Little guide for Doomsday

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ThatchedSwan2026-01-04 10:31

How does this help?

Matt_LawDT2026-01-04 12:03

r/unhelpfulguide

Naive_Nerve53712026-01-04 15:25

It doesn’t considering we don’t know if the Doom we see at the end of FF:FS is actually from 828

remerdy12026-01-04 16:25

Because Monica is in the X-Men universe it seems to be more like where they were last seen (which still isn't really helpful but you know)

iamblake962026-01-04 18:43

But FF are in 616 at the end of Thunderbolts

Praetor_60402026-01-04 18:45

Assuming theyre the ones in the ship

mrpanicy2026-01-04 18:45

To be fair... the FF ship is the only thing 100% confirmed in the 616 universe at the end of Thunderbolts.

iamblake962026-01-04 19:44

Oof fair

TWFH2026-01-04 17:29

Visualize how bad multiverse writing is as a concept

Jupiters2026-01-05 16:51

circles

lsm-krash2026-01-04 10:35

Doom possibly will be from yet another universe. Also, the X-Men that will appear probably will be from another universe different from 10005.

No_Nature64302026-01-04 11:31

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brakenbonez2026-01-04 12:06

Yeah if that's the universe Deadpool is from, it's the Logan universe (according to DP3) so most of them are dead (Logan takes place in 2029 and the "incident" is said to have been years before that). And if it's the one the replacement Wolverine is from then ALL of them are dead.

Own_Giraffe_69282026-01-04 12:48

I don't understand the misconception that Deadpool comes from the Logan Universe. He obviously doesn't. The X-Men are clearly active just a few years prior to DP&W, so either the apocalypse happened entirely off-screen with not even a throwaway line from Colossus that all his friends are dead, or *it's not the same universe*.

brakenbonez2026-01-04 12:59

Did you even watch the movie? Wolverine being dead is kinda the whole reason the movie even happens. Logan was the "anchor being" of Deadpool's universe. TVA dude showed up to "save" Deadpool for the new timeline/universe he was trying to create as the "main" timeline. You can even Google "Does Deadpool take place in the Logan timeline" and it will give you all the results you need.

And yes, it happened off-screen, just as it did in Logan...
Plus...it happens in the future. After DP3 but before Doomsday. It's funny how time works, isn't it? Things don't stay the same forever. Deadpool 3 takes place in 2024, before it happened.

Own_Giraffe_69282026-01-04 13:05

I have watched the movie. Which is why I'm saying that that's not the case. They're obviously not the same world. Maybe Loganverse is the main universe and Deadpoolverse is a branch, or maybe Paradox was lying, but either way, the puzzle pieces clearly don't fit.

Again, does the opening of DP&W look like it takes place in an apocalyptic Earth where all the X-Men have been dead for over a decade? Colossus and Negasonic were right there! It doesn't even make sense in the context of that movie, let alone when you account for Deadpool 2 which takes place a few years earlier, acknowledges Logan's death, but the X-Men are still around and the world hasn't gone to shit. Hell, we see Deadpool create a bunch of alternative timelines in that very movie!

brakenbonez2026-01-04 13:06

You've watched the movie but you're arguing against something they literally confirm in the first 20 minutes of the movie? Okay buddy.

One more time and after this I'm done here and you can argue with yourself: Logan takes place in 2029. Deadpool takes place in 2024. The incident involving Charles accidentally killing mot of the X-Men happens sometime in between. After the opening party. It's not rocket science. Deadpool takes the TemPad and goes to Logan's grave, in 2029, because he doesn't believe he's really dead but just regenerating or w/e. He sees that he is in fact dead, TVA shows up. Fight happens. He goes looking for other Wolverines to replace his dead Wolverine without messing up his own timeline.

SplashAttacks2026-01-04 15:25

I don't disagree with you, but the X-Men cameo in DP2 is definitely supposed to be McAvoy (and Evan Peters) which is where I assume the confusion is coming from.

But he also breaks the Stewart's OG Professor X helm (I think maybe in the same scene?). So it is all over the place (and before Fox was bought by Disney).

