Does anyone feel like Disney can actually create good stuff when it intends to

So during new season of Daredevil: Born Again I went in with no expectations. And first two episodes were actually good enough to hook me.

And later I found out how those two were later added because original stuff was not good, which was rest of reason.

I felt similar thing for Miss Marvel, first two episodes were really something and then they got lazy or something,

Or it’s like they restrict the quality to beginning and end, and give us fluff in middle.

But I know next Avengers will be good, because they actually deliver when they are serious,

It’s stuff like Thor 4 or Secret Invasion that they take for granted, like they get overconfident and assume audience will eat whatever they serve.

And they keep switching between two, because everything can’t be high stakes.

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Commercial_Site6222025-12-27 20:28

It’s not them purposely making something bad. It happens. Their output increased drastically post covid, it was bound to happen.

str8_whiskey2025-12-27 20:29

I do think some of that was Bob Chapek, he was a quantity over quality kind of guy.

lolzidop2025-12-27 20:35

It was a mix of Bob Chapek wanting more at the same time Covid hit. More content under heavy filming restriction means more disorganisation. Especially as it also meant that earlier content had to be shifted around a lot

matty_nice2025-12-27 21:22

Fans love to blame Chapek, he's just a scapegoat.

The quantity content was done by Iger and Feige before Chapek was involved. Chapek was announced as CEO in Feb 2020. The Phase 4 slate was announced in July 2019, which ahd the 5 films and 5 shows in two years.

CaptHayfever2025-12-27 22:00

5 films & 5 shows in 2 years would be significantly less than the 7 films, 8 shows, & 2 specials in 2 years that we ended up getting. Iger greenlit the projects, but Chapek *sped up the release schedule*, which in turn sped up the production schedule.

matty_nice2025-12-27 22:05

Well you have to consider that we had a year without any projects, so things just got pushed back. So wouldn't it really just be "7 films, 8 shows, & 2 specials in 2 years" in 3 years? Not like they did nothing production wise in 2019 and 2020.

The Phase 4 annoucement had Black Widow coming out in May 2020, filming wrapped in Oct 2019, and got pushed back until July 2021. Not like they were working on the film all the way until it's release date.

CaptHayfever2025-12-27 22:40

They did, in fact, lose over 6 months of production time in 2020. WandaVision, F&WS, Loki, Shang-Chi, and MoM all had to stop in the middle of what they were doing, then resume later. And after the delay, Hawkeye started filming, and Sony fast-tracked production on No Way Home as well (which then led to rewrites of both NWH and MoM as they ended up switching release order).

The delays *weren't* 1-to-1, also. Theaters were closed quite a bit longer than the productions were shut down for, & even after they reopened, it was several more months before they were performing well again. The movie releases were pushed back 2-3 times (except NWH, because Sony dug their heels in the ground & demanded a 2021 release).

I think Feige would've been okay with just sliding everything back the same amount of time, rather than compressing everything, because 7 films in 3 years is significantly less of a demand on both crews *and* audiences than 7 films in 2 years is. But Chapek wanted the Disney+ shows to start releasing even if the movies couldn't open yet, which led to WandaVision's rushed finale, F&WS's cut subplot, a full hour of Loki S1 being exposition dumps, et cet.

matty_nice2025-12-27 22:54

I fail to see how any of this relates to the original point of using Chapek as a scapegoat. Even the idea of D+ wasn't his, or that Marvel would have shows.

And sure, there were production issues but those went beyond Chapek. Like not having showrunners or even rushed productions.

Ultimately, Chapek was a very limited CEO, didn't have a lot of power and was only there for a short period. Yet fans are still blaming him for things years later. He didn't cause films like Eternals, Black Widow, or the Marvels to fail. He didn't cause the shows to be poorly received. Feige has talked for years about wanting to do 3 to 4 films a year, before Chapek.

I'll stand by my original comment here.

CaptHayfever2025-12-27 23:22

You fail to see how Chapek speeding up the release schedule relates to the original point of whether or not Chapek shares blame? Pull the other one.

spidervenom6192025-12-29 04:11

We all know why Black Widow and even Eternals "failed", you cannot blame those two films on anyone else but Chapek not being patient enough to wait until Covid was mostly done so that people can go and see those films in theater.

Also Chapek was the one who thought up the genius idea of releasing Black Widow on both Disney+ and the theaters which makes easier for Bootlegs to record it off Disney+ and thus less money for that film.

matty_nice2025-12-29 04:44

> We all know why Black Widow and even Eternals "failed"

You're forgetting Shang-Chi was released between those films and it did fine.

Even if you pushed back Eternals, it was never gonna be a hit. Scheduling was not the issue. Even F9 was released before Black Widow and it made 700M worldwide. So I don't think releasing Black Widow when it did was the reason it failed.

Maybe you could argue releasing it on D+ at the same time as a PVOD hurt the box office, but I'm not sure.

Black Widow and Eternals had a lot of issues. Releasing a prequel film of a dead character was a major problem.

spidervenom6192025-12-29 05:15

Again it's wild that you don't seem to understand that it's being on Disney+ means that more people are going to bootlegged it and watch it for free which means that money either way from Disney+ or more importantly the Box Office.

F9 meanwhile only got a Box Office release and that time let's be real the Bootleg didn't look the greatest so fans had to go and see in theaters.

matty_nice2025-12-29 05:33

I don't think bootlegs are gonna greatly impact the box office. People aren't choosing between watching a bootleg at home and going to the theatres. People who bootleg are typically never going to the theatres, just like they are never going to PVOD.

