Fantastic 4 - first steps

Disgruntled mcuer here.

New dad as well. Haven't had time to sit in my theater and watch the most recent films (BNW, TB, F4). Managed to get through them in the last couple weeks.

After a so so yet decent time BNW, a super enjoyable and dark, sad/depression themed thunderbolts, F4 was amazing. I really enjoyed it. Being a new dad I felt some of these struggles, the idea of saving many for the life of 1 but that 1 being your child. Reeds brain looping and constantly on thinking. Reeds monologue about having to let the idea of the terrible things in to be able to prepare to stop them from happening really hit home. The scenes of the baby proofing, and even the end scene with the car seat was amazing ( I have a "similar" car seat that has 2 red and green indicators that change based on the engagement of the hooks to the base).

I hate Mary sues. I despise the Star wars sequels and rey (although they are master classes of Audio visual execution).

Sue storms moment was so amazing. In context. Mother's love. Ready to give herself for the child.

I was yelling in my chair "push that mfer so he can go get your kid woman".

I don't know the extent of her powers vs Galactus or anything like that, and maybe if I did I wouldn't feel the same way, but God damn what an ending.

I am hopeful for the mcu future. Matt Shakman and team knocked this out of the park. Giacchinos score was awesome.

That is all. Thanks for listening, I don't have many comic book movie enjoyers in my surroundings.

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foxehkins2026-01-04 10:25

So you liked it but are disgruntled? Huh?

rayburno2026-01-04 14:49

I think he was saying he had been disgruntled by BNW and Thunderbolts, but then FF4 regruntled him, so now he is appropriately gruntled.

legion_XXX2026-01-04 15:39

He's an emotional new dad. Their estrogen levels are spiked with the emotions of saving their child vs billions.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:36

I was disgruntled by recent output, but these last 3 reinvigorated my hope.

I supposed I should have written formerly disgruntled, but I guess my post wasn't clear the rest of the way for you to understand.

It's as if you read 3 lines and stopped.

Thanks.

Feeling_So_Great2026-01-06 04:14

Did you not like Thunderbolts? My wife, who has Borderline Personality Disorder, who's also a mcu lover but not like always caught up on everything, really liked it, but everything with Sentry and the Void made her cry. Because she said she's never seen what she goes through, put on film is such a well written way.

How did you feel about Thunderbolts though? Im genuinely interested.

idahoisformetal2026-01-04 10:30

My wife and I felt our daughter kick for the first time watching F4 on theatres an we started bawling. It was quite the unforgettable experience.

Tityfan8082026-01-04 11:01

That’s really special!

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:37

😭

Educational-Tea-65722026-01-04 10:31

This year really gave us some great superhero movies, imo. And I LOVED *Fantastic Four.* One of my friends described it as "eh, it was... a movie, not bad, but not great." But I really enjoyed it. Mostly because it was great to finally get a team-up movie where the team *wasn't* at each other's throats the whole time. They had their differences and there was conflict, but they talked it out quickly and didn't let resentment fester.

And I gotta admit that just thinking of Sue's "She's after your nephew, kill her!" line makes me giggle a little.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:41

The movie had some crazy lines.

"I have to let the thoughts of terrible things enter my head so I can prepare for them".

Real father stuff for me.

Educational-Tea-65722026-01-04 19:11

Reed was absolutely amazing, I love him so much! That scene with him and Sue was one of my favorites.

the_elon_mask2026-01-05 00:48

I really liked FF. BNW was decent enough, helped by Harrison Ford's performance.

I loved Thunderbolts* though.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-05 00:54

"the new avengers"*

MarcSpector17012026-01-05 02:12

The Bvengers. (I love them, but that name is hilarious.)

Wol-Shiver2026-01-05 03:39

Truth

Educational-Tea-65722026-01-05 00:56

Thunderbolts* has made it onto my list of top 10 favorite MCU movies.

And I agree, BNW was decent, I enjoyed it.

Top-Discipline78062026-01-04 11:48

I really liked it.
But my 6 year old - she loved it. She has probably watched it over 20 times already.

I was a bit worried after reading comments that too much focus was put on Sue and she's too powerful and the guys could have not even been there. And then I watched it and it simply isn't true. Johnny is the one that figures out the alien language and makes the Silver Surfer change sides. When they fight Galactus Reed is the only one that actually makes some damage. Sue wouldn't be able to push Galactus without Ben's help. It's a family working together to protect their home and one of their own. Which is I think is the whole point of Fantastic Four.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:40

100% agree.

sarandipity-412026-01-04 19:21

I felt the same way.

Another thing that I liked was the inclusion of different forms of family: nuclear, sure, but also tangential relatives and found family being just as poignant and involved.

And if I’m being totally honest, it was refreshing to see a mom depicted as a strong and kind individual instead of just someone else’s plot device. Sue wasn’t overpowered, she happened to exhibit powers that were appropriately applicable to manage the antagonist. But every member provided an instrumental solution to the problem.

Its_A_Fucking_Stick2026-01-04 20:19

Why wouldn't they combo galactus though? Like they completely forgot they're a team, they had them each take shots on him. You know what would've made more sense? Sue holds him, Reed trips him, Ben knocks him, and Johnny blinds/distracts him. Having sue just straight overpower galactus was absurd

xFOEx2026-01-05 06:02

Sue is considered on par with Omega level mutant charachters and much more directly powerful than any other member. Reed can exceed her with his intelligence, but in pure strength, if Sue Storm cuts loose with pure primal bloodlust, she can fk up characters much higher than her perceived ceiling.

