Ironheart is NOT worth it! I should've trusted my instincts and skipped this show!
I'm only posting this because this show cost me 6 hours of my life.
I told myself I wasn't going to watch any of the MCU shows after Loki (S1). WandaVision was great. Falcon and the Winter Soldier was good but not great. Loki, season 1, not a fan. I skipped Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Secret Invasion, you name it. I watched Hawkeye because I kept hearing people say it's a great show to watch during December. I watched Daredevil Born Again because I loved the Netflix show. I wasn't interested in any other MCU shows until recently.
I watched Loki season 2 to "get ready" for Doomsday. That season is way better than season 1. After watching that show, I thought, maybe I should give the other shows a try. I kept seeing posts hate on Ironheart and post defending Ironheart. I was curious and wanted to know for myself. A part of me wanted to only focus on the shows that are widely praised like Hawkeye. I should have trusted my instincts.
The show, Ironheart, is like squeezing hours of filler, meh, whatever, fluff content to enjoy some minutes of that good juice.
WandaVision and Hawkeye should be the staple for MCU shows. If the creative team behind a miniseries don't have a clear plan for making every minute of every episode worthwhile just make it into a Special Presentation like Werewolf by Night or The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special instead.
Ironheart would have been significantly better if it was a Special Presentation. There's so much of the show that could've been cut down or frankly removed to streamline the story. If Ironheart was a 90 minute Special Presentation, it probably would've been better received.
*The following claims have spoilers for the show*
>!Keep that she's expelled from school and that she's desperate for money. Streamline Riri working one big heist with the gang while she works with Zeke/Joe. Streamline A.I. N.A.T.A.L.I.E., because it's a 90minute special. Don't introduce her to Riri durinf the Special. She should've been around. The last 45 minutes should be the heist going wrong finding out about Parker's cloak and a big battle at the end.!<
Or if not, then make it a 3 episode miniseries if you really want to keep all the other stuff. Fuse episode 1 & 2, fuse 3 & 4, fuse 5 & 6, and cut out all the filler.
There's just so fluff in this show that drags on. There are good moments on this show. Falcon and Winter Soldier (FaWS) are guilty of this too. I did enjoy FaWS but there were so many moments that felt like the audience is being forced to kill time with the characters before we get some traction.
During Ironheart, I felt like Parker aka The Hood. >!I had to suffer so much to get what I was promised and once I got it, it wasn't enough! It wasn't worth the pain.!<
>!"It sounds kind of stupid when I say it outloud but I trusted you."!<
I've enjoyed the two Special Presentations that the MCU has offered. I would be more down to watch more Special Presentation that these miniseries. What about you? Would you prefer if the MCU made more Special Presentations? Do you think Ironheart would've benefited from being a 90minute Special instead? [+]
I told myself I wasn't going to watch any of the MCU shows after Loki (S1). WandaVision was great. Falcon and the Winter Soldier was good but not great. Loki, season 1, not a fan. I skipped Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, Secret Invasion, you name it. I watched Hawkeye because I kept hearing people say it's a great show to watch during December. I watched Daredevil Born Again because I loved the Netflix show. I wasn't interested in any other MCU shows until recently.
I watched Loki season 2 to "get ready" for Doomsday. That season is way better than season 1. After watching that show, I thought, maybe I should give the other shows a try. I kept seeing posts hate on Ironheart and post defending Ironheart. I was curious and wanted to know for myself. A part of me wanted to only focus on the shows that are widely praised like Hawkeye. I should have trusted my instincts.
The show, Ironheart, is like squeezing hours of filler, meh, whatever, fluff content to enjoy some minutes of that good juice.
WandaVision and Hawkeye should be the staple for MCU shows. If the creative team behind a miniseries don't have a clear plan for making every minute of every episode worthwhile just make it into a Special Presentation like Werewolf by Night or The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special instead.
Ironheart would have been significantly better if it was a Special Presentation. There's so much of the show that could've been cut down or frankly removed to streamline the story. If Ironheart was a 90 minute Special Presentation, it probably would've been better received.
*The following claims have spoilers for the show*
>!Keep that she's expelled from school and that she's desperate for money. Streamline Riri working one big heist with the gang while she works with Zeke/Joe. Streamline A.I. N.A.T.A.L.I.E., because it's a 90minute special. Don't introduce her to Riri durinf the Special. She should've been around. The last 45 minutes should be the heist going wrong finding out about Parker's cloak and a big battle at the end.!<
Or if not, then make it a 3 episode miniseries if you really want to keep all the other stuff. Fuse episode 1 & 2, fuse 3 & 4, fuse 5 & 6, and cut out all the filler.
