My Doomsday theory

This is a moment with multiple time branches.

On an alternate branch of time: Instead of when Tony actually discovers Bucky kills his parents, he finds out immediately. I’m saying December 17th, 1991. And that full collapse we see in Winter Soldier is what drives him.

Tony solves time travel in End Game. He uses Hank Pym’s tech to help him time travel, Thor’s magic, creates his mask out of Captain’s shield… etc.

Let’s talk about it….

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ShakeCompetitive91542025-12-24 20:08

Howard Stark had a secret son with **Cynthia Von Doom .**

Notoriously_So2025-12-24 20:18

When Howard was talking to Tony Stark in Endgame, he was actually talking about his *other* son: Doctor Doom.

ShakeCompetitive91542025-12-24 20:35

Yeah thats what I think. Plus Howard was shown to be a womanizer and playboy in both , the comics and captain carter series. So that might help establish the idea.

Powersoutdotcom2025-12-24 20:40

"Let's give him a sick-ass name like Doctor Doom"

True story.

CrucialElement2025-12-24 22:28

Lol, AS IF. You cant birth a child that's already a doctor EEDJIT. Just name the baby Doom

ShawshankHarper2025-12-24 20:45

Arno Stark?

neodraykl2025-12-24 21:03

In the comics, Tony is NOT Howard's son. He's adopted, and is the child of a SHIELD agent and a Hydra double agent.

What if, instead of being adopted by a rich American, that baby was left in an orphanage in Eastern Europe, say Sokovia. That child ran away and was raised by Romani, grew up to liberate Sokovia and rename the country its pre Soviet name, Latveria.

What if Tony Stark is actually just a variant of DOOM that got spoiled by American excess and failed to reach his real potential. While Tony was killing millions with his WMDs, Victor was saving millions in his home nation.

ShakeCompetitive91542025-12-24 21:09

I agree. The whole Tony-Arno thing is more probable to being adapted to Tony-Doom. However, I don't think Russos will be that direct to a comic adaptation and just copy paste it with a different name. I believe they are gonna do something unexpected , yet believable (or I hope so)

GoAgainKid2025-12-24 23:17

It will relate to Tony’s snap and Cap thinking he could retire and live a peaceful life. It’s an Endgame sequel.

WooSaw822025-12-25 02:46

The reason old Cap didn’t spill the beans about what he did while returning the stones after being asked by Wilson was because it has something to do with F4, Doom, and possibly He Who Remains, and doing so would have a negative impact on that earth/universe.

OvenBlaked2025-12-25 04:29

I agree it can be he’s old enough to not say shit about the timeline and figures all of it will work out without mentioning it to them anyway. Can also recon good reason why he gives the shield to Falcon being new cap cuz he prob saw him doing something amazing in secret wars/doomsday.

WooSaw822025-12-25 05:10

I think I like the idea that old cap in endgame has seen it all go down, and knows the outcome. It almost seems too easy, since he literally would have the answeee to everything in the event something challenging arises, but I think Roger’s is honest enough that he will never let those secrets go, and keep them to himself. I’m also interested to see where he and Peggy’s offspring comes into play. Not sure what year today’s new trailer took place (his shirt almost looked like they were in the 60s or 70s, making the baby approximately the same age as stark, which is kind of interesting)

Another interesting thing to note is that Roger’s has a triumph motorcycle, which has disc brakes - a feature that wasn’t introduced until the 70s. I can’t really think about how this might come into play, but I think it might be significant.

Exciting_Memory98372025-12-24 21:16

Kang changed Dr doom by having him be adopted by the Starks as an infant in 616 universe. Tony from 616 is a Victor variant set up by HWR to avoid Doom’s rise

tharkus_2025-12-24 21:18

That’s been my buddy’s theory for a while and we go back and forth cause I didn’t fully agree. His reasoning that Tony in our timeline is the doom variant is because Tony looks surprised by what Howard says about his wife expecting. I don’t know if I fully agree I always just saw it like oh shit that’s me he’s talking about , time travel is crazy kinda thing. I guess I could see it happening.