But anyway, he uses the time machine at the end so anything is possible (including ending up in Logan timeline, which is definitely where he was in 3).

brakenbonez2026-01-04 15:36

I get that but at the same time a lot of what happens in Deadpool media across the board is just throwaway jokes. I saw that cameo as just that since they were the same age in the time DP2 was set as they were in First Class and Days of Future Past (and any of the other movies set in the past that I'm not remembering at the moment) Including a late-teen to early young adult version of Quicksilver who would definitely not still look that young in modern day....unless of course he's secretly Paul Rudd...that guy does not age. I'm starting to think he's a real life mutant.

SplashAttacks2026-01-04 15:53

Haha. Yeah agreed. Also they are clearly stand-ins and not the actual actors which is part of that joke.

robodrew2026-01-04 15:42

The TVA allows him to travel through time not just through realities.

kelryngrey2026-01-04 15:06

And Gambit being lumped into the X-Men set feels weird as well. We have no idea where the dude is from.

Own_Giraffe_69282026-01-04 15:31

I assume he's the same Gambit from DP&W, and he, Elektra, Blade and X-23 were transported to the Deadpoolverse by the TVA. Since Deadpool mentions to the TVA how he has a few friends in the Void, and the last we see of Gambit a portal is opening near him.

CaptHayfever2026-01-04 17:20

This isn't where they're from; it's where they currently are.

SuperBathMan2026-01-04 15:35

Logan is 10 years after deadpool

SmartPilot80942026-01-04 17:23

Deadpool & Wolverine is confirmed to take place 2024. Before the events of Logan. But the events of the future (Logan) affects the entire timeline.

Also it means that the X-Men fron 100005 after the events of Days Of Future Pass & Dark Phoenix are still alive including Wolverine

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-04 14:36

Definitely.

They're all dead in 10005 since Logan takes place after Days of Future Past's epilogue. The ones from the latest trailer are a Cyclops, Prof X and Magneto variants.

If I were to guess, they're from an Earth in which X1 and X2 (Feige's favorite X-Men films since he was involved) took place BUT (important but) X3 didn't. This is why Jean is not returning; she's dead.

SmartPilot80942026-01-04 17:31

Or Its the X-Men we all know and knew and The events of Logan still didnt happend

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-04 21:07

That would mean there are 2 Wolverines. Foxverse one (who didn't die since Logan hasn't taken place). And the D&W Wolverine.

Wouldn't that cause an incursion?

>the X-Men we all know and knew

Ehhh....Days of Future Past erased X1-X3, Wolverine Origins, and The Wolverine from the timeline. Since now the events took place in a different way.

Technically speaking, the Foxverse X-Men in Days of Future Past epilogue are NOT the ones we all know and knew, since they never experienced X1-X3. They're basically variants.

Johndoe199222222026-01-04 20:34

There's multiple timelines where they're not dead. You can still have the same universe but different outcomes.

Adorable_Ad_34782026-01-04 21:08

>multiple timelines

So, they're variants.

Johndoe199222222026-01-04 20:33

Deadpool and wolverine already said that universe is 10005 that's the destination for all foxveres versions.

lsm-krash2026-01-05 03:16

Not necessarily. Xavier in Multiverse of Madness wasn't from there. There were a bunch of Hugh Jackman Wolv and they weren't from there.

HenryOnYt12026-01-04 21:26

Didn't at the end of the Doomsday X-Men teaser say "The X-Men will "return" in Avengers: Doomsday" return means come back, and it means we seen them before and that it's the original ones from the fox movies?...

lsm-krash2026-01-05 03:17

Well, the teaser ain't out yet...

kingofISLAMABAD2026-01-04 10:46

MCu Earth isn't 616 though. Isn't it earth 199999?

Otherwise-Nobody-1272026-01-04 10:52

Loki comfired the mcu is earth 616. So yeh..

Mistic-Instinct2026-01-04 10:53

Originally yes, but they changed it to 616 a few years ago, first in MoM then again in Loki. Given how many inconsistencies there are with multiverse stuff between the comics and the MCU (e.g. only one America Chavez, different TVA, etc), it's safe to assume the MCU is just its own multiverse at this point

Jenkes_of_Wolverton2026-01-04 11:45

I wonder if when Christine Palmer was going round naming universes she shared her list. It's gonna be helpful if GOTG spacecraft or Carol Danvers know coordinates already programmed into the navigation and the jump points. Maybe Kamala's bangles imprint a unique barcode when activated.

jormugandr2026-01-04 20:13

They can say it's 616, but they're wrong. I can say that this universe that we inhabit is 616, but I would also be wrong. We're 1218.

