Fan Theory - Old Steve Rogers already lived through Doomsday and Secret Wars

Hear me out.

Now that it’s been revealed that Steve Rogers is returning in Avengers: Doomsday, I’ve been rethinking the ending of Avengers: Endgame.
What if the old Steve Rogers we saw at the end of Endgame had already experienced the events of Doomsday and Secret Wars?

Think about it.

When Steve went back in time to return the Infinity Stones, he didn’t just retire peacefully. He lived an entire life in the past. During that time, he could’ve been pulled into future multiversal events, Doomsday and Secret Wars fought in them, survived, and then continued aging until the exact moment he was supposed to reappear on that bench in Endgame.

That would mean:

Old Steve wasn’t just a retired Captain America
He was someone who had already seen the multiverse collapse
Someone who knew how everything ends… and still chose not to interfere

He never forgot that he had to return to the Endgame timeline at the right momentbecause that was always part of the loop.

So when Sam asks, “You wanna tell me about her?”

Steve smiles… because there’s way more he can’t tell.

If this is true, then Steve’s return in Doomsday isn’t a resurrection—it’s a reveal.

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Skarr-Skarrson2025-12-26 12:24

There is also nothing that says he didn’t interfere, just not with the events we have so far seen on screen. He could have done all sorts of clandestine work in those years, not just the doomsday stuff that will be coming up.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 13:02

Yes, he must have done a lot of things apart from Doomsday, but Doomsday is about to come, so we will talk about that only, brother.

uniq_username2025-12-26 15:42

Denied.

percocet_202025-12-26 13:39

They could do a whole movie of stuff that he stopped from happening because him going back in time and staying was always supposed to happen

BZenMojo2025-12-26 17:54

Markus/McFeely, the writers, said it was an alternate universe and timelines. The Russos made up the whole thing about him traveling back to our own past months later, completely contradicting the guys who came up with the time travel rules and explained it in detail for the audience so we wouldn't be confused. And now we're confused.

navjot942025-12-26 18:26

It’s the other way around actually. Writers say he took the long way back while the Russos said he was in alternate branch. I think Doomsday will give us the true story.

Soulwarfare422025-12-26 18:57

You got it wrong

The Writers said that Steve remained in the sacred timeline. Russos were the ones who said Steve went to an Alternate timeline and then came back when he was old to give the shield

Personally, I agree more with the writers than I do with the Russos but time travel is always messy

LittleYellowFish12025-12-26 19:19

The original idea for *Endgame's* time travel was to make it about stable time loops - like *Prisoner Of Azkaban* - so all of the character scenes in the past (Natasha's death, Tony meeting Howard, Thor meeting Frigga, Cap's ending) were *supposed* to have actually taken place within the history of the main timeline.

But then the producer told them to kill off Thanos at the start for shock factor, and since they'd already planned out the big final battle, they had to go the multiverse route instead so they could bring a variant of him back. So the writers' original idea for Cap now makes no sense, and it only works under the Russos' logic that he did go to live in another timeline.

-Darkslayer2025-12-26 23:22

Which producer? I remember an interview saying Thanos death was a writing team decision because they failed in creating a scenario where he could be beaten

LittleYellowFish12025-12-26 23:41

Trinh Tran.

Vandersveldt2025-12-27 08:35

I think he broke the rules and will be the main thing to finally cause the upcoming incursion

mediocre-referee2025-12-26 17:29

Or he learns that his interfering is what is causing incursions so he realizes if he wants to stay with Peggy, he has to lay low for all those years. That would help answer that question on why he doesn't rescue Bucky from Hydra, save the Starks, help the Avengers stop Thanos, etc

Skarr-Skarrson2025-12-26 17:34

Those are things he can’t interfere with without messing up the time line as it currently stands. So he wouldn’t be doing that. Anything we haven’t seen on screen though, all fair game. One thing for he is that he actually fights Alexi at some point, I love the idea that he isn’t actually talking out of his ass. But unless it comes in a flash back form I doubt we will ever see it as I highly doubt he will be in another after Doomsday and Secret Wars.

TheSpeckledSir2025-12-26 19:04

My favourite headcanon is that he did plenty of clandestine work in the intermittent years while in the past - including facing off against one Red Guardian.

TallanoGoldDigger2025-12-26 20:47

"Doom kidnapping a cosmic baby? I was in the back"

"Mutants fighting the Avengers? I was in the back"

- Steve Rogers

DEADERSPELLS2025-12-26 12:47

This theory has already been brought up

Introvert-person72025-12-26 13:09

Where?

