Anyone like that they bringing back Steve Rogers in Doomsday?
I was honestly surprised. I actually shouldn't have been surprised since the russos their favorite character is Steve so of course their bringing him back 🙄. Imo Steve had his time to shine and had so much screentime. Sam is captain america now. They introduced so many new characters and now it feels like they crawling back and using nostalgia instead of investing time in their new characters and old characters like Sam for example.
If they had to bring back a dead character from the infinity saga i would have preferred Natasha. Honestly not that hyped for it.
also the lack of female characters is concerning, hopefully some of them havent been announced, but what we know so far its Yelena, Sue, Mystique, Ghost, and Shuri and thats it? Not having captain marvel or Monica in this is crazy to me. Apparently Sam doesn't have 1 female character on his new team. For me personally would have liked to have seen Quake on his team, but thats just my personal wish lol. Anyway what do you think? U like them going the nostalgia route, cuz that seems where they are headed with this film. I just hope the new characters dont get sidelined.
And i know the movie isn't out yet, so of course its all speculation
If they had to bring back a dead character from the infinity saga i would have preferred Natasha. Honestly not that hyped for it.
also the lack of female characters is concerning, hopefully some of them havent been announced, but what we know so far its Yelena, Sue, Mystique, Ghost, and Shuri and thats it? Not having captain marvel or Monica in this is crazy to me. Apparently Sam doesn't have 1 female character on his new team. For me personally would have liked to have seen Quake on his team, but thats just my personal wish lol. Anyway what do you think? U like them going the nostalgia route, cuz that seems where they are headed with this film. I just hope the new characters dont get sidelined.
And i know the movie isn't out yet, so of course its all speculation
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They showed him as a father living his life, done with being a superhero. So we’ll be extra sad for him when he kicks the bucket.
It runs the risk of cheapening the very well done goodbye in Endgame too
No matter how awesome the romance.
It cheapens his character. Happy romance endings are great, for other characters. Not cap. His ending was character destroying and missed the whole point of him. If they wanted to write him out, he should have died. That would have been more fitting. End game ending of cap pissed me off so much I rage quit the MCU after that and never looked back. Untill I heard cap was back. Im keeping eyes out to see if they fix the mess of his endgame ending and redeem his character as a hero that never stops the good fight.
If I feel this movie fixes it I may get back in MCU. If this movie sticks to the end game ending Im not watching it and not comming back to MCU.
To each their own :P
But I want to have an open mind and like everyone, I haven’t seen the movie.
If they manage to make his inclusion an integral part of a good plot, and everything works well and does justice to the ending of endgame, then it could be good. Especially since the movie will probably deal with the consequences of his actions.
And Quake? Come on, y’all, we gotta stop with that. I thought we were past that.
Like or the audience don’t care about the new characters (and Marvel shot themselves in the foot by introducing way too many), Captain Marvel or Sam as Captain America (which Marvel never should have done)
Upon reflection, I have realized that MCU was probably always going to bring Steve back. He’s simply in a different time period, and that time period will either be threatened or the avengers will need to “go get him” both of those scenarios work in storyline without being “nostalgia bait”.
But addressing the nostalgia, I think we all need to get over that the secret wars saga was always going to feature nostalgia, the only way to incorporate the Fox purchase was going to include some nostalgia, and most importantly, Jonathan Majors getting involved with controversy and Chadwick Boseman dying really threw MCU’s 5 year plan off—and we just need to give them some breathing room to get back on track.
My predictions? The new characters we all clamor about will be in a better position after two avengers movies and the long term health of MCU could look completely different after they start announcing the X-men casting. For instance, I fully expect characters from the Thunderbolts to have key moments and Marvel will capitalize on the strong reception of that movie.
The characters being known separately, building their story/characters, _then_ bringing them together is what made it awesome.
Using the Avengers movies to establish characters? I don’t think it’s going to be effective. Too much “who the eff is this person?” factor.
The cast has only gotten bigger, and we’re out of A-listers. I agree they can highlight some newer characters and plant the seeds for future success, but it’s going to be very limited given the ensemble, AND we have to meet Doom himself. The universe has grown so large at this point it’s a gargantuan task to jam it all in. That challenge did not exist in 2012.
I've lost interest in the MCU. I'd rather watch all the old movies than see the new ones, I really was disappointed in every movie that's come out recently except thunderbolts
They tried move on and pass the torch on to new characters and it didn’t seem to work so they are back on with the classic characters.
It’s not a good outlook on the long term/longevity of the franchise.
I hope they’ve learned like they’ve claimed. We need less content. Stop trying to intro characters and story lines via D+. They tried to establish way too many characters and they ended up establishing almost none as a result.
Over-saturation, like they’ve done with Star Wars. They are killing the will to care even for diehards like us who would post on Reddit.