>The Invisible Woman received her powers after cosmic radiation had triggered mutagenic changes in her body. Originally only able to turn herself invisible, Sue later discovered she could render other things invisible as well and project an invisible force field. It has been said on numerous occasions, including by the Fantastic Four's greatest opponent, Doctor Doom, that Susan Storm is the most powerful member of the quartet and one of the few beings able to rupture the shell of a [Celestial](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_(comics)).[^(\[48\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Woman#cite_note-48)[^(\[49\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Woman#cite_note-49)
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Southern_Stage_76632026-01-04 11:58

I really need to watch endgame rerealease, last time i watched avengers (today but before that) 2019 and also alongside ultron, infinity war and endgame (have not watched today, but in 2019) and those were only one's i watched, icnanot stand iron mans death, and im curretylu watching from iron ma n1 and reached iron man 3(watching it tomorrow) and i watch 1 a day

PepsiPerfect2026-01-04 13:50

Glad you enjoyed it. I guess there is something in the MCU for everyone. I can see why a movie that dealt with parental issues would appeal to a parent, but to me that just doesn't make for an exciting FF film. I was so bored watching First Steps. It did feel like sort of a lighthearted family drama to me, with really only two action sequences to speak of. But I get why a parent might enjoy that more than me.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:39

I think it was extremely light hearted for the most part, till it ramps up. I really enjoyed it. They stakes felt real.

MarcSpector17012026-01-05 02:11

It did need more action. The movie was cut to the bone, and they lost an entire sequence with the FF versus Red Ghost and his Super Apes.

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-04 15:29

"I hate Mary sues. I despise the Star wars sequels and rey"

Oh fucking brother

alteredbeef2026-01-04 17:20

“I hate women with powers but this woman with powers had a baby so it was okay”

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:38

Not so much. The context provided a reason, at least upfront, F4. She was already strong, and had something to push her, I think.

We don't find out about reys lineage till closer to the end, so lots of people didnt understand her capabilities or their source.

Wooden-Radish-90082026-01-04 19:24

"I dont mind powerful women as long as they remember to fulfill their duties as a woman first"

OneAngryDuck2026-01-04 19:40

Yeah, that was a weird line to include in this review

Sal_Paradise812026-01-04 16:01

If you think Sue is a badass in First Steps, go read pretty much any modern iteration of her in the books. Seriously, just pick a run after 2000 (my personal suggestion would be the Hickman runs). Sue is a loving wife, a devoted mother, and an absolute stone cold killer. Everyone loves to comment on how amoral Reed can be, but I would argue that Sue is far more capable of and willing to suspend empathy and kill without remorse when her family is threatened.

I will say the one line on the Excelsior, when she’s giving birth and straight up tells Johnny to kill the surfer, is the most accurate version of her I’ve ever seen on screen.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 17:42

Thanks

Ya, I was laughing thinking of my spouse yelling at a nurse while she was pushing lol.

sarandipity-412026-01-04 19:17

Everyone talks about fathers’ protectiveness, but moms can be intense. I remember the moment I realized that I would, in fact, die or kill for my kids. It’s a somewhat scary realization to have, but I’m not alone in it.

MarcSpector17012026-01-05 02:10

Vanessa Kirby keeps talking about how she wants to do the Malice storyline, and I think she added in a little bit of Malice in her performance of that scene.

generalosabenkenobi2026-01-04 16:09

Thankfully my wife and kiddo watched F4 this weekend and it hit bigly. My wife dug it for the parental aspect (that really resonated with me) and my kid loves space so he was all over it

CaptHayfever2026-01-04 19:07

I'm glad you connected with the film. :) The very first scene really spoke to my wife & I for different reasons.

Wol-Shiver2026-01-04 19:11

Her knowing where the iodyne was and not reed ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just kidding.

Thanks 🤣

jsnxander2026-01-04 20:45

Loved Sue and the movie in general. Favorite line?

"She wants to kidnap your nephew, KILL HER!"

This is the way of every mother and exactly what she should have said, and what Johhny should have been focused on doing.

[deleted]2026-01-04 23:55

I share your take on the parental and familial aspects hitting home.

As someone who got into comics in 74 when I was 8, the FF was always my favourite book. And this movie captured much of what I always loved about it.

The love that overcomes the arguments and means they have each others' backs. The bickering and banter.

And the gentleness and humanity of Ben, who looks like a monster.

They even made Johnny into more than a cocky himbo.

Oh, and Galactus wasn't a space cloud!

Another huge plus for me? Almost all of the other MCU movies have the heroes being mistreated, whether by the public, world governments, or other heroes. For me, it was nice to have a movie were heroes were loved, trusted, and looked up to.

I wonder how that will translate when they end up in the 616 reality?

Wol-Shiver2026-01-05 00:55

Ya, it was nice to see that, they are a bit like big Hollywood stars

elProtagonist2026-01-05 01:31

I just wish The Thing gave Galactus an uppercut

Wol-Shiver2026-01-05 01:50

SAY IT

SAY IIIIITTTTTTT

elProtagonist2026-01-05 07:33

Yeah- woulda been perfect!

MarcSpector17012026-01-05 02:04

Well said. I completely agree, and FF has become my favorite MCU movie. A pretty high bar to clear, considering Winter Soldier had been in that top spot for over a decade. Here's hoping the fanbase warms up to the FF a little more in Doomsday.