stones at his disposal when he found it. Doom could potentially have the power of the TVA by the movies end.

ManitouWakinyan2026-01-06 21:01

>Wakanda isn’t just a landing zone. It’s ground zero. 🌍

okay chat

buefordwilson2026-01-06 23:24

Chat?? Good Point There.

TarnishedAccount2026-01-06 21:12

Wakanda vs Latveria is a tale as old as time

foxehkins2026-01-06 21:26

![gif](giphy|G4ZNYMQVMH6us)

worm78902026-01-06 21:42

Does this mean we get an alternate universe with Michael B Jordan as the Black Panther?

navjot942026-01-08 17:21

Ryan Gosling

vortextempo2026-01-06 21:56

Man I’ll be very honest. I actually love what they’re doing in this saga with the multiple timelines. But it’s just SO CONFUSING. I have no idea what universe each person is in. If there is some source where it is explained can someone please share it here? I’d love to catch up and know what’s happening

reuxin2026-01-07 03:40

People can correct me if I'm wrong. It is confusing. I'll mark the stuff that's not really referenced in the movies.

\- The Deadpool Universe is Earth-10005 (this is official from Deadpool & Wolverine). We don't know if the X-Men in the trailer are from that Universe or not. Time is wacky in this universe but this is the original number of the Fox X-Men Universe. Monica is probably stuck in this Universe (end of The Marvels). Logan is a split off separate timeline from Earth-10005 (Logan takes place in like 2029 and Deadpool gets Logan from an earlier point in the timeline - super nutty confusing).

\- The universe of the Illuminati in Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is Earth-838 (this is official, said in the movie). In this universe Wanda killed most of the Illumanti including Professor X.

\- The universe of the Fantastic Four is Earth-828 (official, on screen in the movie). This is a reference to Jack Kirby's birthdate. Confusing because it's so close to the number used in Dr. Strange.

\- Sony's Venom-verse (including Venom, Morbius, Madame Web, Kraven) is Earth-688 (official?)

\- Sony's Tobey McGuire Spider-Verse/Raimi-Verse is Earth-96283 (not official?)

\- Sony's Andrew Garfield Spider-Man Verse is Earth-120703 (which is the release date of the first film July 3, 2012)

\- Loki series deals more with branched timelines of the main Marvel Universe

\- Most of the rest of the live action movies and Disney+ shows (and the Netflix shows) take place in Earth-616. Early on there was a book published (not under Fiege at the time) which put the number at Earth-199999 but ever since Thor: The Dark World the in universe reference has been 616, this was definitively solidified in Dr. Strange/MOM and in Loki. They probably made the choice for "616" because it was much less clunky to say on screen than "1999999". Iman Valani will disagree with this in interviews and be corrected by Feige himself.

\- The status of the the ABC shows (Agens of SHIELD and Inhumans) is unknown. Inhumans is definiately not in the 616 and given the lack of Inhumans in general there is a lot of arguments about Agents of Shield that I won't get into here - it at least started out as Earth-616 and it's status of canon in Earth-616 will probably be hotly debated until the end of time).

\- Other Marvel project (like Runaways) are not considered part of Earth-616.

\- The status of the Animated series, and whether they are part of the "live action" multiverse is currently unknown. Eyes of Wakanda = likely canon in Earth-616, X-Men 97 is Earth-92131 (unofficial?), Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Earth-86445 (unofficial?), and What If? takes place in a different universe almost every epsidoe.

Yes - confusing.

I think for Doomsday all you will have to know is that there is an "Avengers Universe we all know and love" and that "Fantastic Four are from a retro universe" and "X-Men are from the X-Men universe". Everything else will be hand waved with "Variants from other Universes"

bananastandforsale2026-01-07 03:56

Just fyi: great collection of info so far. You may want to include Daredevil/Defenders/Kingpin/Punisher. I believe that is also part of the main MCU timeline correct?

reuxin2026-01-07 04:26

Yeah - the Netflix shows were officially retconned into the main MCU 616 when Disney purchased the shows from Netflix directly. So Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, etc. are all part of the main Earth-616.

On Disney+ they were inserted into the "MCU Complete Timeline", while the ABC shows (which Disney owns) like Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter (the series - the One Shot is MCU) and Inhumans are not. [Marvel | Disney+](https://www.disneyplus.com/browse/marvel)

Make of that what you will. I consider them a separate branch from the main MCU-616 timeline myself, but others are welcome to disagree. Not that it matters, those timelines are just as valid as the Spider-Man timelines or the X-Men timelines in the "multiverse"

I also made an adjustment to Deadpool/Logan in the above, because I got it wrong. But the X-Men continuity is \*that\* confusing :)

vortextempo2026-01-07 03:58

Thank you this makes it easier for me!