Palmquistador2025-12-26 13:16

The platform you’re on right now.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 13:56

I haven't seen it yet.

Okay, if it true then send me the link on which sub it is and from which account it was uploaded.

DEADERSPELLS2025-12-26 14:46

I usually don't do the work and search for other people, but I'm at work, and I have nothing better to do so I'll look real quick

EDIT: Here it is from like 10 days ago. There's others but I'm only gonna do this one for you

https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories/s/oWTkjrSyE4

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:22

Ohh I haven't seen it and I haven't joined that sub either.

Thanks for telling me

ax3capital2025-12-26 13:17

mss

Chase_Analyst2025-12-26 13:24

Almost every other week on this very subreddit

The_Abjectator2025-12-26 13:51

Hey, but what about this?

Um... Steve Roger's is actually Doctor Doom's roommate. And um... it's like a 3-man and a Baby situation so Doom, Rogers, and D-Man are roommates and get up to shenanigans cause RDJ is like the NPH character from HIMYM and D-Man is just doing his best... OK?

Fan theory born. Screencrush better pay me for weaving gold.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 13:58

Okay !

Wrong-Vermicelli47232025-12-26 13:34

It’s a basic theory for obvious reasons lol. I’ve seen it literally everywhere. Facebook, instagram, threads and Reddit.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 14:02

Oh, I haven’t seen it on other platforms. I only use Reddit.

icameforgold2025-12-26 14:43

It's on reddit the most.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:20

Send me the link, I also want to read his theory.

LordMohid2025-12-26 15:21

Doesn’t seem like you only use Reddit with the way you respond to people here. This ain’t Facebook

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:39

And this ain't instagram.

HackDaddy852025-12-26 13:47

Everywhere. Here, TikTok, Instagram Reels, there’s a lot of people who immediately recognized this because of course that’s what happened based on the time travel rules the MCU has established

sillysocks342025-12-26 14:02

Screen Crush has a whole video on it

Notoriously_So2025-12-26 12:53

![gif](giphy|1HFW57gpsSLEA)

Skinny_Asian472025-12-26 13:16

brother... can't even post a fan theory without getting AI to do the work for you? Jeeezus

Introvert-person72025-12-26 13:53

Bro, this is my own theory and I just used ChatGPT for translation. I don't know how many people here are from where, from different cities and states, So who knows whether someone knows Hindi or not?

ungstungstungst2025-12-26 15:01

It still sucks broski

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:24

Idgaf

marvelcomics222025-12-26 15:15

If you're going to need a translator, use Google Translate, it exists for a reason.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:37

ChatGPT gives cleaner and clearer translations than Google. That’s why I prefer ChatGPT.

marvelcomics222025-12-26 15:39

If you're willing to support clankers over basic algorithms, go ahead.

chrib1232025-12-26 19:22

Google translate is like 100 times worse that AI translations.

Translation is actually one of the things is useful for a cause it can keep cultural context in mind.

Otherwise you get weird things that don't make sense in the other language.

I understand hating generative AI, but you just hate computers at that point.

ishmael_king932025-12-26 17:28

LOL holy shit

razor2reality2025-12-26 15:25

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Captain_Norris2025-12-26 16:05

It's the cadence of the text. The "It's not x it's y" paired with the em dash is pretty telling

razor2reality2025-12-26 16:38

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Captain_Norris2025-12-26 18:14

Yeah, when you use Ai generated content enough (or you read the content that inevitably shows up everywhere), you'll start to pick uo the patterns. There are aome good YouTube vids and sybstack articles that helo point out these patterns. When you see it, you won't be able to unsee it!

razor2reality2025-12-26 19:28

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Captain_Norris2025-12-26 22:14

Your welcome! Sorry for all the typos I made, hopefully it was readable enough

SGdude902025-12-26 18:33

You realized that by revealing this, you are allowing AI to train better and be harder to expose in the future?

Captain_Norris2025-12-26 18:35

Lol, I haven't "revealed" anything that hasn't been known for forever. You can find this stuff everywhere

JasonP272025-12-26 13:25

I think Doom will kill Old Man Rogers in Doomsday.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 13:58

Let's see

Crazy_Mann2025-12-26 13:26

It could also be his son who is at the end of Endgame if Steve has disappeared to who knows where and is unable to return

Also: Stop using Ai, it's unprofessional

chaosenhanced2025-12-26 13:54

Is reddit a place for professional posts now?