There's no such thing as separate multiverses, either. The one and only singular multiverse exists. Our universe is part of it. The Marvel Comics universe is part of it. The MCU is part of it. DC comics is part of it. Transformers, Star Wars, Stranger Things, Matlock, Smokey and the Bandit, It's a Wonderful Life and my sex dream from last week are all included. (Unless the laws of physics as we know them is a multiversal constant, in which case most superheroes probably just can't exist, and that sex dream I mentioned definitely can't.)

The Multiverse is an infinite number of universes with every possibility. Not just major differences, like What if Napoleon won at Waterloo, but what if this hydrogen atom bounced off of that one at a slightly different angle.

decitronal2026-01-04 11:00

The MCU franchise uses Earth-616 to refer to itself, but any material outside of that will use Earth-199999

brakenbonez2026-01-04 12:08

Spider-Verse being the one people refer to most, which exists outside of the MCU but references it. Is also part of the larger MCU Multiverse just in a different universe as well.

flumphit2026-01-04 11:00

This is Herbie erasure and it will not stand

SpringTraps2026-01-04 12:18

Herbie made the chart, he’s trying to help /s

Character_Mind_6712026-01-04 12:49

Vision is going to blow the fantastic 4's minds.

BowwwwBallll2026-01-04 20:28

“Where are all the gears? And where do you keep the battery?

The_Reddit_Guy_22026-01-04 11:24

Not all of these characters are confirmed for doomsday

robodrew2026-01-04 15:41

And a lot of confirmed characters/actors are not included. Only one of the Thunderbolts, no Namor, Falcon, M'Baku, Nightcrawler, Mystique

Rasmalai292026-01-04 11:37

Add cap to 616

Whiteshadows862026-01-04 11:38

You missed Nightcrawler from the X-Men universe!

jamesrossurquhart2026-01-04 11:54

What about US Agent, Red Guardian, Ghost, Sentry, and Nightcrawler?

gnrlp20072026-01-04 13:36

easy, they're on Earth

Ill_Independence83652026-01-04 12:23

Aww no Bob :(

Aromatic-Cupcake48022026-01-04 12:26

People saying they missed characters or added characters who aren’t confirmed yet. It’s just a visualisation of the universes that we’re gonna see in Doomsday.

rawbface2026-01-04 13:08

It's a shitty venn diagram

LaserCondiment2026-01-04 17:14

It doesn't even Venn well

Journeys_End712026-01-04 20:56

Your first sentence is correct. Your second is not.

Nobody knows that we’re gonna see in Doomsday.

Anti_Karen_League2026-01-04 12:26

MCU IS EARTH 199999 YOU DINGLEBERRY

SMmania2026-01-04 12:34

Will Spider-Man be present or is this a smaller scale conflict that wouldn't rope him in immediately like Infinity War?

NamelessGamer_12026-01-04 12:50

There is no actual confirmation that the Dr Doom we saw in the FFFS post credits scene is actually from said universe. For all we know, he could have travelled there, and that post credits scene is just a scene in the middle of Avengers Doomsday

whitepangolin2026-01-04 15:58

I have to imagine the *only* reason they showed a Latveria chair in the movie was to signal that Dr Doom exists in that universe and is likely the one we see at the end.

Inevitable_Ferret_482026-01-04 16:03

All but confirms it pretty much

BrunsonBurner992026-01-04 20:09

Would be weird to have f4 universe that doesn’t have a doom

PhantomOverlord912026-01-06 13:48

Would be weird to have an “Earth 616” without a Doom or Fantastic 4 or X-Men.

Edrrific2026-01-04 16:08

but he is in 828 which is what the chart shows since Monica is in 10005

SmartPilot80942026-01-04 17:20

If he wasn't from the F4 universe why would they wait for a long minute at the words Latveria before going into another scene

Puinfa2026-01-04 19:07

Could be a Doom in 828, but the Doom in the post credit scene could be from another universe too

SmartPilot80942026-01-04 19:13

Everyone know that.
There's more chance its Doom from first steps.

First of all the fact that the scene shows Latervia at UN for a view seconds.

