Question about endgame.
At the end of endgame, Cap stays in the 70s and shows up at the spot of where he left years later. But here's the thing, time travel is explained to be traveling to a different time line not the past of your own timeline, so Cap shouldn't be in that universe. 2nd of all, if Cap never got frozen, then the avengers wouldn't have been, then the entire series of events wouldn't happen thus he wouldn't have showed up there.... U see what I'm saying? So what's the deal here?
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Edit: and before anyone says he lived on the main timeline in secret. No, he did not. That is impossible via how they were time traveling in that movie. He would need a TVA Timepad or taught how to Timeslip to do that.
I do think they made it needlessly confusing though. I guess they wanted to have him sitting on a bench to build tension and have a dramatic reveal, but they could have avoided a lot of confusion with just a few lines of dialogue. Right after he's supposed to return, Sam asks "where is he" and Hulk says "I don't know. He blew right by his timestamp". That's saying that he did come back, just not on the platform, but in a way that a lot of people clearly missed. Instead if they had gone for something like "I don't know. I'm getting a much larger time surge than expected, almost like he spent ...", then have Hulk press buttons for a few seconds and continue "I couldn't get an accurate fix on his position, but he should be around here somewhere". I think that would have been a lot clearer.
Born in 1918, became a Super Soldier in 1943, and crashed into the ice in 1945.
Found and thawed 2011. Lived as an Avenger until the events of Endgame, circa 2023.
Time traveled to return the stones and stayed with Peggy (\~1949) he did not time travel back to 2023
You see Steve Rogers in the Doomsday teaser probably in the 1950s
Steve Rogers lives the rest of his life peacefully and he ends up on the bench in late 2023 as a 105 year old man.
Basically lived 2 lifetimes. But then, what did Steve Rogers do in 2011 when Cap was found? Time travel is confusing but this is Steve Roger's life.
This is most obvious when Nebula unalives her “past” self and is fine. Because the branch timeline Nebula died, not the literal actual past version of OG Nebula.
Steve grows old in a BRANCH TIMELINE. He then uses the suit, and tech, and Pym particles, all stuff he had, to come back to the main original timeline when he’s older.
Oh my gosh thank you for this explanation. I know it's ridiculous that we're 6 years past Endgame and I still haven't fully wrapped my head around all the time travel ramifications, but here we are.
Steve travels back in time, within the sacred timeline, to put the stones back. Doing so means that the timeline doesn't branch. We have assumed that in going to live a quiet life with Peggy, he similarly avoided a branch.
That said, his return in Doomsday points to that maybe not being the case. People having been suggesting that something happens in the past that causes an incursion between universes...perhaps something that leaves Earth 616 unscathed, but endangers the multiverse.
Tony and Steve literally traveled without the platform from one branch to another. So the platform is not a requirement.
Second, how do you know Old Steve didn’t use the platform? He could have used it when they were out to lunch and then sat on the bench for an hour.
Here's how the device works.
The WATCH sends you to your own past. From that past, you branch off depending on if you "change events." The PLATFORM, in case you branch off, serves as an anchor that pulls you back to the present in the timeline that you left when you branched.
The watch allows you to travel back in time whenever you want to. Which is why Tony and Steve do it. But when they go back to the present, they are all pulled back to the platform, instead of all just arriving at random spots. It's why 2014 Thanos ALSO comes through the platform.
To answer your question: Because Hulk had just finished setting the platform up when Steve used it. Like, Hulk literally just got done building and programing it. There's not an opportunity for him to use it before present day Steve leaves.
Steve only appears on the bench because he's living in a timeloop and got there the long way.
We don’t even know if the writers were involved in the reshoots. Which were extensive. They surely had zero to do with the editing,
We do however know they are drug addled enough, or clueless enough, or dumb enough, to publicly contradict the directors of the film, which makes them look incredibly embarrassing and foolish. As do you.
Note: He could not, in fact, handle it.
That's just your interpretation of it. Not the actual explanation.
>2nd of all, if Cap never got frozen, then the avengers wouldn't have been, then the entire series of events wouldn't happen thus he wouldn't have showed up there.... U see what I'm saying? So what's the deal here
And who said that he was never frozen?