DefNotAShark2025-12-26 15:58

Lmao OP isn’t even wearing a shirt and tie when they present their Captain America time travel theory

Introvert-person72025-12-26 14:00

Bro, who the fuck told you it’s AI? I only use ChatGPT for good translations

Abides19482025-12-26 13:43

This is the same theory that I've seen elsewhere, except that in those Steve is an active participant in destroying realities and genocide.

NrFive2025-12-26 13:43

Captain Multiverse / Universe!

demonoddy2025-12-26 13:44

I don’t think it works like that

Introvert-person72025-12-26 14:03

Yeah it's just theory 😜

ckal092025-12-26 13:47

To me this doesn’t make sense because nothing happened in the past before the events of current day MCU.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 14:03

It's just a theory bro, When did I call it real?

ckal092025-12-26 14:13

I don’t call it real. I’m commenting on your theory. And it doesn’t make sense in the MCU timeline

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:18

It's just a theory bro, don't sense anything 😂🙏

ckal092025-12-26 15:22

It should make sense in universe lol

Steve Rogers learned how to random into Godzilla in the past and he comes back to defeat Doom.

Just a theory bro 🤣

Grape_Appropriate2025-12-26 13:57

Everybody is theorising this. Your not the 1st or the most interesting

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:13

So why are you getting upset?
If there’s a problem, just delete social media. Shitting in the comments won’t change anything

Grape_Appropriate2025-12-26 15:24

Oh I'm sorry I thought your post was open to comments. Did I understood wrong? Or were just allowed to comment positively reviews??

Genmah2025-12-26 13:58

I'm not really into that theory, mainly because >!every universe in the multiverse might collape and be reconstructed into a single reality!< in Doomsday or Secret Wars, and that would have affected the epilogue of Endgame.

But the Russo brothers have, though they are very competent, made oopsies before. Like making Cap go back for Peggy and by that replacing whatever husband she had before thus making her children (with that husband) not being born. Yes, Russo brothers might claim that was the case all along, that Cap was their father all along. But Cap didn't know that when he went back in time and purpousely affecting Peggy's life and children in that way doesn't feel very "Steve Rogers".

mriabtsev2025-12-26 15:46

Iirc, old Peggy refused to show Cap a pic of her kids or discuss her husband. At the time I remember thinking 'aaaaa what if somehow he's her husband and it's time shenans'. Even tho that was a crackpot theory at the time and falls apart if examined too hard, I like to think they were laying bread crumbs that early for various possibilities. x3

SecretWarsIsComing2025-12-26 17:18

Unless it was always meant to be, which is why TVA doesn’t interfere. At least that’s what’s in my head-canon for now - in addition to the passing of Peggy scenes you’re referring to.

BZenMojo2025-12-26 17:50

You'd have to ignore the only movie where Peggy and Steve talk after First Avenger for this theory to work. He goes to the Smithsonian, sees an interview of her describing how Steve rescued her husband from a Hydra camp, we cut to Steve looking at photos of her and her husband and child, and he says, "You should be proud of yourself, Peggy."

Steve's not in our universe. He's in an alternate universe created by him returning to Peggy. Those kids don't exist in that universe. That husband doesn't marry her. It's a different universe.

Genmah2025-12-26 20:58

But would present day Steve know this, that he would end up in a branched, additional timeline? It’s of course possible he knows about the subject of branched timelines from his Avengers colleagues, but could he be sure it would be impactful enough to branch the timelines and thus preserving Peggy’s current children?

I’m not sure Steve would be sure about that, and that makes it something that I believe Steve would not do.

Genmah2025-12-26 20:54

Yeah, it is a plausible theory considering all the hints. But present day Steve Rogers would’nt know that I think, and he wouldn’t make such a choice that ended up in Peggy’s current children not being born.

vashoom2025-12-26 21:17

I THINK Steve would know that anything he does in the past would create a branch. Hulk explains it to everyone. It's possible he lingered there in the 50's just a tad too long. Like, not intending to marry her and have kids, just to see her again. And then by the time his logic overtakes his emotions, he realizes that he's already branched the timeline no matter what. And decides to have a life and make this branch a happy one for himself after kind of denying himself for so long.

