Why was The Fantastic Four set in 828? And not set in 616?

Not that I didn’t enjoy the movie. And I do like the idea of the Multiverse.

I just think the Multiverse is a place for 616 Marvel characters to visit. Not for entire movies to be set there.

I wanted The Fantastic Four to be set in 616. In other words, I wanted a movie about the Fantastic Four I grew up with.

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Carrot_King_542025-12-29 08:38

Isn't 616 specifically the comics universe? So it can never be live action?

katbelleinthedark2025-12-29 08:41

The MCU is designated as 616.

Carrot_King_542025-12-29 08:46

Looks like it's both now, MCU is also 616 since Multiverse of Madness.

Otherwise it's the main comics universe.

Iamjaykrishnan2025-12-29 08:46

They literally showed mcu happens in 616, sacred timeline in DP and wolverine

DeadDrDoom2025-12-29 08:38

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Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-29 16:08

Yes:
options to say
**A)** We all went on vacation.
**B)** We went to outer space and had a proper meeting with Galactus.
**C)** We discovered the Negative Zone and built a prison there.
**D)** Reed ordered his family not to interfere in any Avengers-related issues.
**E)** When the family asked why they shouldn’t interfere, Reed simply said, “I don’t know.”

jramos0372025-12-29 20:57

Just curious, which actual MCU event does the Negative Zone one refer to?

Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-30 04:07

No they not said or mention but i am saying these are adventures they personally make

PleaseRecharge2025-12-30 01:04

**F)** We're all old as balls and don't want to get involved, plus Franklin is off in the universe somewhere solving some other problem

ContentAssumption2042025-12-29 18:31

Or maybe just like, have them get powers after the events of Endgame?

Are there people on this sub that actually think the FF are time travelers from the 1960s in the comics? I’m so confused.

Qui-Gon_Winn2025-12-29 08:40

Most likely the MCU 828 universe will end up being folded into the MCU 616 universe during Secret Wars, might be part of Doomsday too.

shanty20212025-12-29 08:40

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BabyfaceJohn2025-12-29 08:41

I feel like it’s because they couldn’t introduce F4 into the existing 616 timeline… if they did it’s either:

1) They’re brand new and will not be “established” like they are in their own movie.
2) Where have you been during the entire timeline until now… why didn’t you help when Loki, or Thanos etc.

Same issue with introducing Xmen IMO.
Bringing them in from another timeline and then leaving them there is cleaner than trying to introduce and explain them in 616

Misaki_Akuma0012026-01-13 13:09

Not to mention even they didn’t get power until after Endgame surely Reed Richards the smartest man on Earth would get a NameDrop before that (Hank Pym got a name drop in deleted scene of Thor and Stephen Strange got mentioned by Sitwell before he become a sorcerer) it wouldn’t surprise me why they chose to introduce F4 in an alternate universe, less problematic than introducing mutants

katbelleinthedark2025-12-29 08:41

Because then they'd have to explain where FF was for... well, every single film and crisis that happened before the FF film.

ContentAssumption2042025-12-29 18:26

Not if they developed powers in an accident that takes place after Endgame. They aren’t the X-Men or the Eternals.

katbelleinthedark2025-12-29 18:28

Then it'd have to be closer to an origin/establishing story and Marvel didn't want that. There was no way to have them as an established and known group AND have them in 616.

ContentAssumption2042025-12-29 22:24

Just tease them in other movies leading up to First Steps. Show their logo on billboards in the background of She Hulk or Hawkeye. Have them be name-dropped by Ant Man in Quantamania or Iron Heart in Wakanda Forever as a new group of heroes that set up shop in NYC a year ago. Show glimpses of villains they've defeated or worlds they've been discovering in the form of blink and you'll miss it social media posts in Ms. Marvel.

By the time you get to First Steps, they would have been around for about 2-3 years. That would be more than enough time for them to have become established and well known, especially with social media being a thing. Iron Man was a huge celebrity after only 6 months.