I was assuming RDJ was just playing victor but with a bunch of prosthetics like Colin in penguin. He always seemed to have really short hair and no facial hair during filming and I figure maybe that’s to make all the make up easier to apply.

chazzer20mystic2025-12-24 21:50

You know I just heard that point the other day about the convo with Howard in Endgame and I really find it compelling evidence. I thought it was so strange that Tony would go to a specific date and then be surprised that his mom was pregnant. That should have been obvious to him if this was within a 9 month window of his birth.

He does really look in the elevator like he is surprised and then does math in his head that doesn't add up. The last little turn of his head almost seems to me like he counted in his head for two seconds and the timeline didn't fit. like "9 months before is... huh. She shouldn't be pregnant with me yet?" And then just had no time to pull on that thread at all before meeting his end. Maybe I am reading into it too much too, but that scene really swayed me to the idea tbh.

Edit: just rewatched it and after he looks confused he asks "How far along is she..?" Which also strikes me as him reacting to the timeline not lining up in his head.

abetterroadahead2025-12-25 00:15

Of course this is a thread they put in Endgame on purpose. After all Russo’s left a lot of areas to build new things in. Why would he be so confused there? He was super confident on that time frame too. It was very interesting indeed.

Can’t wait I’m stoked!

chazzer20mystic2025-12-25 00:20

Yeah, it's hard to believe Tony would go to where his Dad works in a specific year and not passively be aware his mom would be pregnant, right? Or at least it wouldn't stun and confuse him like that if it was the right time period for it. Maybe they didn't mean for it to specifically be Doom. It could have just as well been a nod to Arno Stark, but it's definitely a nod to something.

jeridmcintyre2025-12-24 23:00

I’m thinking this very thing, and that by staying with Peggy, Steve might of created a branch where Tony wasn’t adopted by the starks. That could even be the way it happens in the FAntastic 4 universe and that’s why doom comes to the sacred timeline

CeruleanEidolon2025-12-25 02:05

This is the version of events I'm betting they go with. Tony was always supposed to be the 616's Victor von Doom, but something happened to his real parents and the Starks adopted him, changing his destiny.

andthenisaidsurprise2025-12-24 20:11

The winter soldier kidnapped the infant son of Steve Rogers whom the Starks were babysitting and takes him back to Eastern Europe.

Busy-Winter-18972025-12-24 20:29

Dang, I kind of hope this is it because this is the only Tony theory I actually like. But it probably won’t be.

zombifiednation2025-12-24 22:04

That Tony is actually the son of Steve Roger's and in a parallel timeline he becomes Doom instead of Stark?

Halfie4Life2025-12-24 20:38

I still think doom switches with tony. Why pit so much energy into making a complex set up? Plus its better that he was tony. Lost. And was taken over by dr. Doom. Cuz what if thats how we can get him back?

Real_Walk53842025-12-24 20:43

The most Doom thing would just be "Doom looks like Tony to manipulate that Avengers" and by the end he won't be RDJ.

legion_XXX2025-12-24 20:58

He will be Anthony Russo playing another gay character.

radar_3d2025-12-24 21:03

So you're saying he's the dude playin' the dude, disguised as another dude?

WurdaMouth2025-12-24 21:36

Tropic Thunder is now MCU canon confirmed.

CrucialElement2025-12-24 22:26

Love and tropic thunder

DeuceDropper4202025-12-25 00:36

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brkrpaunch2025-12-24 23:16

You’re saying we might see Scorcher in Doomsday??!

InternetDad2025-12-24 23:27

A Tugg Speedman cameo would be delightful

PosterMcPoster2025-12-24 23:46

Bruh. Simple jack.

Dunge0nMast0r2025-12-25 07:52

Never go the full despot.

Mc-Lovin-812025-12-25 08:27

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LaVidaYokel2025-12-25 20:46

Here we go again … *again*!