So in that sense, it's possible Peggy's kids would have never been born regardless, because he had already impacted the timeline, something I think he would have been capable of understanding and weighing in his decision to remain longer and longer and eventually just live out a whole life.

Genmah2025-12-26 21:35

Interesting theory!

But if the timeline bransched, how could old Steve return to regular present day?

I hope they acknowledge this dilemma in Doomsday. Would be really interesting.

vashoom2025-12-26 21:57

Aren't they always going from a branch back to the main universe? I don't know. The whole plot just barely made logical sense in Endgame. Throwing more wrinkles in it hurts my brain. Because like, even if they went into the past of their own timeline when they went back to the battle of New York, they mess with it pretty heavily and definitely create a new branch (where the TV Loki comes from). But they're still able to travel back to the sacred timeline.

Which doesn't jive with what Hulk tells the Ancient One. But yeah, I hope they put a least a little effort into explaining a little more of these mechanics in Doomsday. Or find some other way to say that none of it matters.

Genmah2025-12-26 22:00

Yeah, that TVA Loki’s escape subplot also nagged me. Hope they’ll adress that too in the future.

MBCnerdcore2025-12-27 05:57

Quantum Realm time travel allows anyone to get to any branch or 'sacred' timeline (MCU, Fox Universe, Sony Venomverse, etc).

The Pym-particle powered process prevents potential problems.

myruinedhands2025-12-27 09:40

The alliteration 👏👏

CanadianWildWolf2025-12-27 02:51

We’ve already seen from SpiderMan‘s, Ant Man’s, and Doctor Strange’s movies that characters from other timelines can move back into the main trunk of Loki’s “Tree”.

Taking the analogy further, it was like Kang had pruned so much of the tree, it was like those trees we see with few branches and subsequently no leaves or needles, looking so lifeless we call it a dead stand but Loki let the tree spring back to life in glorious green.

Genmah2025-12-27 03:43

That’s true! But that would require Rogers having access to either magic or tech that would allow him to do multiversal travel (as well as time travel), and that’s not how it has been presented in the Endgame epilogue.

MBCnerdcore2025-12-27 05:52

If changes aren't drastic enough to cross streams into another parallel universe (like Cap ending up at FOX X-Men events through small changes to World War 2, accidentally meets Wolverine and inadvertantly skips liberating Magneto's concentration camp), then the branch eventually connects back to the main branch it came from (Cap doesn't meet Wolverine in WW2, Magneto origin never happens, MCU happens instead)

Heisenburgo2025-12-26 23:19

I hope that's not true cuz it would effectively mean a young Steve made out with and wanted to shag his own grand-niece, the PowerBroker, in the future, and that would be nas-tay.

mriabtsev2025-12-27 00:08

*Stop examining so hard*. xD

MaxReb02025-12-26 15:53

While I hear you and I think it flies in the face of the time travel logic set up in the movie, I think the whole point is Steve finally choosing his own happiness. Throughout the previous films, he has always been the selfless type and sacrificed for everyone else again and again. So at the end of Endgame, we the audience cheer for him when he finally does something for himself.

Hashmob____________2025-12-26 19:48

This is how I see it to. He made every sacrifice imaginable for the world as a whole, and he finally said “no I want this” and did something about it when he had a chance. That scene implied that the children Peggy had are Steve’s.

MaxReb02025-12-26 19:52

Exactly! And, I’d assume, this will add to the tragedy of Doomsday - when Cap finally does something for himself, it backfires with multiversal consequences

PapaSnow2025-12-27 07:45

The man destined for selflessness and selflessness alone

Genmah2025-12-26 20:47

As I wrote in a comment above: It is of course possible that Steve Rogers is the mystery father of Peggy’s children.

But.

Present day Steve Rogers would not know that. From his perspective, he went back and replaced Peggy’s old husband and thus hindered Peggy’s current children from being born. And that is not a choice Steve Rogers would make.

I get that they wanted Steve to do something for himself, but I don’t believe Steve would actively make a choice like that.

shaheedmalik2025-12-28 08:15

Peggy kids' father is Timeline Z's Steve Rogers.

Timeline A Steve Rogers doesn't know that.

Swerdman552025-12-28 00:37

Yep. It’s what makes his ending bittersweet and not incredibly out of character like so many people say it is.

Genmah2025-12-26 20:41

I hear you too!

The problem with Steve doing this precise thing for himself is that it basically (from what he knows) stops Peggy from meeting her original husband and thereby makes their children not coming into existance. And that feel very morally gray and something I feel that Steve Rogers simply would not do.

