(Theory) What universe are the X-Men from Avengers Doomsday from?
It's still unknown whether the X-Men appearing in Avengers: Doomsday will be the same as those from the Fox universe, but there would be a contradiction if they were.
They can't be from Earth-10005 because Mystique died in 1992 during the events of Dark Phoenix, and Charles died during the events of Logan. However, I theorize that there's a possibility they're from the Wolverine universe of D&W. In that film, he recounts a massacre at the Mansion where several X-Men died. This would explain why only a few will appear (based on what we know so far) and why the teaser shows the Mansion dilapidated and abandoned, as it has been closed since that day. Furthermore, this Wolverine made it clear that his X-Men wore the classic costumes.
They could also say that this universe is involved in the Multiversal disaster, because they lost their Wolverine (who went to live on Earth 10005) generating another incursion in addition to Monica's.
Something also tells me that in the movie they're going to say they're the same people, creating contradictions, like they did with D&W, where they say the movie takes place in 2024 and Logan is already dead, even though he dies in 2029. I hope they don't do this and just say they're different.
They can't be from Earth-10005 because Mystique died in 1992 during the events of Dark Phoenix, and Charles died during the events of Logan. However, I theorize that there's a possibility they're from the Wolverine universe of D&W. In that film, he recounts a massacre at the Mansion where several X-Men died. This would explain why only a few will appear (based on what we know so far) and why the teaser shows the Mansion dilapidated and abandoned, as it has been closed since that day. Furthermore, this Wolverine made it clear that his X-Men wore the classic costumes.
They could also say that this universe is involved in the Multiversal disaster, because they lost their Wolverine (who went to live on Earth 10005) generating another incursion in addition to Monica's.
Something also tells me that in the movie they're going to say they're the same people, creating contradictions, like they did with D&W, where they say the movie takes place in 2024 and Logan is already dead, even though he dies in 2029. I hope they don't do this and just say they're different.
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From what I remember, there’s 3 different timelines
Origins Wolverine, X-Men, X-2, Last Stand, Wolverine 2, DOFP
Then Logan fixed everything in DOFP so we get
First Class, Events of DOFP, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2
Logan was a dystopian timeline where mutants became extinct - it was a possible future with the DOFP fixed timeline but not a definitive one
You could argue there’s 4 different Fox X-Men timelines if you wanted to say Deadpool’s universe is an alternate DOFP fixed timeline
- Beast. We have see this version seen in The Marvels. We know it cannot be the same Beast from the ending of “Days of Future Past” (either version) even though Kelsey Grammer plays the character still. The version we see in the Marvels resembles that of the comics/cartoon version but with the Fox Personality.
- Mystique. As you mentioned, while still following the timelines, Mystique dies in Dark Phoenix. This occurs before Logan is put back in his body in the “Good Outcome” in DOFP. If Mystique is in the film, and we know she is, it could be a branch off of the main timeline.
- We also know it cannot be 838 as someone else suggested because Patrick Stewart is back as Xavier. And we know Wanda killed him in Multiverse of Madness. So that eliminates 838 as a branch.
- We can also add into account that whatever the Wolverine in DP3 came from could not have caused an incursion. Because the X-men from his universe all died. Things mentioned in the film, even by name. And with him being put into 10005, it actually fixes the “anchor being/dying timeline” thing from that branch. If there was an incursion, it would have happened then and there and the TVA would more than likely have committed to pruning Wolverine after the battle.
Now to play out ANOTHER idea, hear me out:
What if 10005 IS the universe that we get? That could mean that THIS X-Men universe will be the one we focus on. And somehow, it’s a branch off of the “Good Ending” we got in DOFP, but somehow Mystique still lives, versions of the films before DOFP play out and the Wolverine, DP 1 & 2, and Logan all occur. This would leave Dark Phoenix out of that timeline but still a branch of what we had been presented with. So there is still a “Prime 10005-adjacent timeline” somewhere and this happens to be a branch we get to focus on that “is the X-men universe, but also isn’t” kinda thing. Which is something I made myself kinda understand after Deadpool 3. But then again, the X-Men timeline was always messy.
The other is just accepting that it is indeed the same Continuity/Timeline as the Fox Films despite the discrepancies.
In Deadpool and Wolverine, it's established that the X-Men have been wiped out. And when they go to the void there's the 20th Century Fox sign in the ground. So I don't think it's the Foxverse X-Men.
McFeely thinks about this a lot. But The Russos are more okay with hand waving, as long as they can tell the story that's in front of them in the most satisfying way, to the audience. If you listen to interviews when Endgame was out, The Russos and Marcus & McFeely had different opinions on time travel mechanics.