DisposableSaviour2025-12-25 01:23

This is Mr. Furious erasure.

AdministrativeRub9522025-12-25 04:56

Only if we get Lex Grossman

PolarizingKabal2025-12-25 05:40

If that was the case, then they should have just recast Kang with RDJ doing black face. Instead of switching to Doom.

Would have made way more sense with Kang being a Tony Stark variant.

StealUrCookies2025-12-25 08:16

LOL 🤣

Gorguf622025-12-24 22:23

Dudeception.

Seymour_Scagnetti2025-12-24 22:29

I don’t have anything clever to reply other than to say this is fucking fantastic and almost made me choke on my Cobb salad.

Remote-Moon2025-12-24 22:31

Doom turns out looking like Tom Cruise confirmed!

mattarei2025-12-24 23:47

I mean, if it's revealed that Doom is someone else other than RDJ, it'd have to be a pretty big face/name to make the reveal land

SippinOnHatorade2025-12-25 02:27

Plot twist: it’s just Julian McMahon, and no one in the audience remembers him

Edit: nvm he’s no longer with us. F in chat

Krankreng2025-12-25 03:10

RIP McMahon

SippinOnHatorade2025-12-25 03:19

Fuck I didn’t even know he died this year

sigmashead2025-12-25 03:38

It should be Colin Farrell to undo fantastic beasts crime against humanity

Redspacewolf2025-12-24 23:48

Mission impossible style, just pulls off a perfect RDJ mask under his other mask.

Crimkam2025-12-24 23:24

Kirk Lazarus cast to replace Jonathan Majors as Kang lol

runnfly2025-12-24 23:41

In film product placement of Booty Sweat

jojopojo642025-12-25 13:09

The MCU equivalent of Big Belly Burger. I'm down with that.

Crimkam2025-12-25 15:35

I need to see Sam Wilson reluctantly endorsing Booty Sweat, the official Energy Drink of The Avengers

BIGsLazyEye2025-12-24 23:56

Everybody knows, you never go full Tony.

mrbadassmofo2025-12-25 00:28

You mah-mah-mah make me happy.

capnsmirks2025-12-25 00:43

MY FUCKIN GUY! 😂. Merry X-Mas

radar_3d2025-12-25 00:57

You too!

Apyan2025-12-25 01:57

If he ends up being a black guy disguised as RDJ, I'd say the MCU is redeemed of all its sins.

swentech2025-12-25 04:15

Never go full Doom.

Wars4w2025-12-25 04:47

"I know who I am. I'm the DOOM playin' the DOOM, disguised as another DOOM!"

OpheliaLives72025-12-25 10:02

Doombots all the way down

dhlthecobra2025-12-25 06:54

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WhyWasIShadowBanned_2025-12-25 10:04

So like Thawne in The Flash.

yujuismypuppy2025-12-25 10:40

I've read enough. Cast Tom Cavanagh for Dr Doom.

ZealandAquarius2025-12-24 21:07

I’m just assuming that the RDJ Doom, is just a Doombot and we find that out at the end of Doomsday leading into the next film where we meet the real Doom (no bases for it just wild 2am thinking)

HEIR_JORDAN2025-12-24 21:19

RDJ will play doom in 4 separate instances.

TheSpeckledSir2025-12-24 22:08

Any idea what that would imply?

Id guess Doomsday and Secret Wars, maybe a F4 sequel, but that leaves one more.

Any other characters Doom has such a strong association with outside Reed?

bugs_reddit2025-12-24 22:13

In this case, my money would be on a brand new day post credit scene.

It’s the only one that makes sense to me.

TheSpeckledSir2025-12-24 22:20

Yeah, I think that makes sense too.

