How are we feeling about Doomsday?
Spoilers for the third leaked Doomsday trailer
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We've officially entered the year of Doomsday's release, and I'm curious as to what the overall feeling is right now.
Me personally, I'm not super thrilled. As of right now, the movie just feels so desperate to me. "Kang didn't work, look it's RDJ! Chris Evans is back! You guys liked DP&W, Fox X-Men in their 90's costumes! Nostalgia!" What is the plot? As of right now, this feels like everything is just being thrown at the wall to see if it sticks, and we have several cast related problems.
I think one of the biggest mistakes leading up to this movie is a lack of proper Avengers team. I don't see us getting to see Captain America assemble his Avengers in this movie. I bet $20 we see a scene of our Avengers team fighting together in the first 15 minutes of the movie, think like Age of Ultron, and that's all we get. Why are they together? Why this specific group? All good questions I don't see us having time to properly answer. We haven't seen so many of these characters in years, marvel hasn't bothered developing their stories, and we've just rushed to the endgame.
Why are we clinging onto the Fox X-Men? We haven't seen most of these guys in years, their story is over. This feels like their trying to bank off of the hype of seeing Hugh in the yellow costume, and it seems to be working. Yay, James Marsden gets to wear the classic colors, but why is he wearing them? Are we really bringing in these guys just for nostalgia points? As of right now, it feels like these characters, who I love, are just bloating this cast because Marvel wants that DP&W money.
Now here are the big two for me, what is putting me off the most, RDJ and Chris Evans. Why is Chris Evans back? I think it would be stupid for Marvel to do nothing with Steve Rogers again, but that should be after Secret Wars and with a new actor. Why is Chris Evans back as Steve Rogers? He was the one guy who got his happy ending with almost no strings attached. I am strugeling to find any good naretive justifications for undoing that ending and bring this character back. And his partner in crime, RDJ, might somehow be worse off in this movie. I have no confidence in Victor Von Doom being done well in this movie. What is the point of paying RDJ the GDP of a small country if his face isn't going to be on ever poster and in every trailer. Even the one glimpse we have of Doom so far in these movies is him without his mask on. With RDJ in this role, both the characters and the audience will be viewing him as evil Tony Stark, not Dr. Doom. Also, on top of how bloated and rushed this movie feels, we haven't had a single scene of Reed and Victor together. The Russos have to practically start from scratch on what should be the most important relationship in this movie that already has so much going on.
Somehow the only characters that feel fully ready for this that won't need much work done to them are somehow the Thunderbolts. If you told me four years ago that the Thunderbolts were the only characters I would felt confident about in the next Avengers movie, I'd tell you you need to start taking your meds again. The Thunderbolts and the team behind this movie are somehow the only bit's of confidence I have. I don't have faith in the plot of this movie, but I think these directors and writers have the skills to make the hype moments everyone will be cheering and crying for. We've even seen this already with the reaction to the X-Men trailer leak. Yes, those moments can be great, but for me, plot should always come first, and I have almost no confidence there.
So, how is everyone else feeling? Is it just me that sees this as a ship crashing and burning, does everyone else have hope?
https://preview.redd.it/yvffecgbqsag1.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d92d4312ab3947f01304bad2e67751e8dd571f9
We've officially entered the year of Doomsday's release, and I'm curious as to what the overall feeling is right now.
Me personally, I'm not super thrilled. As of right now, the movie just feels so desperate to me. "Kang didn't work, look it's RDJ! Chris Evans is back! You guys liked DP&W, Fox X-Men in their 90's costumes! Nostalgia!" What is the plot? As of right now, this feels like everything is just being thrown at the wall to see if it sticks, and we have several cast related problems.
I think one of the biggest mistakes leading up to this movie is a lack of proper Avengers team. I don't see us getting to see Captain America assemble his Avengers in this movie. I bet $20 we see a scene of our Avengers team fighting together in the first 15 minutes of the movie, think like Age of Ultron, and that's all we get. Why are they together? Why this specific group? All good questions I don't see us having time to properly answer. We haven't seen so many of these characters in years, marvel hasn't bothered developing their stories, and we've just rushed to the endgame.
