It would be more interesting to have the Fantastic Four get incensed than the main MCU Avengers over RDJ Doom

Since Fantastic Four is deeply connected to Doom, I think it would be quite interesting to subvert expectations and instead of the main MCU Avengers getting surprised and shocked when they see RDJ Doom's face, get that reaction from the Fantastic Four team, especially Reed, when they get to the main MCU and find out that there is a statue of RDJ, glorifying him, and that horrifies them and sets them on an initial collision course with the Avengers, because of that misunderstanding.
And the audience doesn't have to be told or expositioned why he is incensed, just wait, till Doom enters and then reveal the entire schtick.

This might be the way the initial conflict between FF and Avengers is created. Over RDJ Doom.

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suhhdude452026-01-03 13:49

Honestly this makes sense

SpikeWoodyQuentin2026-01-03 15:42

Reed is the smartest person in the world, there’s no way he doesn’t understand the concept of variants. No one should fall for it IMO.

toffee_fapple2026-01-03 16:16

Considering his literal variant in MoM understood variants.

FX1142026-01-03 18:53

His variant lived in a world with access to the multiverse.

eragonmorzan2026-01-03 16:36

Yea, agreed, but he wouldn't know it's a different variant. Why would he not assume that it's a Doom variant and not Iron Man?
I agree there's slim chance of this happening, but it would have been an interesting take.

CrusaderZero62026-01-03 18:00

828 Reed hasn’t met the council. He’s still very early in his career.

CaptHayfever2026-01-04 03:47

828 Reed gave a lecture about alternate universes to a room full of students in the movie.

CrusaderZero62026-01-04 03:48

Everything he says and everything on the board suggests that it’s all purely theoretical for him. There is nothing to indicate he has any practical experience with the multiverse.

Moon_Beans12026-01-03 15:50

This could have been a genius way to do it.. but.. this doesn't work as well without a second FF movie to establish the rivalry. As it stands with the large cast and amount of things to get done there's very little room for having the FF become familiar enough with Doom and then to establish their misunderstanding over Tony Stark's hero worship in the 616 universe. You can do a speed run version of events but I don't think that's gonna be as satisfying.

igby12026-01-03 21:20

There’s no time for a 30-film buildup, gotta save the MCU pronto!

Honestly though, people lose sight of how the Infinity saga was lightning in a bottle. It won’t happen again and that’s fine.

Player2LightWater2026-01-06 04:30

Doctor Doom wasn't even supposed to be the main villain of The Multiverse Saga. That was Kang the Conqueror.

BagofBabbish2026-01-03 22:21

It could’ve worked. Reference him throughout the film. Explain he vanished. End credits is the F4 arriving in NYC and seeing the RDJ statue and one of them having that reaction

labbla2026-01-04 06:09

Oh shit, use that like the Captain America reveal in First Avenger that happened right before Avengers happened. Really set up Doomsday as Avengers (2012) for the Fantastic Four.

GillGruntFan532026-01-04 02:49

The F4 have already fought Doom in the past, hence why they had the team existing for years when we first meet them. It’s gonna be a Gamora/Thanos thing again: the F4 will fill everyone else in on what Doom’s deal is because they know him so well.

Moon_Beans12026-01-04 05:25

I suppose that could work. It depends on how it's handled because that ends up being very much "show don't tell" territory, their rivalry could fall flat for the audience if it's mostly exposition and there doesn't feel like there is a tangible connection because we never saw them clash before.

Any-Transition952026-01-08 11:39

That's not hard to do at all. First Steps left us off with Sue, Doom, and Franklin in the Baxter building living room, it's easy to pick up from there and establish the F4's prior relationship with Doom right off the bat. The movie is called Doomsday, and the focus is most definitely on setting up Doom and his conflict with our heroes.

People are so used to this cinematic universe setting things up in one movie, and paying it off years later in another, that they forget movies can (and usually do) set up a plot and resolve it within that movie itself. We don't need a whole prior movie to do something as simple as showing the F4's rivalry with Doom.

The large cast is not going to take up some massive room either. We already have whole two phases of solo films introducing every one of heroes that's going to show up in Doomday, the movie doesn't have to waste any time doing that anymore. We can jump right into the action just like Infinity War. The Russos have repeatedly shown how capable they are of handling an ensemble cast in the MCU.