Second of all Reed Richad and Doom rivarly. It would be weird to not have them from the same universe.

omegaman1012026-01-05 00:25

Why set up Latveria existing in a scene earlier in the film only for the doom that shows up at the end to not be from that universe that already has the place that he governs in it?

Extra_Sheepherder6762026-01-04 13:11

math ah

BGTheHoff2026-01-04 13:44

Do we know Doom is from 828 and didn't invade from some other earth?

eduison2026-01-04 14:02

Here I was thinking they corrected the 616- error

hansuluthegrey2026-01-04 15:16

If you needed this guide you shouldn't watch the movie

EnigmaFrug08172026-01-04 15:18

Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, and the Hulk won’t be in Doomsday

whitepangolin2026-01-04 16:00

We have no idea if Deadpool and Wolverine are in the same universe as these other X-Men. In Deadpool’s universe, if the Logan film is canon, then all the X-Men are dead.

But also who the hell knows.

Lun4r65432026-01-04 22:41

The movie timelines for X-Men is extremely convoluted and confusing.

Best not to think about it.

MixedProphet2026-01-05 06:23

From what I remember, there’s 3 different timelines

Timeline 1:
Origins Wolverine, X-Men, X-2, Last Stand, Wolverine 2, DOFP

Then Logan/Wolverine fixed everything in DOFP so we get

Timeline 2:
First Class, Events of DOFP, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2

Timeline 3:
Logan was a dystopian timeline where mutants became extinct - it was a possible future with the DOFP fixed timeline but not a definitive one

First Class, Events of DOFP, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2, Logan, D&W

Deadpool and Wolverine kinda made things convoluted because Wade was missing his anchor being which was Wolverine. He was dead because of the events of Logan. So the MCU made Timeline 3 “canon”

I want to make a side note because of the incursion logic from Doctor Strange MoM. When Monica closed the incursion level rift in The Marvels, she woke up in a universe that’s really close to Timeline 1. The MCU seems to be treating it like a parallel universe.

After Loki S2:
The multiverse is different universes with different timelines

That’s how Endgame time travel still works. Changing the past creates a new timeline in that universe.

The old X-Men characters (what we consider timeline 1) is a separate universe with different timelines

The new X-Men characters (what we consider timeline 2 and 3) is a separate universe with different timelines

Fantastic 4 is a separate universe

Toby Maguire/Andrew Garfield spider-men are a separate universe

I’m so sorry this got so long but I love Marvel and how this is all connecting together

NononDracula2026-01-05 12:33

Wouldn't that also mean there's like 4 Maguire timelines and 2 Garfield timelines if changing things creates a new timeline universe, given they saved and sent back deceased villains on top of the normal ones?

MixedProphet2026-01-06 00:25

Good point. Under my logic then yes, but I could be wrong

HaydenTCEM2026-01-06 09:19

2 alt Maguires and 2 alt Garfields actually, Sandman was the original and it a variant

carnagezealot2026-01-05 14:47

This is kinda wrong, it goes like this:

OG Stewart Timeline: X1 > X2 > X3 > The Wolverine > Days of Future Past

McAvoy Timeline: First Class > Days of Future Past > Apocalypse > Dark Phoenix

Fixed Stewart Timeline: X1 > DOFP good ending > (Possibly) Marvels post credit scene > (Possibly) Doomsday

Deadpool Timeline: Deadpool, Deadpool 2, Deadpool 3, Logan

Logan was its own timeline, most likely taking place in some sort of version of the Stewart timeline (Statue of liberty mentions), but DP3 either retconned it or made it so a variant of that movie's events also happened in the DP world.

The Deadpool movies could've also slotted nicely in the Fixed Stewart timeline (with some minor inconsistencies like Colossus' build) but Deadpool 3 messed that up by making Logan canon to Deadpool since in Logan it's stated there haven't been any new mutant births since the early 2000s, but at the end of DOFP we see mutant kids in 2023.

New Mutants has Deadpool world vibes so maybe it takes place there? I know there's an Essex Corp mention just like in Apocalypse but that seems more like Fox doing an awful job of trying to unify everything.

Origins Wolverine was barely canon to begin with, now it's even more not canon.

MixedProphet2026-01-06 17:28

I think both of our interpretations can be correct tbh lol

I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying bc the Stewart timeline was never erased. Just drastically changed

HaydenTCEM2026-01-06 09:18

Thank you!

npozath2026-01-08 19:06

I love doing these little connections, too. You're quite spot-on, with a gentle nudge of addressing the convolutedness on the Deadpool movies part.