I’m all for Steve Rogers making himself happy, but never of the cost of stopping current children coming into existance.

It IS entirely possible that Steve Rogers were the mystery husband and father of Peggy’s children from the beginning, but present day Steve Rogers woudn’t know that. From his perspective he simply replaced Peggy’s old husband and thus hindered Peggy’s current children from being born. And that is not a thing Steve Rogers would do.

mgslee2025-12-26 21:49

The explanation could easily be that Peggy left him a note/photo that he sees after the Final Battle of Endgame and knows it all works out and is why he choose to stay because it was 'meant to be'

MBCnerdcore2025-12-27 05:49

Steve should understand MCU multiverse theory, that his changes don't prevent the timeline with that other husband from happening. Steve just branched a timeline for himself to be with her, but the other version of things is still out there, not replaced.

iwannalynch2025-12-26 16:04

> every universe in the multiverse might collape and be reconstructed into a single reality in Doomsday or Secret Wars, and that would have affected the epilogue of Endgame.

Do you mean that you think that the collapse of the multiverse happening "before" the Steve's appearance in the Endgame epilogue would have made this impossible?

If so, I feel like, it's likely the reboot after Secret Wars will be a soft one, in that most of the events of the "Sacred Timeline" will be preserved in some way throughout time, so that event would still exist for an elderly Steve to return to.

It's kind of what happened in the comic Secret Wars too, most things remained the same, but some new characters have been incorporated into the main storyline.

FictionFantom2025-12-26 17:17

IIRC universes weren’t consolidated at the end in the comics. The Fantastic Four and Franklin rebuilt the multiverse. But for whatever reason, Miles and his continuity came to 616.

nashty20042025-12-26 17:55

Exactly. And also I think the whole idea of “Steve choosing to stay with Peggy = multiverse collapse” is insanely stupid and devalues what little sense his ending in Endgame had

Cap isn’t dumb enough to cause selfishly cause some kind of grand time damage just because he wants to get laid. The ending in endgame only made sense because we assume it turned out fine BECAUSE he’s cap and he always makes the right decision

team_lloyd2025-12-27 09:00

what if doom ends up being the baby daddy that Steve came back and stole Peggy from and this is all just a Maury povich situation

Matto_02025-12-28 10:24

> every universe in the multiverse might collape and be reconstructed into a single reality in Doomsday or Secret Wars

Would be the only thing that can bring me back into the MCU.

TopShelfBuds2025-12-26 14:35

This is a really nice tie-in to adding another level of Avengers Endgame’s finale. I like this theory because we are seeing a normal aged cap in the trailer. So it could all fit.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:19

Yeah, but it's just a theory 😂

I don't know why people are getting angry in comments

awesomo13372025-12-26 14:59

Stop thinking back to anything in the infinity saga…..they did not pre plan this!

ymi172025-12-26 15:10

Your theory is fine.

Why can’t you just post it instead of copying and pasting chat gpt?

“Isn’t a resurrection-it’s a reveal” is not human generated.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:27

Yes I said earlier that I only use chatgpt for translation and I made some changes on my own.

If you want, I can send you a screenshot.

ymi172025-12-26 15:30

I don’t need to see your ai prompts

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:57

A conclusion without knowledge is meaningless.

ymi172025-12-26 16:31

Sounds like you just made your anti ai case for me.

Clue_Positive2025-12-26 20:15

It's not that deep bro

aretoodeto2025-12-26 20:18

I understand you were right in this case, but as someone who uses em dashes occasionally, it's really frustrating that people just automatically assume that means it's AI now

Samtheman04252025-12-26 20:55

it’s not just the em dash—it’s the way it’s used

worldwarzack2025-12-27 13:26

If you were an AI- you’d have used a dash in that very short comment.

MarvelNexus_6162025-12-26 15:13

Interesting theory. If Steve truly lived through Doomsday and Secret Wars in secret, that would explain his patience and wisdom in Endgame. But then, could he have acted beforehand and changed something in the multiverse?

khavii2025-12-26 15:15

This is my major theory too, I think he names Sam his replacement because he saw Sam's actions during the war, he doesn't want to talk about it because that may change the outcome and he has already made it through, he has a family that is now safe and sound and doesn't want to risk any of it.

