Likely this story was never told in cinema. Heck, since it is not a direct 1:1 retelling of the comics it is likely this exact precise story was never told in the comics either lol.
22LOVESBALL2025-12-29 14:24
I mean whether the movie is good or bad im certain this will be some shit we ain’t never seen before lol
DarkDonut752025-12-29 15:22
We appreciate the assist
Diortheking2025-12-29 16:09
Hes right if they show actual incursions earths colliding and all that definitely hasnt been done before in live action cbm
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-29 16:57
Flash movie lol.
They did it incredibly badly there.
HorsNoises2025-12-29 20:43
Also technically not a movie but it might as well be, the Arrowverse Crisis on Infinite Earths.
DuckyHornet2025-12-30 11:09
Also Kamen Rider Decade
Honourable mention
mrbaryonyx2025-12-29 18:00
friendly reminder that Tom held a two-hour long conference with the cast and crew of Loki to talk about how that show was also "doing something that had never been done before" and he scheduled it for a time he knew Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan were filming so they wouldn't crash it
Commercial_Site6222025-12-29 19:37
Wait lmao actually? Why would they crash it 😭
mrbaryonyx2025-12-29 19:38
Mackie is basically the MCU class clown and Stan is his accomplice.
He basically stated in an interview that he absolutely would have crashed it had he known it was going
Commercial_Site6222025-12-29 19:39
That’s crazy. I know his stuff with Holland already, didn’t know it was for everyone
swagonflyyyy2025-12-29 21:28
Yeah he seemed really jealous of Holland. It was kinda funny after Holland teased him in an interview lmao.
But Mackie needs to remember that no matter how hard he tries, he will always be seen as nothing more than a sidekick, which Holland never was.
vikoy2025-12-29 23:21
Eh, MCU Spidey was a Tony Stark sidekick. He gradually grew out of it over his appearances, with Tony's influence waning with each successive appearance.
I'd argue it was only after Tony's death in Endgame that Holland Spider-Man fully came into his own.
Beginning-Pace-14262025-12-30 00:02
For some reason Mackie and Stan just being out of control trouble makers absolutely cracks me up.
gianakis052025-12-29 21:59
Mackie always does some cringe highschooler bit. Other adult actors grew tired of those.
Ambitious-Pirate-5052025-12-30 03:40
If they bring that back, it would help with marketing
CeruleanEidolon2025-12-29 20:05
Or, stay with me here, he has read the script and is saying it's something that hasn't been done before.
DoomsdayThor2025-12-29 20:06
I don’t think there’s anything left that hasn’t been done before…and if there was it wouldn’t be a big studio movie that comes up with it lol
Sunny-Chameleon2025-12-30 06:36
They don't allow any cast member access to the full script in these things
unretro2025-12-29 14:23
No shit Sherloki
Any-Video-99402026-01-01 05:20
Yea I’m following you, I’ve been following ya. We’re on a walking trail! Duh, f*ing duh!
Jam_442025-12-29 14:34
Tom Hiddleston, moments before - "We haven't made this movie already have we?"
CeruleanEidolon2025-12-29 20:06
"Definitely not, Tom."
"Okay, I'm going to say that in interviews then."
labbla2025-12-29 14:39
You couldn’t make Avengers Doomsday today.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-29 16:57
Yeah it would definitely take more than 24 hours to film all the scenes.
Youngling_Hunt2025-12-29 17:24
"You are unbearably naive" - Ultron
"Well. I was born yesterday" - Vision
CascoBayButcher2025-12-30 00:33
A true auteur would just plan out a one shot
AUGUST_BURNS_REDDIT2025-12-30 00:51
Thanks Drax.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 02:15
Lol
reputablepanda2025-12-30 03:07
The movie would only be 3 hours long, and there are 24 hours in a day, I don't see the problem.
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 04:14
If they film it all in one take like the masterpiece film made inside Bowfinger, then sure.
Aggravating-Mix20942025-12-29 21:36
It won more Oscars than Return of the King!
ryaaan892025-12-30 06:31
You would try and somebody would say “hey, this is Avengers: Doomsday. This is already a movie.”
labbla2025-12-30 06:37
It'd probably be a lot of lawsuits from Marvel Studios, Disney and Marvel Comics and it'd just be a big expensive mess. Probably not worth the effort.