There's just so fluff in this show that drags on. There are good moments on this show. Falcon and Winter Soldier (FaWS) are guilty of this too. I did enjoy FaWS but there were so many moments that felt like the audience is being forced to kill time with the characters before we get some traction.
During Ironheart, I felt like Parker aka The Hood. >!I had to suffer so much to get what I was promised and once I got it, it wasn't enough! It wasn't worth the pain.!<
>!"It sounds kind of stupid when I say it outloud but I trusted you."!<
I've enjoyed the two Special Presentations that the MCU has offered. I would be more down to watch more Special Presentation that these miniseries. What about you? Would you prefer if the MCU made more Special Presentations? Do you think Ironheart would've benefited from being a 90minute Special instead? [+]
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Or you could just explain what it is
Slow burns were never for everyone, but I feel they've become even more hated nowadays.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and I’m grateful I didn’t listen to any of the people who pre-judged the show before it dropped….heck I’ve enjoyed all of the Marvel Disney + shows for different reasons (with the exception of “Secret Invasion”)
And I hope to see more of RiRi, Zelma and Ezekiel Stane in future projects….
There's no rumors about Moon Knight, She-Hulk, or Werewolf by Midnight that I'm aware of, so you might be right. I mean, I'm still waiting on the teased storyline of Mordo being a sorcerer-killer to start/finish/payoff. For the longest time I felt that it's going to never be addressed but the Stranger Academy rumor has me thinking that MAYBE we'll finally get a follow up on that. Again, all we can do is wait and see. [+]
>And I hope to see more of RiRi, Zelma and Ezekiel Stane in future projects….
Same
THAT’S RIGHT
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I only watched Hawkeye because people said it was a great show to watch during the holidays and I am emotionally invested in Netflix's Daredevil so I watched that show too. I watched Loki season 2 to get ready for Doomsday. That's why I skipped the shows.
I watched Ironheart and didn't care too much for it so IDK if I should bother watching the other shows. [+]
I was thinking about watching Moon Knight because I seem to see a lot of praise for the show. I'm also a fan of Isaac. I was also thinking about Echo because, as you shared, to complement Hawkeye and DD.
IDK. I'll take it into consideration. I just watched Loki season 2 and Ironheart these last two weeks and my winter break is almost over, ao we'll see. Thank you for your insight. [+]
I won't though cuz I still love Tony Stark. He ain't replacin... EXCEPT if marvel shows that kid from Iron Man 3 with a suit
For Last Airbender, I tell people to watch "Tales of Ba Sing Se" which is Episode 15 of Season 2. If they enjoy that episode then jump back to Episode 1 of Season 1. It's like using the narrative structure of *In Medias Res*, which is commonly used in films like Forrest Gump, Deadpool (1), Wolverine and Deadpool (film), The Emperors New Groove, etc.
The story starts near a climax and then loops back to the start. The whole, "you must be wondering how I got here" trope.
I encourage others to watch a later episode because if they enjoy it then they'll be more motivated to start the series. The Last Airbender is a long series.
With Ironheart, it's relatively short. It's only 6 hours in comparison to The Last Airbender which is roughly 24 hours. For Ironheart I would encourage you between two choices.
Either watch the episode 5 in its entirety or watch half of episode 6.
I think episode 6 is the best episode, so I'd be inclined to pick that one if it wasn't the actual last episode. That's why I would encourage you more to watch episode 5. It's close to the end but it's not the ending so you can watch the whole thing. If you don't want to spend an hour trying out the show then watching 24 minutes of episode 6 is what I would encourage you to watch. [+]
I will🤘
They legit cant digest the fact that MCU tried to adapt an already flop comic book character and instead of taking special care they just rolled a half-assed product and 'surprisingly' it didnt work
This actually describes a lot of MCU launches after Endgame
The MCU would look wildly different
Quantity over quality.
The leaked Doomsday trailers motivated me to watched Loki (S2). I enjoyed it so I thought maybe I should give the other shows a shot. Ironheart felt like it was guilty of having moments to fill up time like FaWs and Loki did. So, IDK. I was interested in Agatha All Along because of it's connection to WV. The same way I was interested in Echo because of it's connection to Hawkeye and Daredevil. I'm unsure if I'll watch it but I am going to take it into consideration. [+]
So, I disagree with you that Riri is bad in the comics. But, I mean, I've seen people say that Hawkeye was a bad show and people apparently loved Ironheart, so it's all subjective. It's all relative I guess. [+]
Can you only tolerate a show when it’s fight scenes anything else is just fluff to pad runtime.