HEIR_JORDAN2025-12-24 22:24

Yes he is confirmed for Doomsday and Secret Wars.
And most likely two cameos in post credit scenes or another movie

DrAlright2025-12-24 23:35

Until he’s 90

ProfessorBeer2025-12-24 23:31

I’ve said it since he was announced that - while very unlikely - RDJ being announced as Doom accomplishes the benefit of the hype of announcing his return without spoiling Tony’s return, AND without spoiling the actual Doom casting.

Again, I think it’s very unlikely, but a bait and switch would be a no brainer from a PR perspective as Doom is probably the most important casting in Marvel history, and an on-screen ideal is way better than a tabloid reveal.

theotherstarboard2025-12-25 00:09

"I'm just an iron man."

*RDJoombot explodes*

SippinOnHatorade2025-12-25 02:30

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macs1822025-12-25 14:27

That makes sense, probably Doom using some magic to fuck with the Avengers on a deeper level and only at the end Strange realizes this just to have actual Doom show up.

Iconclast12025-12-24 21:35

just to bring back RDJ for no reason but moneey

haha

DespicableSchmee2025-12-24 21:45

Reverse Flash twist of season 1 CW The Flash

nicebrah2025-12-24 22:13

RDJ is rumored to be getting $100M for Doomsday and Secret Wars. So when you say “by the end he won’t be RDJ”, I hope it’s the VERY end. And they reveal his true face like a Scooby Doo moment.

Comedian702025-12-25 01:18

Better: At the very end, the real Victor Von shows up. And says a line like "No one has seen my true face for X years."

The best possible thing the writers could do is keep Doom's real face an absolute mystery in exactly the way it was totally unknown in the comics for what... 40 years or so? Hell. I don't even know if his true face has ever been revealed, and I was there reading Byrne's run on FF back in the 80's when a partial origin story and shadowed versions of his pre-scars face were shown.

Doom is best when he has that mystery behind him. Reed knows what he looked like before, but nobody knows what he looks like now and that's just exactly the way it should be.

Neveronlyadream2025-12-25 05:13

What? Doom's real face has been revealed and it was revealed almost immediately. It's no secret. The first time it's seen is in FF #23 in 1964.

Depending on the writer, he's just either a normal looking brunette dude with a tiny scar, horribly scarred, or a dude with a tiny scar who then horribly scarred himself by placing his searing hot mask onto his face.

Doom doesn't take the mask off out of vanity, not out of mystery. We've known what he looks like for the last 61 years.

olmnknt2025-12-24 22:26

Still hope for Mads Mikkelsen then?

rThundrbolt2025-12-24 23:57

Kaecilius was really Doom all along

geoduude922025-12-25 00:07

Doom has come to bargain

TheNerdBurglar2025-12-24 22:30

This has always been my theory. Sure, you don’t cast RDJ for only one or two movies as the such a big character. But what if that character isn’t RDJ anymore? I think they’re pulling a fast one on us, and it will be no deeper of an in universe explanation other than “he used his face to manipulate everyone”. That would be a very Doom thing to do, and wouldn’t ruin the history of Iron Man.

drumondo2025-12-24 23:11

...or the other way around, and that's how we end up with a new Iron Man actor post Doomsday?

Professor_Dubs2025-12-24 23:14

Yeah they aren’t bringing back RDJ for a copout like that. Anyone that believes that is insane.

Usual-Caregiver55892025-12-24 23:21

Tony is actually Darren/MODOK, having been ejected from the Quantum Realm with a scarred face to show for it, wearing a Scooby Doo-style Tony mask. The final scene is Steve standing over Tony tied to a chair, removing the mask while saying "Let's see who he really is." only to reveal Darren. Rocket shouts "Ruh roh Reve!" Credits roll.

spidervenom6192025-12-24 23:37

Again I would bet money that Doom has a Doombot of his real body somewhere on the 616/199999 Timeline just chilling and when RDJ's Doom just eventually kicked the bucket that Doom is going to activated and become the next Doom.

