Is it just me or is MARVEL getting desperate with their viewers?

Recently all these teasers came out for Doomsday, and it constantly is from some of the OG players like Thor or Captain America, and honestly? For me it screams desperation.

''Come and see Doomsday! All of the heroes you loved back in Endgame are here, and they will be there again! What, you're not interested?? But... Thor is coming... as well as Captain America, no not Sam, but the OG Steve Rogers!''

Ever since Endgame, Marvel hasn't gotten as many views as it did before, and I think if Doomsday is probably Marvels last straw, hence the desperation in getting the viewers come see their films.

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darkwalrus362026-01-06 08:05

They're definitely leaning into nostalgia. We'll see if it's at the cost of story or not.

ButWereFriends2026-01-06 08:08

Marvels last straw?

Yea. The 30 billion dollar film franchise is probably going to just end if internet nerds complain to much.

horkrux892026-01-06 17:07

Marvel lost roughly half of their audience. Just look at the box office stats in the last few years.

Caciulacdlac2026-01-06 18:34

And yet it shows no sign of ending anytime soon.

horkrux892026-01-06 19:07

Trying to keep a sinking ship afloat isn't a sign of success or quality.

They need to course correct after secret wars. Fewer releases and stop giving every single character its own show just because a dozen people on this sub enjoy the content.

Caciulacdlac2026-01-06 19:24

You don't think they are already "course correcting"?

horkrux892026-01-06 20:42

It seems like they are. But I don't think we can really judge if the correction is effective until after the next two avengers movies. They will make money no doubt, but a large part of that will be nostalgia baits with old characters coming back. That's not gonna be enough.

megadroid_optimizer2026-01-07 07:35

No ending but we will return to superhero movies just being blockbuster movies. The novelty of the ‘superhero’ has worn off.

Caciulacdlac2026-01-07 09:22

What do you mean by blockbuster?

Little_Slide_57742026-01-06 17:22

That’s literally how this works lmao look at how Star Wars is going

ButWereFriends2026-01-06 17:58

There are currently 5 Star Wars movies in production

Caciulacdlac2026-01-06 18:33

And who knows how many shows

horkrux892026-01-06 19:07

Including Rian Johnsons trilogy which is in production for almost a decade now?

Possible_Ad_77832026-01-06 23:37

If nerds stop paying 😂😂

epsilon18562026-01-06 08:09

It's really not that complicated. People want to see the og avengers and that's what they're gonna give us

RedScribbles2026-01-06 08:10

Its called Marketing. I get it we all love our MCU but personal opions aside. The big two can make them the most and consistently. Just like in comics; I'm not trying to buy the next Steve Roger's Nomad book. Give me more Cap.

Southern_Stage_76632026-01-06 08:10

Well I hope they are part of the story and not just cameos, but thor was serious, thats a good sign.

SnooTomatoes47342026-01-06 08:11

I mean yes for Cpt America but did you think Thor wasn’t gunna be shown ? He has continuity so it makes sense but they basically brought Cpt. America back after basically saying goodbye in endgame.

Thor makes complete sense tho. It’s still gunna have the Avengers team that still lived on. Hence title “Avengers: Doomsday”. Did you expect them to leave out the Avengers ? Also if you want to be technical Steve never really died, so if ppl expected this to not be an “Avengers” movie then I fear they’re in for a shocker.

Possible_Ad_77832026-01-06 23:25

I thought he retired and sam is the new captain🤔

ChanceHorror67252026-01-06 08:14

It's just marketing and common sense. The movies of the last few years have not performed tremendously well and Marvel is at a self-admittedly all time low, with none of their new characters landing with general audiences.

This is their one big movie to convince people the next 5-10 years will be worth watching, so of course they are going to go with their classic characters everyone already loves who still has stories left to tell.

niicofrank2026-01-06 08:22

Deadpool and Wolverine made a billion in 2024 (which was not THAT long ago) so I don’t know if you could argue they’re at an “all time low” lmao. they released a few movies with untested/risky leads last year but there’s no way doomsday/secret wars fail to pass a billion. perhaps they won’t make AS much as IW/endgame but they will make a lot of money and then they’re probably pivoting to a focus on X-men stuff which will basically print money and fandom approval unless they really mess it up

jmcgit2026-01-06 16:45

Deadpool still does well, Spider-Man still does well. Established, popular characters still do well, and everything else struggles. That's the lesson audiences have taught Marvel over the past five years.

