I cannot wait for the Multiverse to end.

I was reading a synopsis the other day that Dr Doom in the upcoming Avengers films plan is to collapse the Multiverse and all I could think was “Amen”. i know this has been known for some time but it really hit me what this would mean, Becuase this Multiverse has been such a get out of jail free card for writers and has just diluted what marvel always was.

I felt a chill when I remembered what it was like having a single contained universe with set characters that can’t change and stay dead when they die. We need to get back to this sort of reality for the stakes to matter again and frankly it can’t come soon enough.

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GarySoneji2026-01-02 16:53

Can you cite any examples of how it’s affected the writing? What has been diluted? How have the stakes changed?

Citizensnnippss2026-01-02 17:07

They'll say death doesn't matter even though time travel/quantum realm/heart shaped herbs/infinity stones "lowered" the stakes in the exact same way in the infinity saga.

travisth152026-01-02 17:07

Bro🤣🤣🤣

jmerlinb2026-01-02 17:24

Major example is Deadpool v Wolverine: we’ve seen “the last” of Logan like 10 times on screen now, so bringing him back again in the MCU is cool but a little cheap

Another example is all the countless cameos of other universes showing up in other characters films, like in MoM - again, just cheap fan baiting

And then you have the Loki show - don’t get me wrong it’s pretty cool but it also completely changed the character of Loki from the norse god of mischief into… whatever the hell he is now

Kissfromarose012026-01-02 19:24

Precisely like how Steve and Tony deaths didn’t necarily equate to “dead”. The way that Xmen are being co opted from another franchise. While Deadpool Wolverine was fun it felt like the writers could literally just pen whatever thing they felt like doing Becuase “multiverse” it just begins to feel flimsy and weightless

richard-5642026-01-09 09:46

That's fair enough, but the rest of us are enjoying it.

championwinnerstein2026-01-02 16:53

What blows me away is how the concept of the multiverse just blew up across all
Media. Games movies tv shows. Jesus Christ it’s such a tired trope and it’s only been a mainstream sci fi concept for a few years.

I remember when the show Fringe did it in the 2000s and it was a mind fuck twist.

Sure it’s been in comic books forever but it seems like every sci fi franchise has hopped on that bandwagon lately

MichaelErb2026-01-04 03:04

Star Trek did mirror universe stuff in the 60s, so it's been in popular culture for a long time. It even became a joke that evil versions of characters had goatees. But yes, there's been a lot recently, and I agree with the OP that it's pretty boring. You can make good stories from multiverses (e.g., Everything Everywhere) or time travel (e.g., Terminator), but the stories need to be crafted around these ideas.

TheAgmis2026-01-02 16:56

We will miss the multiverse saga once the next saga is the new death of the MCU bullshit the internet routinely keeps hive minding about

mega5122026-01-02 16:58

It just didn't work well most of the time. I don't like that What If? was part of the multiverse. It was a terrible decision to go that route. Looking forward to one world. They'll tell better stories that way. It also helps that they now have FF and the X-Men.

eBICgamer20102026-01-02 17:02

I have no idea what they'll do with the uncontained mess that is Spider-Verse. Yeah, nobody's going to keep Sony in check for that one.

Edboy7962026-01-02 17:20

One world. One people

Ok_Exit57782026-01-02 17:03

I like the idea of using it to clean house, throw out what they don't want, keep what they do. I DON'T like it because it's too easy to bring people back from the dead.

I'm glad Marvel films have real human actors who age, because one of the worst things in the comics is that people rarely age or evolve. With actors aging and leaving, the films can add real stakes!

Edboy7962026-01-02 17:22

Then again, that leaves opportunity for recasts if they really want, which has happened within a universe. It depends what their story calls for

EntrepreneurAble66562026-01-02 17:06

Same. The multiverse concept was used only for nostalgia and not good scripts and character development

Swing-Full2026-01-02 17:12

But the only Multiverse stuff we've actually seen is Villains and Spider-Men jumping over in the Spider-Man, Doctor Strange 2 going through different Universes, Deadpool showing up to the 616 Universe for a cameo in Deadpool & Wolverine and then Loki

I really don't understand where this narravtive of "too much Multiverse" stuff comes from

EDIT: What If as well, forgot about that

eagc72026-01-02 21:38

Yeah, i mean if anything i've seen people complain that for a saga called the Multiverse Saga, the multiverse sure didn't had that strong of presence across the entire saga, only showing up every now and then

Amat-Victoria-Curam2026-01-02 17:19

You and me both. What a big mistake it has been.

juances192026-01-02 17:27

Eh, I'm sure there'll still be shows set in other universes a la what if or marvel zombies. And I'm sure they'll find a way to bring cameos a la NWH or the illuminati from MoM.

IMO while the multiverse **saga** may end I still doubt marvel will fully get rid of the multiverse as a concept, they'll just tone down how frequently it's brought up. Even if they say Doom destroys it, it'll grow up again somehow.

eBICgamer20102026-01-02 17:31

>Even if they say Doom destroys it, it'll grow up again somehow.

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CommunityDragon1842026-01-02 17:29

Y’all so annoying

willieg32026-01-02 17:48

My bigger problem with the multiverse is Marvel can't figure out what it wants the multiverse to be. There are so many different ways the multiverse has been traveled and bent and utilized that I don't understand the mechanics of it, and it feels like the writers from one project to another don't understand it either.

The Loki series and Deadpool introduces the TVA and makes it seem like the multiverse has to do with branching timelines, and it's accessed with an electronic device. Spider-Man NWH says it's due to a spell that went awry. MoM says it's a girl who punches star holes and it's a magical book that transfers someone's consciousness. The Marvels says it's a jump gate that got damaged and a hole opened up into a different universe. And I guess we'll eventually find out how the F4 traveled to the 616 universe at the end of Thunderbolts, but I'm sure it's due to some science shit that Reed came up with (totally in character for him though).

I know we're talking about fictional stories, but what made the Infinity Saga great was they created a universe mostly stuck to the rules they established. I love the MCU and I'm rooting for it to succeed, but even I have to say it's gotten pretty damn convoluted.

rickg2026-01-02 18:08

None of those things create the multiverse in Marvel mythos though. They're all different ways of accessing different realities except for the TVA timeline stuff.

Spiritual-Smoke-46052026-01-02 22:19

yeah and I'm pretty sure the TVA deals with time branches in multiple universes

so for instance Classic Loki (Richard E Grant) would have been from a different universe since he looks different from Tom Hiddleston but was supposed to have the same fate as 616 Loki (death by Thanos) but I'm wondering if Boastful Loki was supposed to go down the same path as Hiddleston Loki because hes *clearly* from another universe not just another timeline

and then you've got Spider-man who is an Avenger in one universe and a solo superhero in another, the whole thing is convoluted af

rickg2026-01-02 18:04

"I felt a chill when I remembered what it was like having a single contained universe with set characters that can’t change and stay dead when they die. "

Someone hasn't read the comics. Characters routinely came back to life even in a single universe.

JazzmatazZ42026-01-03 01:14

Ok.

I'm disappointed that it didn't live up to what it could have been cos it could have been great, but Disney can take the blame for forcing all of that streaming trash