It's wild that so many Movie Films simply don't know how Doom works, He's has backup plans for his backup plans, Dude like's Marvel's version of William Afton from FNAf, he always come back.

robodrew2025-12-24 23:39

Well, the most Doom thing would be that he never takes off the mask. And if for some reason he does, he's unrecognizable underneath the mask due to scarring and is simply Doom. I'm still hoping that he's not any kind of Tony Stark variant in any way.

Barthez_Battalion2025-12-24 23:43

I hope at the end of the movie it's revealed Robert Doom Jr. is a Doombot and the real Doom is revealed to be Cillian Murphy.

Petrichorphan2025-12-25 15:39

I could see Cillian Murphy or Nicolaj Coster-Waldeau absolutely nailing it.

1nexo2025-12-25 00:03

Howard Stark is DOOM.

maverickassembled2025-12-25 00:38

This sounds like the latest season of gen v lol.. except it was >!the other way around where the initial decoy face of the villain was someone unfamiliar and the real face being the familiar one!<

onqqq22025-12-25 00:49

Maybe if Tony goes crazy and kills Captain America in Civil War in an alternate timeline he goes down the path where he befriends Doom and learns from him, Avengers kill Doom and Tony takes up the mantle?

3rlk0nig2025-12-25 00:56

Reading a list of Doom's abilities, I discovered he can transfer his mind in someone else's body with a simple visual contact.

It could be a good twist and I don't think it's his most known power

DoNotLookUp32025-12-25 01:02

I hope not, I feel like some sort of well written tie to RDJ's Tony would be way better than a PSYCH which would really look like RDJ was just announced for the marketing.

Which like, it was, but if he pulls off a transformational Doom role as THE Doctor Doom and then also has a connection to Tony that's not just "he's a Tony variant", it will feel way better and be more interesting than just "he wanted to fool the Avengers". The Avengers should be ultra-vigilant, would be annoying to see none of them notice the subtle differences and be essentially incompetent until the reveal.

Plus I think they said only RDJ could play Doom so it like be extra weird if it was just a fake out.

nova-prime-enjoyer2025-12-25 02:56

He might do the technique Wanda does in Multiverse of Madness, just find another (or god forbid wake up the corpse of) Tony Stark and puppeteer that

killerjags2025-12-25 04:16

It turns out Trevor Slattery was Dr Doom all along

Deadggie2025-12-25 06:02

Or Doom body swapped a Stark variant to accomplish the same thing. I really dont think they are gonna be like "oh its actually an evil tony that became Doom"

TheNamesClove2025-12-25 06:39

This is my only hope for them not ruining Doom.

ihs25ysf2025-12-24 20:46

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AmaterasuWolf212025-12-25 13:41

MCU fans never beating the "Can't write" allegations

CootahBrown2025-12-24 20:49

Who the hell is Tony?

asspastass2025-12-24 20:53

How would he find out immediately?

I thought only Hydra and The Winter Soldier knew about it for awhile after it happened.

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asspastass2025-12-24 20:59

You made the theory and ended your post with 'Lets talk about it...'

This is a theory so the movie may never bring this up or make it a plot point, so saying 'thats what the movie is for' is confusing to me asking clarification on your theory.

Cartindale_Cargo2025-12-24 20:59

That sounds so bad. Don't go into movie writing

DefendsTheDownvoted2025-12-24 21:35

Luckily, this isn't a pitch meeting, and they're in a fan sub. Where you're *supposed to* post these things just because you like talking about it.

FDVP2025-12-24 21:19

Cap wouldn’t let it happen, even if might screw up the future, that’s what makes him Cap. He is gonna alter something with the Starks/Tony.

Exzqairi2025-12-24 21:56

How is Cap not going to let it happen when he is in the ice at this point?

Gbbq832025-12-24 21:21

I did wonder if Steve being alive in the 50s would mean he could prevent Bucky from killing Tony’s parents and resulting in Tony remaining a spoiled brat who could go down the super villain route

julianom72025-12-24 22:38

Holy shit

jahnesaisquoi2025-12-24 23:18

this was exactly what i’ve been guessing will happen, tony will no longer have the loss of his parents to be a defining point in his life, and it branches off to him becoming doom

Agathario-10312025-12-25 04:45

How would this work though? Tony was born in 1970 but know from F4 that Doom is native to Earth-828 and is already a full-grown adult there by the late 60s.