Misaki_Akuma0012026-01-13 13:10

ContentAssumption2042026-01-13 18:19

We could easily assume they were just mentioned by characters off-screen.

Hank Pym was only acknowledged in a deleted scene. In the movies themselves, he is never actually brought up until Endgame.

Misaki_Akuma0012026-01-13 22:56

But it still really weird that Reed Richards does nothing when Chituari invasion, Sokovia incident and Thanos quest happened if they insisted to make F4 on Earth-616, they have to make a bigger excuse that most ppl wouldn’t bought it (look at how ppl react to Eternals excuse of existing all along but not fighting Thanos because he’s not a Celestial threat, and how Namor just sit dormant underwater despite the blip is also affecting his own Talokan people)

the_elon_mask2025-12-29 08:42

They didn't want to completely ignore the Fox FF movies. The same with the X-Men.

So rather than do yet another origin story, they had them already established in another universe.

Doomsday/Secret Wars will end with a big shake up of the MCU, putting FF and X-Men in 616.

Resident_Society15942025-12-29 08:43

"the Fantastic Four I grew up with" how did the movie not satisfy you then?

To answer your question seriously, because the director Matt Shakman wanted to give the movie Jack Kirby's original retro-futuristic aesthetic for the fantastic four in the comics, without messing with the regular MCU's continuity

Goldman2502025-12-29 08:45

Because if they set it in 616, it creates awkward questions like “why was it never mentioned that superheroes (who aren’t military) have been a thing since the 60s?” and “where were the Fantastic Four during the events of the Infinity Saga?” Alien invasions become much less of an “oh my god, we’re not alone in the universe” when the whole world knows that Galactus rocked up and tried to eat the planet 50 years earlier.

eagc72025-12-29 10:09

Exactly like even if you keep the story in the 616 own 1960s you can't then do the Galactus story, since Loki's invasion is meant to be the first time the world at large became aware of aliens, at least with something like the Skrulls in Captain Marvel that wasn't a big event that made the world aware of aliens, Galactus on the other hand........you can't ignore the giant space god that is walking on New York

ContentAssumption2042025-12-29 18:21

Why not just have them exist in the modern day and develop powers AFTER Thanos?

eagc72025-12-31 22:22

I think it boils down to the following.

1. They wanted to homage Jack Kirby by showing a world that looks straight of the very retro-futuristic FF comics

2. They wanted to do Galactus as the villain of the first FF movie, but it causes the issue of okay what is the excuse to why none of the other Avengers help to deal with Galactus, since everyone would be aware he's coming, also having the movie in another universe also raises the stakes, because let me ask you this question, would you believe Earth-616/199999 the main setting of all of these movies is actually in risk of getting destroyed by Galactus.........? I don't, i actually believe this alternate Earth is more higher risk of being destroyed since it gives an excuse for the FF to move to the Sacred Timeline.

3. Allows them to explore the Multiverse a bit further.

4. Having the Fantastic Four in the Sacred Timeline would solve the in-universe question of who will be the next defenders of Earth now that the Avengers are gone, since the Fantastic Four can easily fill that void. But clearly they wanted the question if the Avengers will have a successor/assemble again be a major point in the lead up to Doomsday.

Misaki_Akuma0012026-01-13 13:11

Clawshot522025-12-29 08:47

They’ve been wanting to make a 60s period piece Fantastic Four for a while (Peyton Reed had been interested in this for a while), but their high profile nature as public figures would make them incompatible with the history of the MCU. A figure that mostly carried out secret missions like Hank Pym can be introduced late, but ones as prominent as the Fantastic Four would surely have been mentioned by now had they existed on Earth 616’s past. Additionally, being set in an alternate Earth helped raise the stakes for facing Galactus, as there was no guarantee that the FF would be able to save their Earth. Indeed, prior to the movie’s release a lot of people thought they would fail their mission and would jump ship to the mainline MCU as a result after their Earth and/or universe got destroyed, Rick and Morty style.

lungsofthelabyrinth2025-12-29 08:48

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OutrageousRain54152025-12-29 08:50

They would have to explain why Dr. Doom and the FF sat out the events leading up to the infinity war. If Doom even had a clue that the infinity stones existed he would stop at nothing to get them. They would also have to explain why SHIELD didn't bring in Reed as a consultant.