We need to properly learn about Riri’s depression and how she’s been struggling with recent losses, we need to see she gets properly entangled in that illegal lifestyle not just one bad day, we need to see that this lifestyle leads to her making a deal she really shouldn’t have made. If we don’t have all of this to learn how messed up Riri is her making a deal with the devil isn’t that big a deal and seems like something anybody would do not just those vulnerable and desperate enough to take it.
No one is going to convince me that we needed 6 hours to give Riri some character development. That every minute of every episode was compelling storytelling. I don't even think people are reading the OP. I suggested to make the miniseries of 3 to 4 episodes instead or if it was a 90 minute Special then it should streamline the overall story.
No one is going to convince me that Riri had better character development than Simba did in Lion King because Simba only has 90 minutes and Riri got 6 hours. Quantity does not equal quality. [+]
Your suggestion was don’t showcase Riri is grieving just show she’s poor and needs to do a single heist to earn money but it fails so she makes a deal with the devil instead.
It’s sounding a lot less like the show had too much fluff and more like you just don’t like Riri as a character and don’t want to watch so much of her
You can still show Riri grieving. Again, you cant convince me that Simba wasn't grieving in Lion King because he only had 90 minutes and we need an episodic series of Lion King that offers 6 hours to *actually* shows Simba grieving.
Moreover, what I suggested was made off the cuff. We can refine it. The only reason why I suggested to take out the introduction to N.A.T.A.L.I.E. is because of the time constraints. I never suggested to remove her entirely. I also suggested to cut the show down into 3 or 4 episodes if you really want to keep everything that was worth the squeeze in this show.
N.A.T.A.L.I.E.'s arc was one of the better aspects of the show. You can still highlight this in a Special Presentation. However, you do need to take stuff out. Mainly being N.A.T.A.L.I.E.'s introduction. Having a full introduction, where the audience is witnessing Riri meet N.A.T.A.L.I.E. will take time. It can't be a 90 minute Special Presentation with all the aspects of the heist as well and magic and everything else. It would have to be an actual film at that point if you want to keep the introduction but not make it a miniseries.
There is so much that could be done. [+]
Take a movie like iron man you can condense the plot of the first movie down into a special presentation but by doing so you remove a lot of character development.
Everything you’re suggesting is basically boiling down to Riri doesn’t deserve this screentime so let’s limit it as much as possible
The core or our disagreement is that you prefer quantity over quality and I don't. That's cool. You can believe that Lion King, Nightmare Before Christmas, Toy Story, and many other 90 minute films fail to have character development. That's cool. I don't.
I don't believe in quantity over quality. I subscribe to quality over quantity. That's cool. You can believe that Ironheart is superior to Nightmare Before Christmas because of the quantity of runtime that Ironheart offers. I believe Nightmare Before Christmas is superior because of the quality of the runtime that the movie offers in comparison to Ironheart. That's cool.
You can continue to enjoy quantity over quality. I'll continue to enjoy quality over quantity. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Stay blessed [+]
What do any of these Disney movies have to do with anything, judging by the fact that all your examples of quality over quantity are movies primarily aimed at children makes me think that your age/type of media you’ve consumed is not very high.
Also quantity over quality is a meaningless argument because any of the movies you’ve given as examples could just as easily be squeezed into a 45 minute special and you’d still get the core of the story.
I mean 33 minutes of nightmare before Christmas is songs, you could cut those songs and still get the core idea of Jack stealing Christmas and realising his errors.
So it seems less like you prefer quality over quantity and instead I prefer quantity when it suits me
Your I prefer quantity over quality argument was meaningless because really all it said was you prefer quantity when it’s something you enjoy, you’re okay with nightmare before Christmas being an extra 33 minutes because that’s quantity you enjoy even though you can remove it and still get a quality story.
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But ya lost me after you said you didn't like the Loki show lol
I enjoyed WandaVision. Then Falcon and the Winter Soldier was also enjoyable, but the show felt like they included filler to meet a time/episode requirement. Loki (S1) also felt like there was filler to meet a number which then made it feel like a chore to watch. [+]