Ken_Field2025-12-25 06:04

I'm assuming the 1960s of 828 doesn't necessarily align with the 1960s of our world. We don't have the timing I guess but we do see the F4 ship coming to 616 in the Thunderbolts post-credit scene so it's possible the calendar years of each universe don't necessarily align.

Upset_whale_4922025-12-25 12:32

That's detail there. How does F4 come from the 60s, and get to our universe in 2029*??? Then this theory could work flawlessly

EastHillWill2025-12-24 23:54

Damn dude, that’s good and extremely plausible. Wonder how doom being in the FF universe would tie in

DoNotLookUp32025-12-25 01:16

I love this but they said that he's not playing a Tony variant. He is playing Victor Von Doom specifically.

UndeniableMaroon2025-12-25 02:24

Then they answer with the "he has always been Doom. Tony is the variant. Tony Stark is a Doom variant."

DoNotLookUp32025-12-25 03:35

Yes honestly I like that better! The only snag is the What If? Iron Man, but I'm sure they could explain that away or retcon.

CeruleanEidolon2025-12-25 02:09

Maybe Steve prevented some upheaval in the region of the world where Latveria is, and as a result Victor von Doom's parents didn't die and the Starks never adopted the baby and raise him as Tony Stark. So he became who he was always meant to be, Victor von Doom.

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Kthron2025-12-24 21:40

I just hope that when they finally defeat Doom at the end, it just turns out to be a doom bot.

Fun-Soup-15232025-12-24 23:42

This is what I'm hoping for. Then Christoph Waltz is revealed as Doom!

geoduude922025-12-25 00:14

Post credit scene!

MooKids2025-12-25 02:16

Thats a bingo!

bakeranders2025-12-25 04:01

Doom wins in Doomsday and posssibly survives Secret Wars….just a guess

iced_gold2025-12-25 10:44

Help me out. I get the film is Doomsday and Dr Doom is supposed to be the big bad.

But in the Robert Downey Jr unveiling as Doom, the tagline was: *New mask, same task*.

Hasn't the task for RDJ in the marvel cinematic universe always been saving the world?

Is the first half of the movie the Avengers and New Avengerz thinking they're going to fight him but Doom is doing things they don't understand to help them fight something else?

Affectionate-Boot-122025-12-24 21:52

After seeing the Steve Rogers trailer my theory is Dr Doom kidnaps the avengers children. Haven’t seen the new FF but the end credits was Doom and their new child.

fromcj2025-12-24 22:13

All moments are moments with multiple time branches. That’s how the multiverse works.

EcksFountain1322025-12-24 22:21

Hmmm yes I don't know about this. Howard surviving creates a lot of issues not least: Tony not becoming Iron Man and just remaining the spoiled son of an arms dealer trying to impress his dad.

Also Howard was heavily complicit in some very dubious stuff. He recruited Zola, worked closely with him at Camp LeHigh, and presumably created the AI version. Who's to say Howard didn't \*know\* HYDRA infiltrated SHIELD or know Bucky was still alive?

Plus the potential impact of Tony having a "quasi fascistic" father and even AI Zola around for longer. I'd say this scenarion just makes him a villian.

rsn32025-12-24 22:25

Mine is that the Tony Stark that we know is a variant or the version that turned out good. Doom is the actual 'Tony', and arguably the better version.

CrucialElement2025-12-24 22:29

Please explain more homie, how would young ass Tony Stark diverge at that point? I genuinely wana know, it seems implausible but I love this stuff and wana suspend my disbelief

cheezyfilms2025-12-24 22:30

He's not Tony.

Nxn212025-12-24 22:40

My theory is that Tony was adopted by the Starks in the main timeline and he wasn't in Doom's timeline.