Anastheryan2025-12-29 14:55
forks found in kitchen
vicboss05102025-12-29 15:01
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Jarita122025-12-29 15:07
Why? It is his job. And he was asked. What was he supposed to say?
vivianvisionsburner2025-12-29 15:10
?
roastedmarshmellows2025-12-29 15:32
This is so embarrassing for you. Like, I’m embarrassed for you. 😬
el_palmera2025-12-29 15:58
Bruh trying to internet shame a random guy, also a little embarrassing
roastedmarshmellows2025-12-29 16:03
And now you’re attempting to shame me, sooooo… how’s the hypocrisy taste?
el_palmera2025-12-29 16:05
I mean I'm just pointing out that I would be more embarrassed about caring enough about a random guy's comment on a marvel subreddit enough to try to shame him. It just seems like a very internet thing to do and is pretty silly, so you shaming him seems not very effective
roastedmarshmellows2025-12-29 16:08
And you doing this is equally an “internet thing to do” so I really don’t get what you’re trying to do here. People on internet doing internet things. Wow, wild take.
el_palmera2025-12-29 17:19
I'm just bored at work and you made me cringe
roastedmarshmellows2025-12-29 17:22
Likewise, bro. Guess we're both disappointing.
el_palmera2025-12-29 17:23
I mean speak for yourself, I'm feeling good
roastedmarshmellows2025-12-29 17:24
I mean, me too, idk what your problem is.
Spire-hawk2025-12-29 16:08
The irony of this statement is fantastic.
Notoriously_So2025-12-29 15:04
It's the best movie of 2026.
Hi_Im_Dadbot2025-12-29 15:15
Agreed. I challenge anyone to name a better movie they saw that year.
Jarita122025-12-29 15:08
"I participated in my participation"...I love his answers.
Those photos in the article. My God, that man is fiiiiine....
iwannalynch2025-12-29 17:14
He looks so good with short hair
CaleBoi252025-12-29 21:45
I'm a guy, but I've said it before and am saying it now.... Sometimes I wish I were gay lol
ketsugi2025-12-29 23:42
It’s not like you’d be pulling Tom Hiddleston even if you were
You can be straight and still appreciate good looking people of the same sex
CaleBoi252025-12-30 00:11
Hey, you never know! Maybe I'm insanely good looking (I'm not, but maybe I would be if I were gay lol) /lh
mitvh23112025-12-29 15:17
At this point I'm just hoping it has a coherent story
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 15:51
It has all the foundations for a coherent plot set up. It’ll be fine
Downvoted for being right. Typical Reddit moment
PikaV20022025-12-29 16:12
… is this satire?
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-29 16:59
Not sure. But the only foundations besides “all these characters exist” are
1 ) A multiverse exists
2 ) Incursions are destroying universes
Oh and I guess
3) A Loki is holding the multiverse together
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 17:23
Yes and all that is being used to create an interesting plot with the characters. I don’t get what’s so hard to wrap your head around
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-29 17:27
Wrap my head around what? Are you confused about who you are talking to?
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 17:30
Wrap your head around WHAT I JUST FUCKING SAID. How tf would I be confused about who I’m talking to?! I’m talking to YOU
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-29 17:34
Dude are you ok? You seem to have massive issues lol.
All I did was lay out what the actual foundations are.
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 17:38
And I was explaining how that is used for the plot which people think I’m being “satirical” about because they only have half of a functioning brain cell (and that’s being generous)
FerrusManlyManus2025-12-29 17:41
You seem very angry and should settle down.
I think the disconnect here with others is that the true foundations are pretty light and the story can be told a thousand different ways from them.
Tenderness102025-12-29 17:41
And Ferrus was somewhat supporting you by listing the foundations that you spoke of.
You have serious attitude and comprehension problems by the looks of things. Merry Christmas.
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 17:21
The fuck are you talking about, what is difficult to understand here
bellygrubs2025-12-29 16:46
500 characters
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 17:33
And it will mainly revolve around a few core groups
gorillafightsurvivor2025-12-29 18:00
It makes me laugh that the whole “look at how many characters there are” angle is used when the Russos have already proven that they’re capable of handling that. Twice.
