Two questions lingering in my mind ever since the Steve Rogers teaser dropped.

Okay, so Steve Rogers is officially coming back.

While I'm pleased that he's returning, two questions are lingering in my mind that I just can't get past.

1 : Banner knew very well that they had to return the stones to their original place in order to clip the branches. He informed Steve of the same. Why did he disobey Banner? It just doesn't seem very Steve like to do something like this without being sure it will not cause any further trouble.

2 : Doctor Strange said that he saw only one possibility where they win against Thanos. Fine, but wouldn't he have seen what that would lead to, i.e, Doom causing havoc in the multiverse? Why go for an approach that would bring something even more terrifying? And is that why the Strange in universe 838 decided to use the Book Of Vishanti to defeat Thanos because he knew Doom would come otherwise?

If anyone has answers to these, let me know. Otherwise just let me know what you think the justification could be.

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NES_Classical_Music2025-12-28 07:59

>>why did he disobey banner?

he didn't. why are you assuming he did?

MentalWolverine82025-12-28 08:25

He was asked just to return the stones and Mjolnir. Why would he take a decision to stay with Peggy in the past without consulting with Banner first? A guy like him who doesn't know much about science wouldn't want to do anything unless he was sure it wouldn't lead to anything untoward.

iaminfamy2025-12-28 09:02

Him going to be with Peggy doesn't mean he disobeyed Bruce.

He could have easily returned the Stone and the Hammer and retired to be with Peggy without breaking the continuum.

In fact it could be that Steve going to be with Peggy was predestined as there is evidence from the Carter show to suggest that Steve was with her at the time, and that aired before Endgame.

Realistic_Analyst_262025-12-28 09:09

Because he is a soldier. All soldiers deserve to go home after the war. Steve has fought in many but never truly felt like he returned but rather served as a guide for others to find their own peace. When he returned the stones, he thought of what Tony and Nat said about him needing to get a life and he did just that. That is what his arc was building up to. A selfish decision that actually benefits himself.

spidervenom6192025-12-28 09:21

As long as Steve doesn't messed around with events that are around the Infinity Stones (So pretty much the entire Infinity Saga and everything to do with Hydra/Natasha and her Family, Steve could in theory lives in the past and still be on the main timeline.

Remember that it's the Infinity Stones that hold up time, nothing else.

TaffyPool2025-12-28 08:25

Right. There’s nothing to suggest that he hadn’t followed Bruce’s instructions/warning to the t then, having finished his mission, made probably his first ever “selfish” decision by retiring the shield and rejoining Peggy in the 40s/50s

FingerDemon5002025-12-28 19:37

Or while he was back in 2012, he could have popped over to the Sanctum Sanctorum for a chat with the Ancient One to see if it could be done without wrecking the future.

bloodyell762025-12-28 08:06

For 2, it’s apparent that looking through timelines isn’t quite instant. So why would he see years later after beating Thanos? That wouldn’t be relevant to the problem at hand.

Fi1thyMick2025-12-28 08:19

Casual fans not understanding deeply complicated abilities always gets me lol. I love that I don't have to explain very much to my wife about it anymore

BlargerJarger2025-12-28 08:38

I mean, the outcome to Infinity War took five years to fruit as it was. Doomsday is a further… amount of years.

accelerateto882025-12-28 18:48

Since Strange was snapped, I imagine all but one of the futures he saw just ended, and the one where he was brought back was instant for him, not 5 years long.

vinny4242025-12-28 19:27

Yea he wouldn't be able to see what he wasnt going to be present for.

MentalWolverine82025-12-28 08:42

Well, clearly, using the Book Of Vishanti to defeat Thanos would have been equally effective. That's what the Illuminati used in universe 838. That challenges the fact that there was only one way to defeat Thanos, i.e, Tony snapping his fingers and all of it eventually leading to Doom.

bloodyell762025-12-28 08:46

That’s pretty simple. He checked 14 million before finding one. That’s already pretty thorough, I’d say. After the first 50 or so most would give up, or the first few thousand. 14 million would realistically be looking pretty hopeless. Yes maybe if he’d gone through another 25 million he’d have seen it, but it’s absolutely understandable that he stopped there.