Being as ridiculous as the character is, they're going to take some liberties in how they're going to tell Deadpool's stories. Much of what we saw in D&W can be considered unreliable narration, and since it hinges upon the audience's connection to Wolverine built over the years, the story is a matter of resonance more than a conscious choice of what to make canon.

So how Wolverine died, what he did, all still remain unknown in E-10005R -- if it really is true that he's dead in that universe. But to the audience it wouldn't matter because the moviemakers use only shots of Logan's death in E-17315 to convey the fate, even if not canon. This is something even the moviemakers touched upon.

Bear in mind that the Laura we see in the movies is meant to be the same E-17315 Laura who grew over the years, so if it's really true that Logan takes place shortly after the Deadpool movies (which would inadvertently place Deadpool in E-17315), they're going to have to address this little hiccup; this is technically not her own universe, just a mirror version of it where she's yet to be born and exploited by Mister Sinister. Just one of the myriad reasons why it's easier to assume that these movies continue to take place in E-10005R, which is the same timeline Doomsday hopefully intends to use.

Expert_Challenge63992026-01-04 23:10

The official designation is pretty much the only evidence. But the mcu is called 616 but it’s really 199999 so designations don’t matter

ChrundleMcDonald2026-01-05 01:25

Well it was always TRN199999 which is Temporary Reality Number, all we know is it sure as fuck isn't 616

edit: nevermind this is wrong

Expert_Challenge63992026-01-05 01:28

My best explanation to people who won’t listen. In universe it’s 616. But to the marvel multiverse it’s 199999

wonkothesane132026-01-05 03:23

Except it's more than likely no longer canonically a part of the same multiverse that the comics are, considering that there's an America Chavez in the comics who is distinct from the DS:MoM version, even though they establish in DS:MoM that she's the only version of herself in the multiverse.

RingtailVT2026-01-05 04:07

This is the (most likely) correct answer.

The MCU Multiverse and Marvel Comics Multiverse are separate and neither is Canon to each other. MCU is 616, so is the comics universe, and neither is connected to each other.

decitronal2026-01-05 09:59

My gripe with this explanation is that the MCU and one of its adjacent universes actually has crossed with the mainline comics universe before - with the 616 Young Avengers having jumped into the MCU looking for Thomas Shepherd, and Kahhori (who is from an MCU-adjacent universe) having canon serialized comics where she crosses to Earth-616. Granted these events aren't acknowledged by the any main MCU media

Personally I like to simply say that multiple universes can adopt the same number without necessarily declaring that they're separate multiverses because that's just fanfiction at that point + it doesn't align with what is previously established. Same exact scenario as the Spider-Verse films having their own 616(b) universe separate from the comics

Meylody2026-01-05 13:17

The comics crossovers can be explained by thinking of Earth-199999 as another version of the MCU's Earth-616, but that's actually set in the comics Multiverse

decitronal2026-01-05 14:10

That honestly feels so unnecessarily contrived when we can just say that multiple universes (comics 616, MCU 616, Spider-Verse 616) can share the same base number designations (especially with the Marvel Appendix experimenting with the "Earth-MCU-616" name over "Earth-199999")

Rising-Jay2026-01-05 02:01

it’s addressed by that TRN in Across the Spider-Verse, so it’s been used in one piece of material at least

helpmyusernamedontfi2026-01-05 04:43

Holy shit people still dont get this? The mcu multiverse is separate from marvel comic multiverse. Theres mcu 616, and comic 616. The comic can reset the multiverse however many times they want and it won't affect the mcu

ProfessorBorgar2026-01-05 04:05

Different multiverse. There’s an MCU 616 and a comic 616.

TheRealExBattousai2026-01-05 03:58

Colossus Is not dead, neither Negasonic

essentiallyaghost2026-01-05 04:56

It's literally confirmed that Logan takes place in Deadpool's universe. Yes, all the X-Men are dead at the time that Logan takes place. Just shift the "near future" further so it's always in the near future. Marvel uses a shifting timeline in the comics so why not apply it to the movies? Spider-Man homecoming has an incorrect date as well.