Black Widow made 380M WW. Maybe it would have made 500M if we take out Covid. Probably doing Ant-Man type of numbers. It made 125M on D+, so a box office of 505M.

You know a lot more about the quality of boolegs than I do.

F9 was also released on PVOD a month after it came out in the US. Still made 700M.

SeekerVash2025-12-28 07:22

He's a scapegoat. Yes, he ordered more quantity, but Feige signed off on what was produced.

Feige thought Quantumania was a guaranteed hit and they were shocked by it failing.

justduett2025-12-27 20:29

What an unnecessary post. Of course “Disney” can create good stuff… they do all the time, no matter if you’re focusing on Marvel, Pixar, SW, etc etc etc etc. No studio or production group is batting 1.000, and then there’s also the caveat that just because *someone* doesn’t like a project, it doesn’t mean that project is bad.

Past-Matter-85482025-12-27 20:31

Name some good stuff in recent memory?

vwin902025-12-27 20:34

Thunderbolts and fantastic four

Segwaye2025-12-27 20:34

Andor Season 2 (depending on how recent you want)

Zootopia 2 was decent to me, pretty good to others

Fantastic Four - I loved that

HackDaddy852025-12-27 20:36

Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Agatha All Along, Deadpool & Wolverine on the Marvel side

Zootopia 2, Inside Out 2, Encanto over on the Disney side.

FewWatermelonlesson02025-12-27 20:32

They need to stop rushing into production with half baked scripts.

One of the single biggest things that damaged the MCU post-Endgame was they went from 2-3 movies a year (which was already quite a lot for a single franchise) to at least 3 movies a year AND multiple tv shows, and because of the production time table the writing often wasn’t there, and it showed in the final product.

GarySoneji2025-12-27 20:35

Disney might have some general guidelines, but they’re not in charge of the story or writing.

SeekerVash2025-12-28 07:20

They are. Marvel is just a brand name now.

BetterCallMaul1232025-12-27 20:36

It’s essentially the consequences of entertainment that lives under a corporation. As a business, they want to make as much money as possible and so they do want every project to hit the same as their best. But great art varies project to project on what it takes to get there. This is where the corporate model gets in the way. Disney’s takeaway from success is “this worked last time, do it again” and misunderstanding the individual factors that led to why it worked. This is where Marvel/Disney’s biggest criticisms nowadays lie in that films and shows have become products of assimilation (same visual look, same jokes, same writing structure, etc). Great art needs variety that Disney as a corporation doesn’t always allow the time or personal touch to get there because they rely solely on brand recognition (and lately nostalgia) to make them money regardless.

mql2832025-12-27 20:51

I would say sometimes that the concept itself is pretty interesting as a concept but when they executed. It wasn’t what they imagined

Also, you need to put in mind that there not only the COVID, but also Writers and Actors strikes and Bob Chapek who hasn’t had any expert in leadership or media screen at all

Even something in early phases of Marvel was a big rough, go check the disaster behind the scenes of Iron Man 2, just like Multiverse saga has hit and miss. Same thing goes for Infinity Saga and this is coming who adores the franchise with being open minded

Also, an example when Andor announced as a series everyone where like either we loved Andor but don’t need a series or who the heck asked for it, and look the outcome, not only it’s one of the best Star Wars, but also becomes an Emmy award winning

So, to short all of it, depends on leadership on these projects, whether producers, the heads, etc…

RainMakerJMR2025-12-27 20:52

There’s budgets and availability of talent to consider. The cost of CGI work has gone up ridiculously compared to the quality of the output, so a lot of that has just been lackluster unless they spend tons on it. Theres only so many great directors and showrunners and etc. if they pick someone with a supporting role in something great to run something with a lower budget, it won’t be as good. But they only have so many options if they want to produce things. It’s a balancing act.

DrewWho302025-12-27 20:55

The big issue is quanity and bad people in charge. Too much unnecessary stuff is being made and they are hiring bad script writers and talent. They also have a myriad of problems with huge budgets, bad cgi, green screen, overediting and reshooting movies or shows.

matty_nice2025-12-27 21:19

I think that's really selective outlook. No one tries to make bad products.

I think post Endgame, Marvel just got too confident, thinking that anything they made would be a success. "We don't need showrunners" is a good example of this.

CaptHayfever2025-12-27 22:03

Fortunately, Marvel already figured out their big issue with rushing pre-production, & they've adjusted their approach to change that. Since they, they filmed Thunderbolts & First Steps, and we're about to get the first series they filmed since then as well (Wonder Man).

AsteroidMike2025-12-27 22:05

“Can X person or company anywhere actually create good stuff when they intend to?”

Hmmmm, don’t know that one, what a trick puzzler of a question.

No_Imagination_24902025-12-27 23:26

Everything from the first Avengers movie onwards has been produced by a Disney-owned Marvel Studios. So the answer would be, 'yes'.

WindowInformal49002025-12-27 23:39

There are some projects from marvel that are genuinely amazing. Any Gotg, Thor 3, Loki, captain America 1 and 2 just to name a few. However I think people forget why these movies were so good. It was because marvel got people who love and respect the source material and also have the right experience as directors or writers for those kinds of movies. Moonknight however is a perfect example of the exact opposite situation. The director came out saying he’s not a fan of action scenes so decided to skip over them for the most part. Moonknight is so violent he made taskmaster cry.

whosjfrank2025-12-28 03:46

What a dumb question, who out there is trying to make bad things that don't make money on purpose?

ReddiTrawler20212025-12-31 18:15

Well, there was the Disney Renaissance in the 90s.