And therefore, Doomsday.

GKJ67432026-01-08 03:14

F4 was the latest film and I have a hard time believing the characters "didn't land with the audience" considering it did $500M+ at the box office

ChanceHorror67252026-01-08 03:24

and then it hit Disney+ with the worst MCU debut for the service. I am not saying it wasn't successful, it just wasn't as successful as it potentially could have been. All I am saying is it's not surprising they are choosing to focus on the classic characters we haven't seen in years vs characters that just got a movie last summer.

GKJ67432026-01-08 04:43

Until next week at least. And then we have 11 more months to go that'll contain more than basic teasers

niicofrank2026-01-06 08:18

Desperation is when marketing

GKJ67432026-01-08 03:07

For real anything marvel does or doesn't do would be spun into a negative by the anti marvel snobs

shotbydarrell2026-01-06 08:20

Thor was always meant to come back and Steve’s ending in Endgame left it ambiguous enough for a potential comeback. Endgame left too many unanswered questions especially with all the time traveling they did. Doomsday is just them showing the aftermath of all of it. Tony did say “when you mess with time, it tends to mess back”.

eagc72026-01-06 20:56

Yeah i don't get why Thor is grouped with Tony and Steve when talking about Marvel being desesperate, Thor never got his sendoff, he was always intended to stick around for a tad longer.

Fallenjace2026-01-06 08:23

>Recently all these teasers came out for Doomsday

With a few being AI, and not even good AI.

>and it constantly is from some of the OG players like Thor or Captain America

You mean two of the most central figures in the universe? You don't say.

>Ever since Endgame, Marvel hasn't gotten as many views as it did before, and I think if Doomsday is probably Marvels last straw, hence the desperation in getting the viewers come see their films.

... lol.

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness made $955.8 million worldwide.
Far From Home grossed $1.133 billion worldwide, making it the first Spider-Man film to pass the billion-dollar mark, the fourth-highest-grossing film of 2019, and became Sony Pictures' highest-grossing film and the 24th-highest-grossing film of all time
Deadpool & Wolverine made $1.338 billion worldwide, and is the highest-grossing R-rated film ever. Ever.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, $859,208,836 worldwide - and is mostly considered to be a good and not great outing by marvel.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 also did $845.6 million worldwide.

If you haters are gonna make shit up, at least do it with facts. Sure, some movies under-performed (Thunderbolts\*) but were otherwise positively critiqued by the audience.

It's fine to have an opinion, and THINK that Marvel is desperately grasping for nostalgia and anything to raise their bottom line, but don't kid yourself in thinking they're manic and in need of a hit. Doomsday is including X-Men, Thor, And Captain America because believe it or not, people still want to see stories with those characters. And those universes post Doomsday are going to be consolidated into a new universe containing all of the above.

I look forward to seeing what they do.

Little_Slide_57742026-01-06 17:26

A bunch of condescending nonsense lmao

If this movie fails, the general audience will literally stop giving a shit about this universe. It’s all just peak nostalgia peddling to make more money because they’ve been too lazy to continue building a coherent universe.

Bringing back Tony and Steve, along with every single popular legacy character, reeks of desperation irrespective of whether it’ll be good or not.

I’m looking forward to it, but let’s not pretend this franchise isn’t desperately in need of a big hit.

Fallenjace2026-01-06 18:10

"Ugh, you dare use facts to rebut my statement?! So condescending!"

So you have no factual information to provide, just again more personal opinions and feelings that don't support your argument, which doesn't have a leg to stand on?

Cool beans, bro. Good debate.

Little_Slide_57742026-01-06 18:31

Huh?

I’m not the guy you replied to initially weirdo

Fallenjace2026-01-06 18:35

If you defend the argument, it's now your argument, my guy. Weird concept to grasp, I know. But you'll get there, eventually.

Though I admit, I didn't check the name. Statement still stands, nothing factual but feelings coming from you and the OP.

jaythebearded2026-01-06 21:02

The franchise isn't currently at the same peak that it was as the infinity saga ended but let's not pretend they aren't still getting big hits.