MercilessMarvin2025-12-26 15:15

Fuck AI

marvelcomics222025-12-26 15:16

Wow, what an original theory that I haven't seen five times on Tumblr and ten times on Reddit. Anyways, AI slop.

Stretch4072025-12-26 15:17

this was already discussed in detail by Coltyn from Screen rush on YouTube

LordMohid2025-12-26 15:23

If this is true, then Steve’s return in Doomsday isn’t a resurrection—it’s a reveal.

Gtfo with your ChatGPT slop

RepulsiveContract4752025-12-26 18:16

Humans are perfectly capable of using am em dash too, lol

LordMohid2025-12-26 19:03

Except, OP agreed to using ChatGPT

fsavages232025-12-26 22:21

The sentence structure is the giveaway not the em dash

V2Blast2025-12-27 01:59

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who recognized the obvious ChatGPT-style phrasing.

Oilswell2025-12-26 15:32

Congrats, you made the awful fan theories even worse

Accomplished_Cake3222025-12-26 15:55

The thing is Steves Engame closure never made much sense in the first place imo. You can interpret it differently i guess and the MCU has broken their own times travel rules likes 3 times by now so who knows.

I do think they will try to make it some kind of Time Loop too but i try not to think about it top hard, bc it will never make sense on paper

Introvert-person72025-12-26 15:59

Okay, it's just a theory

DotaGaveMeCancer2025-12-26 16:47

It was already established in Endgame that changing the past doesnt change the present,so most likely someone forced Steve or Steve himself decided to join Doomsday events at that point in time,but that doesnt change what happened to Sam and old Steve because for that old Steve Doomsday never/will ever happen.

retrospects2025-12-26 16:47

Here is my theory for Doomsday

🤷🏻‍♂️

tehCharo2025-12-26 17:17

This is the best one!

Professional_Ad_54372025-12-26 16:54

But did Strange foresee Doom in his ‘only one way’ time stone bit?

Odd-Spray-85132025-12-26 17:10

Go to r/mcutheories, the people here are misers who hate conversation

navjot942025-12-26 18:29

I like this theory, and want to add that maybe Sam in the future gives Steve the shield, and that’s the shield that Steve gave Sam in Endgame.

I don’t want Sam to die but the story seems primed for a classic Captain America sacrifice. Sam doing something like that to save the multiverse but then in a post credits scene, waking up in a different time period, could be a great way to set the seeds for the next big event after Secret Wars (à la Apocalypse or something) and keep Captain America as the man out of time.

Introvert-person72025-12-26 19:27

This is also good 👍

Business_Barber_36112025-12-27 01:44

If that means the MCU isn't giving up on Sam then I'm cool with it. Not really him dying either.

SGdude902025-12-26 18:34

My theory is that Steve gave Sam the shield because he already knew from the events of Doomsday and Secret Wars that Sam was a great Captain America

Introvert-person72025-12-26 19:28

Maybe yes !

drew83112025-12-26 19:45

I think the outcome of these events means he won't exist anymore so this isn't possible. A reboot means this is really the last time we will see these actors.

Professor_Dubs2025-12-26 21:46

Yeah I thought this was common knowledge but for some reason some people are still confused online about hoe Steve is back.

mccnchildrowan2025-12-26 22:43

You have more hope is Disney/MCU then I do.

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Disastrous_Potato1602025-12-27 03:33

Endgame really messed up badly with the time travel, and violates its own rules as explained in the movie. They had a mission to get the infinity stones from the past, and as long as they fully intended to put them back later without changing anything, they would be able to travel back to the present in the original timeline to save their own universe. Problem is their mission failed as soon as Thanos left the past and got killed in the future. This would mean that when they returned the present with the stones they were no longer in the sacred timeline. But since past Thanos was killed in the present, then he wouldn’t have been there to do the snap in the first place in the altered timeline, and yet it still happened somehow.

MBCnerdcore2025-12-27 06:06

No, everything resets back to Sacred as soon as Steve returns the stones, and while branches can continue to exist, if they aren't drastic enough changes the timeline branches come back and return to Sacred on their own. (Sacred in this case just means 'solidified universe' like the MCU, Fox verse, sony verse, etc. not specifically the TVA's chosen 'sacred' timeline meant for HWR/Kang)

Brilliant_Draw_31472025-12-27 03:58

Bruh. Merica kept the stones

yoyofro252025-12-27 04:21

Bro fr just rewrote my theory from over a year ago with chatgpt

https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories/s/Rf1KDiJFR1

Introvert-person72025-12-27 04:24

Bro, I wasn't even on reddit a year ago and you know that reddit doesn't recommend old posts.