KefkaZ2025-12-29 18:38
Three times. (Civil War was them, right?)
Endgam2025-12-29 19:15
Thing is, all of the characters in Infinity War outside of the Black Order were pre-established. With a lot of the status quo at the start of Infinity War being set up by the Russos in Civil War. Even Thanos showed up several times before.
In Doomsday, Doom is not pre-established outside of a few seconds in a post-credits scene. And we have a whole new incarnation of the Fox X-Men. (Unless you mean to tell me both Cyclops and Xavier recovered from dying.) And they're going to be a major focus. AND the status quo in-universe is..... not clear since everything has been fairly disconnected compared to Phase 3. So the movie will have to work towards establishing THAT too before Doom shows up. AND the Russos had no part of the setup, *if you can even say Doomsday has been set up at all.* (Two post-credits scenes compared to multiple movies alluding to Thanos and splitting up the Avengers so Earth is vulnerable.)
The circumstances aren't quite the same this time.
gorillafightsurvivor2025-12-29 19:23
The historical revisionism surrounding Thanos and his prevalence in the Infinity Saga baffles me. He had a handful of cameos, the longest of which lasted a single scene in GOTG. His presence amounted to “Gamora’s dad who is hunting down the Infinity Stones for some reason” prior to Infinity War. Sure, he has a small leg up on Doom in that regard, but saying “the movies alluded to Thanos so that counts as buildup” is a massive stretch in my opinion.
Civil War introduced Spider-Man, Black Panther, and the nation of Wakanda without feeling bloated or complicated. They completely revised the status quo. Endgame integrated Captain Marvel for her second-ever MCU appearance. None of this is uncharted territory.
Sure, the MCU isn’t in as strong of a state as it was in the first three phases, but that’s not the conversation here—the conversation is if the Russos and Stephen McFeely can write a movie that handles multiple characters (old and new) while establishing a new status quo. And they can. And they have.
RepresentativeAge4442025-12-30 08:58
Yeah you get downvoted but I agree. And I understand the concerns. And I share some of them. But I guess the bottom line for me is that I feel that pedigree should count for something. And regardless of the shape the MCU is in this creative team has made 4 out of my 5 favorite MCU movies. This means that they have earned the benefit of the doubt with me. So I’ll give them that until I see the actual movie. As I feel I’m able to be objective about things I’m interested in, if I don’t feel they pulled it off I’ll say so.
CeruleanEidolon2025-12-29 20:27
I think the major difference here is intent. Infinity War / Endgame were always intended as the grand finale of everything that had come before.
Doomsday is by most accounts designed to be the *beginning* of a new era, by finally introducing the X-Men and others into the MCU proper and shaking everything up so it can establish the new status quo, whatever that turns out to be. We should be comparing in that sense to the first Avengers movie rather than the last one.
AnOnlineHandle2025-12-29 19:27
Mostly using characters and story arcs set up by others before them though. There's no real story setup for this that is visible at the moment, whereas it was clear going into Avengers and Infinity War who the players were and how they were connected to the central plot, which was itself clear from all the movies seeming to set it up.
Avengers had the set up of the question of can Fury/Shield put together a team of characters from different stories when there was a threat which required it, which had never been done at the time and was genuinely interesting to wonder at, and very well executed.
Infinity War had the set up of the question of is Thanos going to get all the infinity stones and can the team which was put together after all and yet who are severely outgunned manage to stop him?
Doomsday is... eh? Who knows. The characters aren't even all in the same universes let alone know each other or have any clear connection to whatever the central plot is going to be. There's no questions to be asked or answered, nothing interesting to wonder about or discuss beforehand. Given their track record in recent years, it feels like the most likely thing to expect is probably just a silly cartoon with an easy solution involving a lot of CGI, and which feels oddly disjointed and hacked up in post.
gorillafightsurvivor2025-12-29 19:55
As I said to someone else regarding Thanos, the extent to which general people were keeping up with the Infinity Stones is massively exaggerated. Comic book fans knew what the deal was, but I can’t tell you how many conversations I saw and was personally apart of that amounted to, “I forgot about all the stones. What are they again? And what do they do? And who is the big purple guy?” Yes, there were threads, but it’s important to realize that for most people, Infinity War was kinda abrupt.