Moon_Beans12026-01-08 12:03

I feel like a lot of the connective tissue is still missing and might affect the overall enjoyment. For instance going into Infinity War you had seen the Avengers interact over three movies. In Doomsday you're gonna have Sam Wilson's Avengers team get introduced amongst everything else. Apparently Shang Chi will be in the team so I guess we aren't going to see him learning to be a team player and building up his friendships and character interactions with fellow Avengers, no instead that's all gonna be relegated to off screen backstory we never get to see. Similarly Sam is gonna be the team leader but we won't see him create the team and prove himself as a leader. He'll just turn up as team leader because the script and the backstory says so. Sam's Avengers are essentially gonna be seemingly a complete afterthought for the plot and drama.

The marketing heavily implies that the OG Avengers and the Fox X-Men are the big draw, the FF will probably be secondarily important for the Doom connection and then the Thunderbolts/New Avengers will probably the third string group of characters running about. Sam's team I guess should just all have t-shirts saying "We are also here." and be eternally grateful they aren't going to be skipped over like the Eternals.

It just feels that a lot of important character development is going to be skipped over or rushed for the Post-Endgame characters whilst the returning Infinity Saga & Fox era actors get the hype and spotlight. We have had three teasers now and have yet to see anyone from Post-Endgame.

AdvertisingWaste86242026-01-03 16:44

It should have been titled “FATX: Doom’s Doomsday” and secret wars should have been titled “Marvel: Secret Wars”.

Edboy7962026-01-03 17:15

It would definitely be interesting to see Reed be shocked at a statue of Robert Downey Jr. and not the character of Victor Von Doom lol

And Then Doom Shows up and reveals his face the second he's introduced on screen for the whole movie and has Robert Downey Jr's face, who also happens to have the same face as Tony Stark in the main timeline

AnyEverywhere82026-01-03 17:34

I think the idea is interesting knowing the comics lore. The challenge is that this approach is less likely to resonate with the general audience given their perspective is “Dr doom has iron man’s face” rather than “iron man has Dr doom’s face.”

BagofBabbish2026-01-03 22:28

Depends on how you execute it. We know Kang fucked with the timeline to ensure he became he who remains, and we know he needed the events of infinity war and endgame to ensure time travel was created.

They could easily establish he ensured the orphan boy destined to grow to be Iron Man was never born, and instead the boy destined to grow to become Doctor Doom was raised as Tony Stark. Thus allowing Doom, the creator of time travel, to exist without threatening his reign.

Would it be a Rey Palpatine? Not really. Howard is still 616 Tony’s dad. Maria is still his mom. He still lived the life of Tony Stark and he still had the sacrifice. Unless you believe in nurture vs nature, an infant is a blank slate and it doesn’t change the original run. It does however give audiences a reason to care about Doom, understand the stakes (it’s literally an evil version of the hero we followed) and opens the door nicely for audiences to accept a recasting down the line.

labbla2026-01-03 17:37

Best we can do is Reed shaking his head at a Stark statue before he meets the Herculoids or whatever.

darthbiscuit2026-01-04 02:08

Here’s what I think will happen: The next time we see Sue and Franklin it will pick up precisely where First Steps left off with Doom in the Richard’s living room. Then it will be a complete subversion and Sue will say, “Vic! I didn’t know you were coming!” And he’ll be like “I had to make sure Reed wasn’t ruining my godson.” It would not only knock the socks off the audience but would pay homage to the FF’s relationship with Doom. Plus it would set us up nicely for Doomsday, where I think it’ll play out with Doom being the only one who can save the multiverse from incursion. Which he will succeed in, but make himself god at the same time.

Edit: Autocorrect changed every instance of “Doom” to “Dom” so it sounded like the Fast And Furious/ MCU crossover we all dream of. /s

VeryLowIQIndividual2026-01-04 04:08

FF didn’t move the needle like Marvel needed them to just like everything else that’s come out since Endgame

If everything was going the way Marvel wanted with the fantastic four movies or the TV shows we wouldn’t have Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. back and who knows who else is gonna show up.

I expect things to be heavily centered around the older Avengers

Ok_Signature34132026-01-05 00:30

I don’t really see how seeing that an alternate universe version of Doom is admired would start a conflict. Reed and the Fantastic 4 in general are smarter than that and would understand they aren’t the same person.

red_army252026-01-06 03:42

We're never going to see Doom's face. That's the point. If we do see him unmasked it will be the Secret Wars Ribić version with heavy makeup and half the face missing.

Y'all are *way* too caught up on RDJ's face and "he looks like Tony."

Egomirrored2026-01-06 22:26

The recent fantastic 4 movie was a horrible adaptation and obvious woke slop. The fact those characters are supposed play key roles inr doomsday is already ruining the experience for me

smsince19912026-01-08 15:19

that would actually be way more interesting than the usual ''avengers shocked'' reaction, I like that idea