LinkedInParkPremium2025-12-27 05:10

Low chance Steve doesn't survive the incursions and Doom. Thor on the other hand sounds like he is toast.

MuNansen2025-12-27 05:21

Yeah I'm into this theory. He have the shield to Sam not just because he was confident in him, but because he's necessary, and he's seen it himself.

Also this means we can get a Peggy in action along side him, since he had to keep quiet about her.

PapaSnow2025-12-27 07:44

THANK YOU! I’ve been thinking the exact same thing

tittieman2025-12-27 09:35

Time travel and the multiverse is just so freaking awful and lame. Tired of it and it makes me so sad

Neither-Spell-6262025-12-27 11:03

Why?

tittieman2025-12-27 19:38

I could probably write a lot about this, but it feels lazy and uncreative. It’s a get out of jail free card and is short sighted. It devalues any and all stakes. Marvel couldn’t succeed with creating new, engaging stories, so where did it lead us? Back to Chris and RDJ. Not to mention it’s just hard to follow unless you watch every drop of content (which I think they know). Just move the story forward, I don’t need 27 alternate universes.

It can work in certain media (spider verse) but get it out of the main stream.

JDPooly2025-12-27 14:07

It's weird that the assumption that Steve could actually live a life and not interfere is so prevalent. I feel like a guy who is still that kid that jumped on the grenade isn't gonna be the guy who finally decides it's not his problem , especially considering how much he would know about things that could or would happen. Obviously him interfering would change things, but I can't imagine he'd be comfortable in an actual normal life. He's a hero through and through, he just gets to do it with the love of his life by his side

lulzbot2025-12-27 15:30

He could drastically (unintentionally or not) change Buckey and the Starks timeline. Maybe this how Doom begins?

CharmyFrog2025-12-27 15:38

This is also my theory.

WindowInformal49002025-12-28 00:03

This is one of those hulk remembers Peter moments to me. Like I see where everyone is coming from but also no. Love the theory tho
Brother

Swerdman552025-12-28 00:35

I fear this is pretty obviously the case.

bidooffactory2025-12-28 09:31

I could be wrong but there's a few potential holes with this, even though I've had a similar thought

1. Captain America: Brave New World - The Leader comments on the multiverse headache pending. This is post Endgame so the timeline doesn't really work if Rogers "does Doomsday and Secret Wars" in the past.

2. Fantastic Four: First Steps: the interdimensional spaceship (Doom or Richards) appears in the timespace inhabiting THE THUNDERBOLTS* post credits scene. Doomsday and Secret Wars hasn't happened yet.

Without the coordinates and a pad to work with, how is Cap meant to be a time slipping sonuvabitch that "does Doomsday and Secret Wars" if that's part of the future MCU timeline and not part of the "getting me some of that sweet life and take the scenic route" years?

Lost_Lecture_76562026-01-01 20:04

Makes 0 sense

Fit-Debate-7842026-01-02 09:40

I think him returning to Peggy caused some sort of incursion that’s why doom is chasing him, I think doom’s whole purpose is get the children like franklin, love, steve’s baby, Wiccan and more to create battle world since he now knows that multiverse is broken (time traveling, crossing the multiverse = events that could possibly cause an incursion) the only way to fix this to create a one single world without any multiverse so it won’t have any problems. Since the rumors saying doomsday’s poster is gonna be like doomwar comics (doom playing chess) in the comics he tries to get vibranium and has to cross Bast himself, bast allows him to cross since doom convinced her that his vision of a unified, technologically advanced world ruled by him was the path to humanity's salvation. So if the rumors are right then he is making battle world for the sake of humanity. Steve also realize the problems he caused and if he again interferes the future another multiverse would eventually be formed leading doom’s battle world to fail. I don’t know if avengers would know his plans from the start, they might just want their kids back since doom probably just stole them so if the avengers tries to bring back their children stopping doom creating battle world than the incursions would happen and it’s all because of the avengers or russo brothers could just go from avengers knowing his plans but they both want to save humanity but with different ways, doom creating battle world and avengers somehow stops incursion.

ZealousidealMain49342026-01-10 01:20

How does this happen if the multiverse is going to collapse and the different universes fused into a new universe? There’s no xmen or f4 in Endgame so how does he survive doomsday and get to endgame as an old man?