The reason why they are pushing and in a way rushing to these two avengers movies is so they can restart the mcu and get to start fresh with the inclusion of the fantastic four and xmen which they couldn't use before.
After secret wars, we'll get a more fresh and complete marvel universe with all of these different characters we didn't get before.
If anything, the longevity of the franchise is the best its ever looked.
I mean, I will watch the movie of course. But I’m skeptical.
His arc ended so good. His and Tony’s ended as it should.
I feel like it’s a desperate reach by the MCU to try and get people in to see
If they are fully bringing him back to be the leader of the avengerz moving forwards, that's lame, give the opportunity to other people, pass the baton already (we symbolically did that on Endgame even)
I’m mostly bored of nostalgia. I need more than that.
And Mackey just ain’t leading man material and would to see him forced to the “the guy” in these films. It’d be painful. I have zero interest in his avengers wannabes.
Concerning Captain Marvel and Monica Rambeau, I think we haven’t seen the full cast yet. Rambeau was literally in the X-Lab with Beast. Let’s wait and see before being concerned.
- a coherent story line
- the full A-team, and not just that - an A-team that still feels fresh
It’s slopped together for a number of reasons, and it feels that way too. We’ll see the result, but just seems like we’re real close to a point where all we’re left with is fan service.
Im happy to see RDJ back as well, he is the MCU.
The lack of females is not concerning, its a buisness move. The female led movies did not sell, men watch these movies exponentially more than women. Disney wants to turn a profit and get back to the DNA that made the infinity saga a hit.
I'm already tired of the nostalgia and skeptical of Doomsday, so I found the Steve-focused teaser a bit desperate.
But fine, I'm happy to see more of Steve.
Listen, Sam is cool. But it’s like Terry McGinnis in DC. Regardless who else wears the mantle, forever and always THE Batman is Bruce Wayne. Just like THE Cap is Steve and THE Black Panther is T’Challa
Call it desperate are whatever you want. To set up and be in Secret Wars, to have the X-Men we’ve known for decades, along with all the Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the 616 characters, this was necessary
I want Evans, RDJ, Tobey, Hugh, Stewart, McKellan, etc. all on screen together same as I’ve wanted for 20+ years. Nothing changed and this is the last chance. Bring it on, include the new characters to pass the torch, then we can move on from the old guard
He should be there and I'm glad he is.
Marvel are obviously trying to bring back the fans and casuals they’ve lost, but I don’t think this is going to get them back, certainly not on mass. What they need to realise is there’re never going to repeat the success of Endgame and the built up to it.
Anyhow, that’s why I feel indifferent as I don’t think they’re doing it for great reasons. I’m not against more Steve, I’ll enjoy it, I love him, his arc, story, and I felt like we had good closure on that story.
I’m also concerned that they’re reshooting parts of the film - bringing Chris back feels like a late edition - and what that may mean for the quality of the script and final output. I’m sure the F4 and maybe Thunderbolts were meant to be anchoring it, but it looks like they’re falling back on the OGs.
RDJ as Doom is another story. Could go either way.
Feige had to make the call to bring Evans back with RDJ & Russos already on board.
Saying Sam is Captain America now is fine (I like Sam as a version of Cap), but he will never replace Steve. Like Yelena can be Black Widow, but she'll never replace Natasha. That's just how it is.
On a personal level, none of the newer MCU characters will ever hold a place in the hearts of the fans like the original Avengers. These are our heroes. Too many fans see Sam, Yelena, Shuri, Riri, Tatiana, Kate, etc.. as nothing but replacements for the original Avengers. How could they not? The MCU kind of set them up that way. You don't just slot them in and expect people to click with them.
Then you have Thor, Captain Marvel and Dr. Strange that feel a little unfinished with their plotlines. I think they did Wanda and Quicksilver dirty but thats a whole different discussion.
Shang-Chi and the Eternals are the only ones (imo at least) that don't feel like replacements, yet fall a little short on support for their characters.
Long story short, the MCU was built on the foundation of the Avengers. Endgame was the pinnacle and it all came crashing down afterwards and we all know it. Trying to build something up without the Avengers after that was a fools errands. I believe they see that now.
Just couldn't sell people on other heroes as the main draw after Endgame. Even with the knowledge that these other heroes would get their big show, it just didn't land the same. Fewer people cared.
We need Steve. Marvel knows it. Lets just enjoy it.
In Steve's first six years as Captain America he had 5 crossover films and 1 solo film.
In Sam Wilson's' first six years as Captain America he has had 1 solo film and no crossover films.
Let's be real. It's obvious why people think Steve is so integral to the MCU and Sam isn't. And it goes back to the studio.
I loved the original Avengers and I have missed them so I am stoked about this. Just waiting for ScarJo to show up too!