I’m not saying that the movie is undoubtedly going to be great. I just don’t think any of the arguments concerning the number of characters or the Thanos/Stones buildup hold any water, because they’re both based in extensive historical revisionism.
AnOnlineHandle2025-12-29 20:29
Well I'd seen all of the movies then and knew what the story was. I've seen all of the movies now and have nfi what the story is. I'm certainly not hyped now and neither are my friends.
Elnino382025-12-29 18:01
0 Set up for the main antagonist
CeruleanEidolon2025-12-29 20:22
Doom needs no setup!
It's also easy to forget now, but Thanos didn't have all that much setup for Infinity War. He had like ten minutes of screen time in Guardians, and then a couple of inconsequential post-credit scenes.
I would entertain the argument that the Infinity Stones themselves were the more important threat established across the entire MCU up to that point, but we don't really know enough about the plot of Doomsday to say anything about whether it has similar elements with an established history.
gusefalito2025-12-29 20:26
To add to your point, we coule make the argument that the Incursions are this Saga's Infinity Stones. And in that case, we have plenty of set-up.
BatmanForever232025-12-29 21:54
>Thanos didn't have all that much setup for Infinity War
He had enough. We saw him multiple times, knew what he was going to try and do and how he was going to do it. We also got *a lot* of understanding of Thanos as a character through Gamora and Nebula, so he was being developed even while not appearing - such as in Guardians Vol. 2 (the scene where Nebula tries to kill Gamora). Doom doesn't have any of that. He has no lore established, no pre-existing relationships with other characters, no nothing.
>we don't really know enough about the plot of Doomsday to say anything about whether it has similar elements with an established history
Which is part of the problem. You knew going into IW that the Infinity Stones were important, and how they would be important. Years of them cropping up and being interacted with, non-existent for Doomsday. Regardless of the final product, the buildup will be nothing like Phase 3 because of the shoddy and murky foundations.
gautyy2025-12-29 22:14
For all we know there is setup already within the mcu, we’ve been to sokovia, they could basically retroactively use age of ultron as setup for alot of doom related stuff
CeruleanEidolon2025-12-29 20:12
That was also the case with Infinity War and Endgame, to a lesser extent. Not everyone will get the spotlight.
fearnodarkness12025-12-29 16:50
Such as...?
We know next to nothing (people who look at leaks excluded) outside of the main villain because his name is in the title.
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 17:25
Do you guys know nothing about the general outline of the secret wars comic? It’s going to loosely be based off that
AnOnlineHandle2025-12-29 19:33
No, most of the movie going audience have not read the decades of comics and reboots and different versions and have no idea what they're about. The movies used to adapt them to tell a movie story which started at the beginning and made sense to a movie audience, instead of a comic reading audience where it skips over nearly all the actual story like Fantastic Four did to the point that they're basically at retirement in their first movie which was oddly called "First Steps".
Own-Papaya-42642025-12-29 23:37
It’s not “decades” of comics. It’s one fucking storyline that you can listen to someone summarize on YouTube
No_Imagination_24902025-12-29 18:00
It should be coherent - if it started off that way. Feige has made it clear that they have no intention of giving up their method of 'plus-ing' scripts during production, which they've been doing since the start. I think that approach can improve a script that's already good - but it can't fix a broken screenplay, which has been the issue with some recent movies.
Suspicious-Word-75892025-12-30 04:17
He is also missing the solid foundation that paved the way for Avengers and its sequels.
Slobberz21122025-12-29 15:19
That’s coz it ain’t released yet Sherlock
Jarita122025-12-29 15:24
Maybe you should read what he actually said and not just the headline
pkjoan2025-12-29 15:31
I think he means that it's not based in any comics
demonoddy2025-12-29 15:37
It’s going to be gud
Spider-Flash242025-12-29 15:37
So far nostalgia, crossovers, and cameo fests have proven successful for Marvel.