BaronZhiro2025-12-28 08:55

There was probably only one way with the heroes they had. 838 had other heroes to work with, particularly Xavier and Black Bolt.

Realistic_Analyst_262025-12-28 09:07

Yeah people seem to forget that Strange was seeing the outcome of the COMING conflict. They weren’t exactly in the best situation to have many options. For all we know, the first 13 million could have ended on Titan right then and there.

MentalWolverine82025-12-28 09:13

The presence of the X-Men, Inhumans, etc. in Earth-838 is not the reason they used the Book of Vishanti to defeat Thanos.The Illuminati team was helpful in the fight, but the decisive factor was the book itself. This strongly suggests that Earth-616 could absolutely have defeated Thanos the same way, if they had found the book.

jamesrossurquhart2025-12-28 19:02

Universe 838 had a million other differences. They had Blackbolt, Professor X and Mr Fantastic. Doctor Strange only checked universes that were IDENTICAL to his universe up until that point in time to see which ones tried different strategies and only found 1 that worked. He wouldn’t check 838 because they had a whole different roster of people and abilities. Their universe was too far removed from his that it wouldn’t make sense to check it.

LewisRyan2025-12-28 08:11

Doom is a master sorcerer, it’s possible that he was influencing the futures strange could see.

Granted that would be a shitty way to treat iron man’s legacy, going “oh he didn’t actually have to die, there were more ways”

Edit: also strange didn’t believe in the multiverse until after endgame in MOM

MentalWolverine82025-12-28 09:22

I mean, clearly there were more ways : https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/MDIqQBxtq1

EcksFountain1322025-12-28 08:44

My own quirky theory: if Doom is indeed a Stark Variant. Strange let Tony die because he saw what he'd become but only saw it in 616.

capeasypants2025-12-28 09:48

The answer is simple. Diminishing box office returns. That's why they've got the same actors back. Hoping that will boost the final figures into a fuckzillion dolars

birdsonabat2025-12-28 19:54

It doesn't mean they won't write a story to explain it. Come on

Meriwether12025-12-28 18:53

Maybe it’s Hydra Steve

HawkeyeGild2025-12-28 18:57

Maybe Steve failed at returning the stones. I mean he had to travel to 5 different planets and fight crazy monsters

BagofBabbish2025-12-28 19:08

0.) you should’ve known he was back the second they shelled out $200M for RDJ.

1.) It seems like he did return them. He just stayed behind instead of returning home when he finished.

2.) Meta reality - this wasn’t the plan back then. In universe (probably) he didn’t see all future time in each of the million possibilities he observed.

Daranhatu2025-12-28 19:22

1. I don’t think it’s been said that Steve Rogers did NOT return the stones properly. The problem is that he remained in the past with Peggy, thus changing the timeline that way.
2. I think Strange’s view of the Thanos battle may not have gone beyond him seeing HOW they won and not the aftermath. Strange would have been more concentrated on that outcome rather than the effect on the timeline and even more so Doom’s arrival.

Wise_Raccoon_7712025-12-29 01:57

In convinced that in the steve trailer as he walks up to the door that the reflection is old steve and we're seeing different scenes spliced together....his frame seems a lot slimmer in the reflection

BZenMojo2025-12-29 05:35

Since you can't see past your own death according to the Ancient One, Steven chose the first universe he found where they win and he lives because he had no other choice. This is a theme brought up early in Doctor Strange 2 without directly making the point that he maybe could have made the sacrifice play and Tony Stark wins. Or, headcanon, he chose a reality where the least number of people die, which is why only Tony Stark dies in that whole fight.