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 11:09

I personally think it would simplify things if they’d just lump the Raimi universe into 1000-5. I also see no story purpose to having the Doomsday X-Men and the Deadpool team in separate universes. It would needlessly complicate things after they already intentionally kept the OG actors for the sake of simplicity. The most reasonable answer is that 1000-5 as it exists currently is the result of the changes made by Logan in DoFP mixed with the changes Deadpool and Cable made with the timewatch device, with the added stabilization after the events of Deadpool and Wolverine. It was a messy and unstable universe under the mismanagement of Paradox, but all the problems were patched up after TVA upper management stepped in.

Powerful-Cry-22732026-01-06 23:12

Would be infinity war once again, they probably have something else

pioneerSolid32026-01-06 23:15

Is that gambit?! ... He's gonna make a name for himself!!

evanweb5462026-01-06 23:23

Ben and Sue being w/ the MCU crew and Reed and Johnny being in the Fox-verse tracks.

dplans4552026-01-06 23:47

We already had a huge fight in Wakanda. We don't need another one.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 11:11

If anything, the most sensible location for the final fight to take place would be the TVA. I imagine they’ll have it spread out between all the relevant universes though rather than one central location.

dplans4552026-01-07 19:35

There's no way their tentpole movie's big final battle scene takes place in a location that has only ever shown up in the Disney+ tv series.

Heavy-Comment-25862026-01-06 23:50

Wakanda as ground zero a second time?

EnigmaFrug08172026-01-07 01:34

Hear me out: Ben Grimm and one other in Wakanda, Reed Richards and one other are with the X-Men

Razatiger2026-01-07 01:54

Wakanda has been the hub for a big part of the MCU to pretty much everything, so this isn't surprising.

WorldlinessTop84132026-01-07 04:15

Great theory

Meizas2026-01-07 05:22

Ok ChatGPT

Iamjaykrishnan2026-01-07 06:09

This isn't wild, At wakanda the heroes will assemble and America Chavez might open the portal to 10005 and they'll enter from Wakanda to the X mansion

keithstonee2026-01-07 10:17

I hate fan theories. All they can do is successfully spoil shit.

CaptHayfever2026-01-08 20:48

Or, when they're wrong, get people angry about something that was never gonna happen.

Sylar_Lives2026-01-07 10:55

I can picture the F4 splitting up between 616, 1000-5, and 828. It makes sense for the story to be unfolding in all three universes concurrently. As an aside I’d absolutely love if they retroactively lumped in the Raimi Spider-Man movies with 1000-5 just to keep things simple. Though I’m probably one of the five people out here that hopes that 688 gets included in some manner after all the set up with Venom in Mexico and Adrian Toomes getting dumped there after Stranges spell.

If nothing else, I’d just love to see Norman Osborn and Tom Hardy’s Venom in Battleworld. My only exposure to the Secret Wars story was in the 90s Spider-Man show, where Battleworld was divided into different kingdoms ruled by villains. Imagine having lands controlled by Dafoe Osborn, McKellan Magneto ruling the land of mutants, 688 Knull ruling the land of symbiotes, 838 Mordo heading the sorcerers, 616 Namor keeping his ocean kingdom, 616 Ross leading the Hulks, 616 Red Skull rebuilding Hydra etc with Doom ruling over them all. Adrian Toomes could have his own little team consisting of 688 rogues like Morbius, Kraven, Rhino, and Chameleon. As for Venom, I’m picturing a situation in which Eddie Brock is killed and the symbiote has to jump to Peter Parker.

dawne_breaker2026-01-07 11:15

Or the F4 team splits up to join the other heroes elsewhere. Like, they land in New York. They decide that they need the help of the Wakandans for reasons and they decide on who goes ”I’ll go, I’m of no use here anyway”, declares Ben. ”I’ll go get that Man-Spider”, suggests Johnny.

Unfriendly_Giraffe2026-01-07 21:20

Wakanda, again? There's an entire planet what's with this.

MessyMop2026-01-08 12:39

I was thinking Reed is home braining over the issue while the rest of the 4 are sent across the multiverse to find the smartest person from different worlds. Ben gets Shuri, Sue or Johnny gets Beast from Fox X-Men and maybe the third goes to Raimi-verse or something

dicjones2026-01-08 13:11

There is also a special guest on that ship, don’t know who it is, but on the John Campea show both Jon and Rob know the entire story of Doomsday. Rob made a comment the other day about Doomsday and Jon said something to the effect of “well, you know who is on that ship”. Maybe it’s just the FF, but that’s not what it felt like that comment meant.

NamelessGamer_12026-01-08 13:31

We are getting closer and closer to that old leak that said Shuri would be the one discovering the incursions, and I don't like that at all

inotwaza2026-01-08 15:35

Forgot Sam was in it 😭

Tatsuchew2026-01-10 14:16

Wakanda is ground zero in the comics incursions. This isn't exactly "wild".