Introverted_Extrovrt2026-01-05 06:06

I never even thought of that. Maybe I confused myself by not considering they were from the same universe

Ultimaurice172026-01-05 08:53

Came here to say this. This chart took a lot of assumptions that I'd be willing to bet are flat out wrong.

Arkaneful2026-01-04 16:10

You're missing a lot of characters:

Magneto

Mystique

Nightcrawler

Falcon (the new one)

Bucky

Red Guardian

US Agent

Ghost

Sentry

M'Baku

Namor

Loki

ChaoticCaptain1772026-01-04 16:37

We don't know for sure if the Doom we saw in the F4 post credit scene was from 828

ChaoticCaptain1772026-01-04 16:37

We don't know for sure if the Doom we saw in the F4 post credit scene was from 828

TipAdditional46252026-01-04 16:42

You forgot to include the new X men universe, where most new actors will replace most of the old x man cast, when the 3 or 4 universes merge together at the end for the 'reset'

ReturnoftheBoat2026-01-04 16:54

... why would anyone need this?

AmaterasuWolf212026-01-04 19:27

Normies will be confused! Not that this would reach them tho

ReturnoftheBoat2026-01-04 19:57

What kind of person would be aware of who Monica is, but that the X-men have not been in the same universe as the rest of the MCU?

This is a visual aid for the most weirdly specific type of casual fan.

cfmdobbie2026-01-05 09:37

Hey, even if you know something, visualisation often helps.

Sentry-10002026-01-04 16:58

Not the 10005, it's confirmed these are the fox X-men

Both-Decision-63602026-01-04 17:08

What about the other Spidermen?

ogrezilla2026-01-04 17:31

Isn't Wolverine from a different universe than the other X-Men if he's the one from DP&W?

Master_Freeze2026-01-05 03:38

he is, but since he became the anchor being he isn't different anymore. but im pretty sure the universe in the Deadpool movies still isn't the same as the X-men movies or the Logan movie. that's like three different universes PLUS the one that the "new Wolverine" came from (but you can disregard that one now).

BanjoSpaceMan2026-01-04 17:50

I don’t think the cmen are the same xmen from DP universe tho…

removealldoubt2026-01-05 05:22

Hehe

Burgoonius2026-01-04 17:56

What am I looking at? Wolverine doesn’t come from 10005 and hulk and holland spidey aren’t in this movie

MMFRESHSW22026-01-04 17:56

this proves NOTHING just speculation

Fantomwel2026-01-04 18:05

deadpool is 626 didn’t you watched the movies ?

TheKingofHearts2026-01-04 18:33

I can't upvote because the post is at "616"; but I approve of this.

navjot942026-01-04 18:55

I bet Doom’s origin won’t be confirmed until Secret Wars. He introduces himself to the Fantastic Four as Reed’s old friend and they are surprised because he died decades ago in a college experiment gone wrong but for the time being he convinces them that he survived but stayed lowkey to continue his work. Doom is the type of mf that would do that. Sue is suspicious but they accept it for the time being.

When he turns out to be a villain (uses magic to steal the power cosmic from powerful individuals across the FF, X-Men, and Avengers) and creates his own universe, he’s got Doctor Strange and Wanda as a key part of this new world he’s built. The reveal is that he’s from Earth 838 - he saw these 616 Avengers show up in his universe and murder his world’s super team and cause an incursion and dip. Those events of Multiverse of Madness is what kicked off his whole vendetta against 616 and those that maintained 616 as the “sacred timeline” while worlds like his were allowed to die.

This allows Doctor Strange to be busy during the events of Doomsday but then be a key part of Secret Wars.

TLDR- Doom pretends to be from 828 to gain the trust of Reed Richards and they work together to investigate the incursions across the multiverse, but he’s actually from 838 and has a bone to pick with 616.

Pure_Gonzo2026-01-04 19:01

This is a guide for ... what exactly? Some real low-effort karma farming.

AsideNo97132026-01-04 19:33

Also potentially Tobey Maguire’s Spidey

themosquito2026-01-04 19:52

Gambit's not from the same universe as the other movie X-Men, is he? Unless - you know what I've already thought too hard about it, the X-Men movie universe is a mess so sure, haha.

Sage_Beast912026-01-04 19:56

I have a feeling secret wars will merge those earths he’s a battle world before they move into a new earth similar to DC’s crisis on infinite earths

lifemanualplease2026-01-04 20:01

Where are the other spider men?