LyonsKing12_2025-12-24 22:49

sleep paralysis Buckey

jzak222025-12-24 23:35

Oh shit that’s right!

hoofcake2025-12-24 23:40

booo

beelzebub20992025-12-24 23:43

I don't admit it out loud that often, but I hate the idea of Doom being Tony Stark. At best I can accept is he just looking like Tony for some reason that can be explained in the movie but he is still Victor.

Him being just a twisted Tony Stark is lazy as fuck.

mrmossycowboy2025-12-24 23:43

Thought it was Peter Steele at first

myrevolver2025-12-24 23:43

A) Bucky killed Tony’s parents while the whole family was in Latveria for a business trip and so Tony was adopted and raised by a Latverian Romani family.

Or

B) 616 Tony was adopted like his comic book counterpart but instead of being from Bulgaria it was Latveria, but in his universe the he wasn’t adopted and grew up in Latveria.

From either of these points you can basically have Doom’s comic backstory

PommesMayo2025-12-24 23:59

I don't know if it's just me but i don't want any more time line stuff and multiverse stuff. I know it has to be one of those but please end it. Kill it with fire and go back to telling a story with stakes that can't be deus ex machina'ed by time travel or multiple dimensions

CharmyFrog2025-12-25 00:00

I think Cap will lose his super soldier serum and get old and then go back to the OG timeline at the end of Endgame.

uncreativemind20992025-12-25 00:13

Absolute trash 🚮

Buntalufigus882025-12-25 00:16

Captain America has a kid. What do you mean its this point? What's to say his kid doesn't grow up to look exactly like Tony. What if Tony's really mom is Peggy? Its all about that baby.

slash2die2025-12-25 00:20

My theory is mordo learns about the multiverse & time travel and hates the avengers specially tony stark when they manipulate time/reality. So he travels across the multiverse searching for the perfect "tony stark" to teach him mystical arts and influencing him about being the "sorcerer supreme" who must protect the flow of time/realty across the multiverse.

He learns about F4 traveling to an alternate timeline and follows them. He learns about the incursion and realizes the one who caused it is from that alternate universe, he'll also learn how his alternate counterpart manipulates time/reality to resurrect those who die in snap making him furious. He will then meet with mordo and ask him why he didn't tell him what his counterpart did. Mordo will just say, "that's why I chose you tony, to meet their dooms day".

MrKevora2025-12-25 00:36

Or RDJ is simply Victor von Doom from another universe - there were always Doctor Dooms who looked like RDJ, until He Who Remains detected him - much like his own variants - as a threat and manipulated the flow of time into the Sacred Timeline, thereby eradicating all variants of Doom…. all except one: Tony Stark. He wasn’t born at the same time by the same parents, he wasn’t even Latverian and instead American, but he looked like Doom and possessed many of his traits and skills, such as extraordinary intelligence and ingenuity. Tony Stark was sort of an “echo” of Doom, the 616 timeline’s attempt to birth another Doom variant, with He Who Remains allowing it, making sure that 616 would have its anchor being and self-sacrificing hero, the same way not every Kang variant was born at the same time to the same parents across timelines. Now, with the multiverse branching out of control, there is finally another Dr. Doom, this time without Kang or his variants there to stop him.

relativlysmart2025-12-25 00:48

If Doom is Tony at all I'll be so disappointed. That's the laziest thing they could do.

FreddyPlayz2025-12-25 01:32

They’ve already said he’s not Tony (even if he was this as an awful idea)

CeruleanEidolon2025-12-25 02:01

In isolation, this would be fine. But I really think Marvel also wants to respect the comic origins of Doom.

Therefore, I predict that RDJ's character will be for all intents and purposes the Victor von Doom of his universe. His backstory will be the same as in the comics. The twist will be that our Tony Stark was meant to become Doom as well, but a twist of fate resulted in him being adopted as an infant by the Starks, who never told him where he really came from.