People hate on Doomsday using cameos and nostalgia, but that’s the stuff that Marvel has been pulling off since The Avengers. Proved a superhero crossover film and shared universe would work, then brought in Spider-Man and proved a superhero vs superhero movie works, then did a two part climax with multiple superhero teams and it worked, then brought back characters from other universes in Spider-Man and Deadpool.
fearnodarkness12025-12-29 16:56
There still needs to be a well written good story there and hitting the audience with Member Berries for 2 hrs isn't going to enough. I'm hopeful but there's *a lot* of cast sharing the spotlight and my concern is the MCU feeling even more disjointed / directionless than it was before.
Seeing all these old characters is kind of a bummer because we've already seen their stories come to satisfactory conclusions and kind of shows they're a one trick pony instead of evolving post-endgame.
Vumi_2025-12-30 00:29
I personally don't mind the X-Men being played by the older FOX X-Men actors. We haven't had a proper chance of them crossing over with the Avengers before. But yeah to your point, fan service can only be great in conjunction with a story that is written well. I want the X-Men, I want the F4, I want crossovers, but only if the story is good.
fearnodarkness12026-01-02 20:40
I prefer the OGs to whatever the Dark Phoenix crew was doing but I'm hoping it's short, sweet and we can properly pass the torch because we've already gotten 2 "goodbyes" with Wolverine / Prof. X and it just feels like we need to move forward
NamelessGamer_12025-12-30 15:49
Endgame is a very poorly written story but people ate it up (me included, I like the movie even tho I know its not good)
Kiseli572025-12-30 18:21
Yep, time travel is such a lazy story to tell and a huge plothole but cameos, throwbacks and the sheer spectacle made it an unforgettable movie. It also benefits being directly connected to Infinity War which is the best MCU movie. Heard rumours that Doomsday is going to be connected to Endgame too.
NamelessGamer_12025-12-30 21:46
So I guess that means you agree with me (that audiences will likely still enjoy Doomsday)
fearnodarkness12026-01-02 20:37
I agree but you also have 10 years of build up and one cohesive story to tell that story. It was a love letter to everything before it and a bit simple from a story perspective (especially compare to Infinity War)
Since then, it's been a bunch of jumbled storylines that are in no way intertwined while also introducing the XMen who is part of an even older, more disconnected so going from Endgame straight to the nostalgia fest isn't really going to be enough for most people.
We already got that in Spiderman and Deadpool / Wolverine - people want the next evolution of the MCU, not just tired rehashed crap
ThermoFlaskDrinker2025-12-29 15:51
Imagine a big bad guy and a team of heroes fighting to stop him. Absolute cinema.
The-Mandalorian2025-12-29 16:04
He said he was retired as the character after Loki season 2.
colantor2025-12-29 16:43
Money unretires people very quickly
The-Mandalorian2025-12-29 16:46
I know, I’m just saying that what he says is never something to take to heart lol.
colantor2025-12-29 16:48
Oh lol yea true
iwannalynch2025-12-29 17:17
Yeah Hiddleston is very good at keeping mum about details, and saying a bunch of things while saying nothing at all. Actually pretty professional of him when you think about it.
vroart2025-12-29 16:14
From the actor of kong skull island!
PikaV20022025-12-29 16:14
There’s nothing of note at all…
> My contribution has been contributed,” he says of the forthcoming film. And then, slightly less evasively: “It is monumental. The centre of the story is absolutely brilliant, and was so surprising when I read it. It just has never been done before.”
Everan_Shepard2025-12-29 16:17
It's the best Marvel movie since Endgame, and the best superhero movie since Dark Knight
general_landur2025-12-29 16:49
He is the God of Stories. He would know.
_________FU_________2025-12-29 18:19
Antman in Doom's anus CONFIRMED!!!
jonscrambler2025-12-29 19:01
A movie not about redemption?
GreatMight2025-12-29 19:27
They've reached all new lows in story telling. This is just him selling the movie.
cepxico2025-12-29 19:33
That's literally all stories, even ones based on ones done before.
Ginataang_Manok2025-12-29 19:52
I really believe we’ll see Ed Norton’s hulk make an appearance
TheAwesomeMan1232025-12-29 20:05
Yeah I heard they even wrote a script and hired a film crew to shoot it. It’s wild new frontier for cinema.