SeekerVash2026-01-06 21:11

They aren't.

5 out of the last 6 movies flopped or bombed.

jaythebearded2026-01-06 21:33

Phase 4 and 5 made over 8 billion together.

The GotG 3 and DP&W both did well, so 4 out of 6, not 5. But beyond that 14 movies since the end of the Infinity saga, and 7 of them did were big hits. Come on now. They put out some flops no doubt, but its just denial to act like they haven't put out any big hits for the last half a decade

SeekerVash2026-01-07 17:09

Deadpool is a Fox movie, not an MCU movie. It was just billed as an MCU movie to try and calm down shareholders after Quantumania and The Marvels failed, because they already knew Brave New World was going to fail too and they needed something in between as a success or shareholders would riot.

I didn't say half a decade. I said that 5 out of the last 6 flopped or bombed, which they did.

The last winner they had was Guardians 3, and since then it's been a terrible track record.

GKJ67432026-01-08 02:57

Holy goalpost moving batman

Little_Slide_57742026-01-07 17:45

5 out of the last 6 movies didn't do as well as they would've liked. I hope that clears it. :)

SnooTomatoes47342026-01-07 04:39

idk why ppl like you watch or care but hey thx for funding and hate watching helps support the content tht u hate lol.

Little_Slide_57742026-01-08 11:52

I watch because i like the franchise?

That doesn't make me a blind fanboy who can't call a spade a spade.

Possible_Ad_77832026-01-06 23:37

But but it's the world outside your window

tLM-tRRS-atBHB2026-01-06 09:23

Its almost as if the fans are the ones that kept whining about the new cast and kept complaining they wanted the OGs back.

People are too stuck on nostalgia.

N8CCRG2026-01-06 14:56

It's not desperation, it's what people have shown they will spend their money on. Everyone paid a hojillion dollars on Deadpool & Wolverine even though it's one of the weakest additions to the MCU, but it pandered to everyone's nostalgia and it gave them their fan service, and that's what people will pay to go see.

Money >> story

Possible_Ad_77832026-01-06 23:40

Which story was good bro?
Everything was generic storytelling with main character always being 3rd lead

Grayx_28872026-01-06 17:07

Yeap. They are desperate.

GKJ67432026-01-08 03:06

It's more so the anti marvel snobs desperate to see marvel finally go down, which is not anywhere close to happening.

How long have the snobs been crying about marvel now? Shouldn't marvel have folded already?

pkjoan2026-01-06 19:24

Marvel just needs to show one of the 3 Spider-Man and that would already put people in theaters.

megadroid_optimizer2026-01-07 07:32

They’re shooting themselves in the foot by dumping their new heroes. You can only go back to the past for so long.

GKJ67432026-01-08 03:08

Aren't a bunch of the new heroes going to be in the movie?

megadroid_optimizer2026-01-08 03:15

I’d love the new heroes to be the focus instead of playing sidekick to the OG’s. Some of the new heroes have already been introduced (like Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Captain America, She-Hulk, etc.; and then now they’ll become the ‘little guy’ again. Ultimately, it all feels like a hamster on the same wheel. I want Marvel to progress but we’re still getting the same old. Some fans are happy with it, and good for them, I’m just looking for new stories and new characters.

GKJ67432026-01-08 04:44

The marketing just started and we still have 11 months to go. People are putting too much weight on the basic ass teasers we've gotten so far

Gasparde2026-01-07 08:39

What are you expecting after their 20 most recent projects pretty much all being thoroughly meh at best?

They tried something, failed spectacularly with it and are now buying time until they can figure out a way why Iron Man worked and why absolutely no one gives a shit about G'iah or Monica or Sam or Torres or whatever.

GKJ67432026-01-08 03:11

I love how yall try to state your opinions as facts and pretend to speak for everyone

Gasparde2026-01-08 11:17

Remind me the next time an MCU movie struggles to break even - can't wait to read more excuses as to why there's 500 reasons the MCU is struggling but their recent movies and character being dogshit is obviously not among them.

GKJ67432026-01-08 15:01

Sounds like we'll be waiting a while