Bringing the FF into an already crowded universe would distract from their own story and cause too many story problems.

Fuzzy-Smile-69692025-12-29 08:55

If you grew up with Fantastic Four, then you knew the FF has been major part of marvel in comics.

How would you explain where the FF were during world threating events in the 616 Universe? One could argue, they were there during the 70s, went into a time portal and came back now, but I honestly don't think that wouldn't do justice for a FF story in MCU.

Yes, it would have been better if they were a part of MCU since the beginning, but the rights were with Fox back then.

I am happy that the FF we got is from a different universe. The only movie completely setup in a different universe in the Multiverse Saga.

eagc72025-12-29 09:57

Well the Fantastic Four are rooted to the 1960s considering the very reason they went to space was because of the space race.

Also allows them to avoid having to explain where the Fantastic Four were during all of the chaos going in the Infinity Saga because Marvel wanted to avoid retelling the origin story, they wanted a story where the Fantastic Four were already pre-established heroes for a long while.

Also it allows them to explore the Multiverse a bit more, i mean this is the Multiverse Saga after all and i have no doubt by the end of Secret Wars, the Fantastic Four will be merged with 616 and co-exist with the other heroes

ContentAssumption2042025-12-29 18:25

Most Marvel character’s origins are rooted in the 1960s. If you can swap Stark’s ties to Vietnam with the war on terror, and just get rid of Banner’s ties to the atomic age altogether, why not just alter the FF’s origins to involve the N-Zone or something?

eagc72025-12-29 20:39

I think Fantastic Four 2015 made them wanna steer away from the Ultimate iteration of their origins for the time being.

But i do agree that you can modify the origins, like we've already seen it happen, but i do think at the end of the day they wanted to start with a pre-established world famous Fantastic Four and avoid having to come up with an excuse as to why they weren't present for these other major events or why none of the MCU characters acknowledged that there was this other super team also operating. (Like they already had to do this with Eternals and i've seen alot of people not being content with the "Oh we can't interfer unless its deviants", cause even if its not a deviant, alot of the events that happened were still bad enough that would prevent Tiamut's birth).

RyukenRyusei2025-12-30 03:28

Well for FF:FS, the creative powers that be WANTED the 1960’s retro-futuristic aesthetic, so the best solution was another universe.

marvelcomics222025-12-29 10:06

More creative freedom as they don't have to deal with the whole continuity thing, and also they wanted the retrofuturistic world.

JazzmatazZ42025-12-29 10:37

The Multiverse should just be a place to visit? That's hella boring.

juances192025-12-29 12:45

> I wanted a movie about the Fantastic Four I grew up with.

???

Why would changing the number of the Earth they are in make them be or not be the ones you grew up with?

Other than having to ditch the retro aesthethic and an awkward scene where they have to explain why they haven't showed up to defend the Earth against Thanos I don't think the movie would've been any different in 616.

Being on the same universe allows for cameos and crossovers but I think as an introductory movie this was going to be a solo affair for the F4 either way.

eagc72025-12-29 21:00

Plus add an awkward scene where they explain why the other heroes weren't present when Galactus came to New York (Given this is at least something they would all be aware of if we keep Silver Surfer announcing his coming)

Obraxiss2025-12-29 22:20

I think the main reason it was set in an alternate earth was to give the story higher stakes, since no one would ever think that Galactus would ever win in 616, but in a varient earth?, ecpecally considering the Post credit scene of Thunderbolts, just maybe

DirectConsequence122025-12-30 01:23

>I wanted a movie about the Fantastic Four I grew up with

What about this movie wasn’t that? This is the most Fantastic Four ass movie they’ve ever made

Player2LightWater2025-12-30 05:08

Simple. To avoid doing the "where were they during this events?".