Illustrious_Smell7032025-12-29 20:54
Bet it's gonna be epic.
snidece2025-12-29 21:17
It is so damned early to be asking any of these actors specific questions - I wager we hear one of the actors reply with a variant of "Yeah, a lot of people are saying a lot of things."
Jackielegs432025-12-29 21:31
Well I’d hope not
0rtmo2025-12-29 22:18
i hope that there's an actual solid story instead of doing the no way home plot
TGB_Skeletor2025-12-29 22:50
oh, you mean multiple universes fighting to come on top ? yeah, how original
PhanStr2025-12-29 23:34
This is the opinion of one who hasn't read comic books...
Edael2025-12-30 00:56
Avenger Prime Loki please and thank you.
Kingofdrats2025-12-30 02:13
Im almost certain now that Doomsday will be a reset of sorts and it will end with the deletion of the MCU as we know it.
HailToTheKingslayer2025-12-30 02:45
*“You been working on for 3 years. Gotta compelling protagonist, huh? Got an obstacle for him to overcome, huh? Little story brewing there? Been working on that the whole time? Nice little narrative, beginning middle & end? Some friends become enemies, some enemies become friends? At the end your main character is richer for the experience? Yeah? You got the- No. no. You deserve some time off."*
knightenrichman2025-12-30 03:32
I can tell by the cinematography they're doing something different this time. I don't think this is going to be like Infinity War/Endgame *at all.*
Alarmed_Drop71622025-12-30 04:01
The god of stories has spoken
ddanuu2025-12-30 05:58
Yeah that’s not really impressive
elProtagonist2025-12-30 06:35
Actors are still working for these junkets, it’s part of their contract to do promotional work and they are NDA’d up the wazoo.
I just wish Marvel gave them something that they could talk about. It would be great advertisement for him to say something like “I have an amazing scene with X character, I can’t wait for you to see it on the big screen”
Jarita122025-12-30 12:56
He promotes The Night Manager and there was like one tiny paragraph about Avengers. He didn´t need to say anything at all.
saggynaggy1232025-12-30 12:46
He's hardly going to say it's shit now is he?
_Cromwell_2025-12-30 16:52
From the teasers it appears to be yet another Hollywood movie obsessed with parenting/kids/Daddies. So... I don't believe you, Tom.
Hoytundercoveractor2025-12-30 23:12
Marvel 2008-2019 loki show and spiderman 3 is the archive.
DC was just batman archive
We will probably go back to regular movies now or AI action probably
griff10142025-12-31 08:42
I mean, we never had a movie with Doom fighting the Avengers and Xmen.
So he is probably right...
Score-Emergency2026-01-01 22:36
Yeah it requires over 25 years of interconnected movie production .
Commentaires
Likely this story was never told in cinema. Heck, since it is not a direct 1:1 retelling of the comics it is likely this exact precise story was never told in the comics either lol.
They did it incredibly badly there.
Honourable mention
He basically stated in an interview that he absolutely would have crashed it had he known it was going
But Mackie needs to remember that no matter how hard he tries, he will always be seen as nothing more than a sidekick, which Holland never was.
I'd argue it was only after Tony's death in Endgame that Holland Spider-Man fully came into his own.
"Okay, I'm going to say that in interviews then."
"Well. I was born yesterday" - Vision
Those photos in the article. My God, that man is fiiiiine....
You can be straight and still appreciate good looking people of the same sex
Downvoted for being right. Typical Reddit moment
1 ) A multiverse exists
2 ) Incursions are destroying universes
Oh and I guess
3) A Loki is holding the multiverse together
All I did was lay out what the actual foundations are.
I think the disconnect here with others is that the true foundations are pretty light and the story can be told a thousand different ways from them.
You have serious attitude and comprehension problems by the looks of things. Merry Christmas.
In Doomsday, Doom is not pre-established outside of a few seconds in a post-credits scene. And we have a whole new incarnation of the Fox X-Men. (Unless you mean to tell me both Cyclops and Xavier recovered from dying.) And they're going to be a major focus. AND the status quo in-universe is..... not clear since everything has been fairly disconnected compared to Phase 3. So the movie will have to work towards establishing THAT too before Doom shows up. AND the Russos had no part of the setup, *if you can even say Doomsday has been set up at all.* (Two post-credits scenes compared to multiple movies alluding to Thanos and splitting up the Avengers so Earth is vulnerable.)