Ok-Inspector-88602026-01-04 20:06

reach!!! of hell!!

HowToGod2026-01-04 20:21

Good effort, but this really is not an accurate guide. Might confuse people even more tbh

TheKingSome2026-01-04 20:22

The MCU wishes it was 616 bro

superkick2252026-01-04 20:49

We don’t know if Doom is from 828 do we?

Journeys_End712026-01-04 20:53

“I haven’t seen the movie yet, but here’s a terribly uninformative and awful quality infographic to help confuse you more!”

DrGutenSexi2026-01-04 21:17

I don't care what the movies say, it's not Earth-616, it's Earth-1999999

87-percent-gay2026-01-04 22:02

I have a personal vendetta against Kevin Feige for this

lushguy1052026-01-04 22:27

across the spideverse literally confirmed it's earth-1999999

DrGutenSexi2026-01-04 22:45

They can't really 'confirm' it if they don't have control over it either.

Hungry-Pop85282026-01-04 22:56

You forgot Tobey’s universe. IF he’s in the film that is. And Doom could be from another universe who ended up in Earth-828

GormanOnGore2026-01-04 23:19

This is already hurting my brain.

SwampRSG2026-01-04 23:36

I wonder if they are gonna go deep into the Doom storyline, cause that would have to open the Marquis of Death can of worms and lot other stuff that I'm sure many people have absolutely no idea about.
For example, Doom's revenge plot would have to take 2 movies by itself.

lolas_coffee2026-01-05 00:00

I don't need Falcon. Boring.

I need need Simba Emu (did I spell that right).

Ant-Man is just comedy relief. Pass.

Black Panther died with Chadwick (RIP).

Cyclops has always been boring af.

Deadpool is a clown. He's supposed to be a clown. Don't need a clown in Doomsday.

So far...pass.

nbaballa052026-01-05 00:18

Are we sure Scott is on our universe? After quantumania they left the door open that he coulda been in a parallel universe

PringlesSuck2026-01-05 01:06

I will never accept the MCU as 616. 😭

patch_e_behr2026-01-05 01:17

I sincerely hope this graphic or one like it is in the movie at some point

DavidBHimself2026-01-05 01:18

I'm not sure how this qualifies as a guide, and there are a lot of assumptions in it: Does Doom come from the same universe as the FF? We don't know.

What about the X-Men? It seems we will see Bryan Singer's X-Men.
Which Wolverine will we get? Which Gambit? Are we sure this is the universe where Photon ended up?

ChrundleMcDonald2026-01-05 01:24

alright. i mean this is super wrong but alright

Least_Rain80272026-01-05 02:32

wheres the proof that Doom is from the f4 universe?

bythewayne2026-01-05 02:42

Will Stronghold confirmed for secret wars

Larry_Lurex912026-01-05 03:30

Until definitive clarification, This is how I see the mutant situation:

Mutant Universe A:
Deadpool Trilogy and Logan

Mutant Universe 1:
First Class

Origins Wolverine

X-Men

X2

The Last Stand

The Wolverine

Days of Future & Reset

Apocalypse

Ignoring Dark Phoenix can explain how Mystique is still alive , as well as her, Beast and Nightcrawler being members in Doomsday. If indeed this is meant to be the Fox X-Men.

Master_Freeze2026-01-05 03:32

Loki is just chilling and holding the circles together. we dont actually know where Strange is at the moment. could be in 616, or could be fishing around in the Dark Dimension or another part of the multiverse. in the off-chance that Sony's shitty universe gets some attention here (it would literally just be for Tom Hardy, hopefully) you could draw another circle for that.

CoolNaps-8962026-01-05 04:39

Did the professor x who appeared in multiverse of madness the one from 10005?

Bigbootybimboslayer2026-01-05 05:19

I thought the mcu was like 199999 or some shit

Introverted_Extrovrt2026-01-05 06:04

Are we 100% positive the X-Men that Monica got found by are the same ones that Channing’s Gambit et al are from?

gregorysimpson2026-01-05 08:04

They even included the vanisher in the x-men universe.

Masterreader7472026-01-05 08:15

Definitely not complete

JoeyD4732026-01-05 08:16

I **HATE** that they decided to call the MCU 616 instead of **199999**. All because someone wanted an Easter egg