Why are we clinging onto the Fox X-Men? We haven't seen most of these guys in years, their story is over. This feels like their trying to bank off of the hype of seeing Hugh in the yellow costume, and it seems to be working. Yay, James Marsden gets to wear the classic colors, but why is he wearing them? Are we really bringing in these guys just for nostalgia points? As of right now, it feels like these characters, who I love, are just bloating this cast because Marvel wants that DP&W money.
Now here are the big two for me, what is putting me off the most, RDJ and Chris Evans. Why is Chris Evans back? I think it would be stupid for Marvel to do nothing with Steve Rogers again, but that should be after Secret Wars and with a new actor. Why is Chris Evans back as Steve Rogers? He was the one guy who got his happy ending with almost no strings attached. I am strugeling to find any good naretive justifications for undoing that ending and bring this character back. And his partner in crime, RDJ, might somehow be worse off in this movie. I have no confidence in Victor Von Doom being done well in this movie. What is the point of paying RDJ the GDP of a small country if his face isn't going to be on ever poster and in every trailer. Even the one glimpse we have of Doom so far in these movies is him without his mask on. With RDJ in this role, both the characters and the audience will be viewing him as evil Tony Stark, not Dr. Doom. Also, on top of how bloated and rushed this movie feels, we haven't had a single scene of Reed and Victor together. The Russos have to practically start from scratch on what should be the most important relationship in this movie that already has so much going on.
Somehow the only characters that feel fully ready for this that won't need much work done to them are somehow the Thunderbolts. If you told me four years ago that the Thunderbolts were the only characters I would felt confident about in the next Avengers movie, I'd tell you you need to start taking your meds again. The Thunderbolts and the team behind this movie are somehow the only bit's of confidence I have. I don't have faith in the plot of this movie, but I think these directors and writers have the skills to make the hype moments everyone will be cheering and crying for. We've even seen this already with the reaction to the X-Men trailer leak. Yes, those moments can be great, but for me, plot should always come first, and I have almost no confidence there.
So, how is everyone else feeling? Is it just me that sees this as a ship crashing and burning, does everyone else have hope?
Commentaires
But for those out there who care about story structure (seemingly the minority) I feel like these movies will have little to no rewatch value.
Regardless how people feel going in they're going in.
Hang on.. people feel that way about No Way Home? I guess that's fair but I simp any version of that little red and blue bastard.
And I honestly feel, like you mentioned earlier, that the next Avengers films will probably be exactly that. It'll drive the people into the seats and while they're watching it, we'll be like, "OMG, this is awesome, and I remember that, and that!" Walking out the theater happy. But maybe slowly over the weeks, the months, more and more flaws start to show themselves. But you know, it kinda is what it is at this point, Marvel is in quite a bind as a franchise right now, a super fun enjoyable "remember-berry" movie is probably the best we can ask for at this particular moment.
What would you prefer? A whole new cast for a couple of movies for X-men? Why not justice be done for the original Marvel live action team before rebooting.
Plus Chris Evans returning is obviously showing that this is a continuation of Endgame, "you mess with time and it tends to mess back" seems to be the theme of the movie, he never died. RDJ as doom i can give you that and I'd love to be wrong.
Im excited, this is make or break but what a comeback if it's successful.
Well that's just it. They already got like 4 different "last sendoffs". Why are they using the MCU to give them another *when the MCU already gave them one with DP&W?!*
And DP&W did not give Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Beast any closure.
I always thought trying to make someone "the next Thanos" was a mistake. And even then I thought Kang was a pretty bad choice. Even if it was an inherently bad move, surely by that point (the Fox deal went through before Endgame released) they could start working towards more suitable villains like Annihilus or Apocalypse. (They still wouldn't have filled Thanos' shoes, but still.) Kang..... Kang was an Avengers villain, yes. *But back then the Avengers were a showcase for heroes that couldn't carry their own solo comics and not the main team like they are now.*
*But you know, everything about the pivot to Doom has me feeling even worse than I did about Kang.*
It would be nice to be surprised with an actual well put together film that doesn't rely on nostalgia plays like a crutch and actually delivers **Victor Von Doom** and not Evil Iron Man. But..... *nothing seems to be pointing towards that. Not any of the announcements. Not any "leaks". Not the announcement that they got Chris Evans back on top of RDJ. Nothing.*