The circumstances aren't quite the same this time.
Civil War introduced Spider-Man, Black Panther, and the nation of Wakanda without feeling bloated or complicated. They completely revised the status quo. Endgame integrated Captain Marvel for her second-ever MCU appearance. None of this is uncharted territory.
Sure, the MCU isn’t in as strong of a state as it was in the first three phases, but that’s not the conversation here—the conversation is if the Russos and Stephen McFeely can write a movie that handles multiple characters (old and new) while establishing a new status quo. And they can. And they have.
Doomsday is by most accounts designed to be the *beginning* of a new era, by finally introducing the X-Men and others into the MCU proper and shaking everything up so it can establish the new status quo, whatever that turns out to be. We should be comparing in that sense to the first Avengers movie rather than the last one.
Avengers had the set up of the question of can Fury/Shield put together a team of characters from different stories when there was a threat which required it, which had never been done at the time and was genuinely interesting to wonder at, and very well executed.
Infinity War had the set up of the question of is Thanos going to get all the infinity stones and can the team which was put together after all and yet who are severely outgunned manage to stop him?
Doomsday is... eh? Who knows. The characters aren't even all in the same universes let alone know each other or have any clear connection to whatever the central plot is going to be. There's no questions to be asked or answered, nothing interesting to wonder about or discuss beforehand. Given their track record in recent years, it feels like the most likely thing to expect is probably just a silly cartoon with an easy solution involving a lot of CGI, and which feels oddly disjointed and hacked up in post.
I’m not saying that the movie is undoubtedly going to be great. I just don’t think any of the arguments concerning the number of characters or the Thanos/Stones buildup hold any water, because they’re both based in extensive historical revisionism.
It's also easy to forget now, but Thanos didn't have all that much setup for Infinity War. He had like ten minutes of screen time in Guardians, and then a couple of inconsequential post-credit scenes.
I would entertain the argument that the Infinity Stones themselves were the more important threat established across the entire MCU up to that point, but we don't really know enough about the plot of Doomsday to say anything about whether it has similar elements with an established history.
He had enough. We saw him multiple times, knew what he was going to try and do and how he was going to do it. We also got *a lot* of understanding of Thanos as a character through Gamora and Nebula, so he was being developed even while not appearing - such as in Guardians Vol. 2 (the scene where Nebula tries to kill Gamora). Doom doesn't have any of that. He has no lore established, no pre-existing relationships with other characters, no nothing.
>we don't really know enough about the plot of Doomsday to say anything about whether it has similar elements with an established history
Which is part of the problem. You knew going into IW that the Infinity Stones were important, and how they would be important. Years of them cropping up and being interacted with, non-existent for Doomsday. Regardless of the final product, the buildup will be nothing like Phase 3 because of the shoddy and murky foundations.
We know next to nothing (people who look at leaks excluded) outside of the main villain because his name is in the title.
People hate on Doomsday using cameos and nostalgia, but that’s the stuff that Marvel has been pulling off since The Avengers. Proved a superhero crossover film and shared universe would work, then brought in Spider-Man and proved a superhero vs superhero movie works, then did a two part climax with multiple superhero teams and it worked, then brought back characters from other universes in Spider-Man and Deadpool.
Seeing all these old characters is kind of a bummer because we've already seen their stories come to satisfactory conclusions and kind of shows they're a one trick pony instead of evolving post-endgame.
Since then, it's been a bunch of jumbled storylines that are in no way intertwined while also introducing the XMen who is part of an even older, more disconnected so going from Endgame straight to the nostalgia fest isn't really going to be enough for most people.
We already got that in Spiderman and Deadpool / Wolverine - people want the next evolution of the MCU, not just tired rehashed crap
> My contribution has been contributed,” he says of the forthcoming film. And then, slightly less evasively: “It is monumental. The centre of the story is absolutely brilliant, and was so surprising when I read it. It just has never been done before.”
I just wish Marvel gave them something that they could talk about. It would be great advertisement for him to say something like “I have an amazing scene with X character, I can’t wait for you to see it on the big screen”
DC was just batman archive
We will probably go back to regular movies now or AI action probably
So he is probably right...