What if they didn’t spoil us ??
Can you imagine the feeling? Discovering RDJ as Doom in the actual movie ?? Like, actually using storytelling efficiently ? If it wasn’t for the shareholders, they would’ve never reveal RDJ 2 years before the movie came out, a full year before the movie was actually shot, do you realize ??
Point is: if we think in terms of what serves the story, what’s the best choice to offer a memorable experience to the viewers, we would never have seen that twist coming in a million years, I think marvel had the possibility to give us one of the biggest twists in the history of cinema, right next to the Luke - Vader classic one.
I swear if they play it like a reveal in the actual movie, it’s just proof that they have no idea how to tell a story. Everybody knows it’s RDJ because Disney is not really a studio that makes movies, it’s before everything else, an advertisement company, hence that lame ass reveal at coming con.
How would you imagine RDJ big reveal in the movie if we weren’t spoiled in the stupidest way ?
Point is: if we think in terms of what serves the story, what’s the best choice to offer a memorable experience to the viewers, we would never have seen that twist coming in a million years, I think marvel had the possibility to give us one of the biggest twists in the history of cinema, right next to the Luke - Vader classic one.
I swear if they play it like a reveal in the actual movie, it’s just proof that they have no idea how to tell a story. Everybody knows it’s RDJ because Disney is not really a studio that makes movies, it’s before everything else, an advertisement company, hence that lame ass reveal at coming con.
How would you imagine RDJ big reveal in the movie if we weren’t spoiled in the stupidest way ?
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And people would be like "Ok but like, who is going to be Dr Doom in Doomsday?" since casting announcements are like the first thing besides director when a movie starts production.
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There is zero chance RDJ being Doom would have stayed hidden.
Noooo they were the most openly secret possible it was part of the marketing particularly that they were going to show up as a surprise
Great thing is even though i heard about the rumor, i completely forgot about it and didn't think about it until the scene of Andrews reveal. But i couldn't remember if it was a real rumor or not so his reveal was a crazy surprise to me. And everyone in the theater went complete dog shit lmaooo
Even Evans' return was leaked a year ago.
I had no idea that Chris Evans return was leaked a year ago until I read your comment. I only heard about the trailers that were leaked a month ago or something.
And even after hearing about them, I had no idea how to find them on the internet anyway, I only saw the trailers after Marvel officially released them. That's true for the majority of people.
Based on my experience with another fandom (WWE) the experience is a lot less toxic when you focus more on just enjoying the product rather than actively looking for ways to get spoiled, getting into meaningless arguments online, or stumbling into the subsection of fans who whine about everything.
I shouldn't have to disturb my peace just because I really like something.
I’ve been wondering this very thing hard, op, since the Steve trailer at Avatar. I mean these guys used to make fake trailers to preserve surprises for us, and lately it feels they’re just trying to sell tickets since it’s not the sure thing profit machine anymore. I keep trying to imagine how awe struck it would’ve been to see Steve on screen if I didn’t know it was coming. Big missed opportunity. Sell the main public RDJ and then sucker punch them with Evans in the cinema… People would lose it like cap lifting mjolnir!
Imagine the reveal happening as the movie is in cinemas. It would be a shit-storm. One quarter of the audience would hate it, one quarter would love it. The other half would just be confused.
"Why is Iron Man evil now??"
Revealing it ahead of time gave the news time to go viral, live its life in the news cycle, the information to disseminate, and people the opportunity to get used to it long before the movie even came out.
If the character is done right, as the Russo’s claim they plan to do, then we won’t see his face at all.
There's set-up and pay-off. By introducing a masked character, you're setting up a reveal of their identity. Even fast-food films like the MCU understand that.
I am not saying that couldn't happen. But like you say it would be a huge departure from the character and I am not sure they will do that to arguably Marvela most beloved villain in the comics.
I would actually be willing to bet 5 schmeckles he will have nothing to do with Tony Stark
Also, if I’m being honest… if I saw RDJ as Doom on launch day next year…
***I think I would’ve found it cheap.***
I mean; build all that hype and finding out it’s RDJ again, it would be good for shock value for the first time, but I’d always just remember it as that.
At least now there's time for it to settle.
But if by some miracle they kept it under wraps and they did the RDJ reveal. I think this would be one the most divisive films they'd ever make. I think you'd piss people off the moment that mask came off and the big take away would be they ruined doom for evil iron man
Do yall even remember the No way home leaks? Maguire and Garfield were the first things we knew about the movie , and they were leaks. They were SUCH an open secret that even if the marketing avoided It many times over until near release , all the internet could Talk about was when THEY would show up.
The Vader - Luke reveal was a big twist sure... in 1980, with no world wide web and no leak/spoiler industry. In ANOTHER time , it would have a thing, but now , its a pipe dream.If RDJ as Doom was not advertised , It would still be the number 1 conversation around the movie due to the nature of the business.
Now if they did hire a less famous actor who did not play Iron Man before then they could do something like that. Cast a Skarsgård or Cillian Murphy or something. But clearly they are going into a direction that links Dr. Doom to his iconic run of Tony Stark.
If it WERE possible something I was thinking about would have been since Doom is notorious for using Doombots, announce Doom as the villain but say you’re doing it how they did Ultron and having it be a VFX character and get a big name to voice him. Have Doombots be like Sentinels and be who the Avengers fight the whole movie and we see them get destroyed like typical robots. In the end of the movie they face an especially powerful Doom and you expect it’s the CGI villain finally and then have him win and as the last shot of the movie he tears off his mask and we see it’s RDJ.
Seriously, after the backlash again and again and again, they revealed Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars before Phase 5 even started. They did that to prove that it’s heading somewhere and that fans need to calm
Down and cut them some slack.
Then after they disowned Majors they had to pivot HARD to Doom. They had to instill confidence that it’s ok we are moving off Kang. They had to tell people thy had a plan. So they revealed Doomsday 2 years in advance again, to placate fans.
kang still has more buildup than doom. if people were only watching the shows/movies and not paying attention to keeping up with MCU social media/news then they’d still be confused on what happened to kang.
Can you fucking imagine going into NWH blind and seeing Willem Dafoe goblin and Alfred Molina Doc Ock revealed?? I probably would’ve passed out. And then McQuire and Garfield Spideys come in??? Call the ambulance.
We would’ve been feeling the same way we did for Spider-Man NWH where we were all 99% sure Tobey and Andrew were in the film, but that 1% doubt kept on bugging us until we finally saw the film. Revealing RDJ as Doom clears the doubt and as a bonus helps tremendously with marketing the film to general audiences.
But yeah it would have been pretty insane to keep it a secret.
They’re probably going to be really hitting the marketing heavy for this movie to try to get audiences back so it makes sense to reveal him.
average viewer:" really?"
Better to be told ahead of the leaks for this.
Would I prefer to be surprised? Yes. But it’s also not realistic in today’s age.
That is like saying it would have been a great twist if when Darth Vaders helmet comes off it turns out he was played by Marlon Brando all along! That is nothing.
They better show it as a marketing thing than let it leak on Reddit.
So that way it will be s surprise when the real doom shows himself.
1) This has NOTHING to with Tony Stark.
2) I hope Doom being played by a big name actor doesn't lead to a lot of unmasked Doom.
The build up around dr doom is only because of him. Till now there is absolutely no backstory shown as we had seen with thanos.