So I re watched Phase 4.5.6
I recently read that Phases 4, 5, and 6 aren’t very connected, but I disagree. As someone who has watched all the phases, I think these three are actually more interconnected than the original three in many ways.
At first, I thought there wasn’t a single constant throughline across these phases, unlike the original trilogy, which clearly revolved around the Infinity Stones. However, after rewatching them, I realized there is a clear throughline: children.
One of the main things these phases focus on is parenthood and legacy characters having children, protecting them, losing them, or grappling with the responsibility that comes with them.
so I believe doom will be collecting these kids
so here my list so far.
Franklin Richards.
love Thorsdottir.
Tosiant/T challa jr.
Morgan stark .
Billy and Tommy maximoff .
skar Banner.
( this is all 616)
we might have an older
Laura Kinney.
Mayday Parker.
Cassie lang
kid Loki
Ritu William
Kamala Kahn
Hawkeye
so what do you think
At first, I thought there wasn’t a single constant throughline across these phases, unlike the original trilogy, which clearly revolved around the Infinity Stones. However, after rewatching them, I realized there is a clear throughline: children.
One of the main things these phases focus on is parenthood and legacy characters having children, protecting them, losing them, or grappling with the responsibility that comes with them.
so I believe doom will be collecting these kids
so here my list so far.
Franklin Richards.
love Thorsdottir.
Tosiant/T challa jr.
Morgan stark .
Billy and Tommy maximoff .
skar Banner.
( this is all 616)
we might have an older
Laura Kinney.
Mayday Parker.
Cassie lang
kid Loki
Ritu William
Kamala Kahn
Hawkeye
so what do you think
Commentaires
Outside of the existence of the Multiverse, there really isn't any build up at all for Doomsday.
This shit feels like the biggest waste of time ever.
If you mean "the development of meaningful character and story arcs that are building up to a resolution with clear emotional and physical stakes", then no the Multiverse Saga doesn't have that at all.
Firstly, they built up to the first Avensgrd. Thor, Steve, Tony, Banmer all had origin movies. Natasha and Clint were introduced and used in movies prior to Avenegrs as well from what I remember ( or was IM2 after Avenger?)
Anyways. Then each of these movies introduced an Infinity Stone. GotG1 gave us Thanos - unlike now where we don’t even know who Doom is and why he looks like Tony from our universe.
An entire movie was made to break up the Avengers, making a reason why they were separated in IW.
Heroes weren’t just introduced and forgotten about (for the most part).
Now - Things are convoluted. There’s no central plot. There’s no characters we should be following. There’s no buildup. We don’t even have an Avengers team yet the next time we see Sam he’ll have a team?
They went quantity over quality and just dumped as many heroes and characters as possible in the last few phases.
In no way is it more connected now.
I get that they were originally building to Kang and had to pivot cause Majors is a shithead but geez
And “trailer views” aren’t a measure of success. Just because you watch a trailer doesn’t mean you’re going to see the movie.
Infinity Saga could pave over the cracks with a good overarching story with clear protagonists, a clear antagonist, clear developed story and character arcs and a rising/falling action. That's *why* people liked those movies; without that story, its just "a bunch of movies, some of which are good and some bad" which is not very interesting.
The phase boundaries seem random in this saga *because this saga wasn't even supposed to HAVE "phases".*
Sometimes I feel like you guys live in an entirely different reality because where did you get all that and why did 30 people upvote this?
> Feige said they weren't gonna do phases anymore, & instead just focus on different story tracks within the overall saga.
[And now here’s Kevin Feige announcing Phase Four at SDCC 2019, just days after the Infinity Saga ended with the release of Far From Home](https://youtu.be/dsizAtYbEIU)
I don’t really understand what you get out of lying about this and trying to mislead people but it’s really strange
"At first, I thought there wasn’t a single constant throughline across these phases, unlike the original trilogy, which clearly revolved around the Infinity Stones. However, after rewatching them, I realized there is a clear throughline: children."
Well yes, the Infinity Stones have a purpose... for Thanos to do his snap, which is what everyone knew before IW came out.
"One of the main things these phases focus on is parenthood and legacy characters having children, protecting them, losing them, or grappling with the responsibility that comes with them.
so I believe doom will be collecting these kids"
So what about collecting the kids then? What will that accomplish? How can OP draw conclusions without providing their reasoning behind it other than "kids are in these phases". With that said, how does that make Phase 4 5 6 "connected"?
We didn’t know squat about a snap until IW.
Not sure everyone knew that. Just wanted to say that. Have a nice day
Franklin and love is very powerful
Edited to add: They did 23 films in 11 years for phases one to three. They have done, and are planning to finish, 17 films in 6 years for phases four to six, but there are TV projects that factor into the latter phases that the Infinity Saga lacked.
They **DID** say that, but people ignored them.
Aside from Thunderbolts which came in a bit too late and The Marvels (which is hit or miss for people)
Cap Brave New World should have had Bucky be more than a cameo.
Secret invasion should have been different.
I think a lot of the negativity with the shows also happen because they didn’t stick the landing. People remember how poor the ending was and now suddenly it’s the worst thing.
With the first wave of shows, should have had a come together. Maybe Kamala and Kate Bishop team up. Maybe Spidey show up in something in NY?
However, life happened (Covid, Chadwick’s death, writers strike, Major’s arrest, Actors strike, etc) so plans changed & projects were delayed.
But in the end of the day the overall product that the MCU was Just wasnt that good. We have a Mixed bag of movies, some good some Bad, same with the D+ shows. It Just wasnt good enough to keep people hooked
In the Multiverse Saga however, they were now doing a whole lot more, so i can see them going, Okay we have the main narrative here, but lets also take the opportunity to tell some isolated side-stories and explore other corners of the MCU, much like the comics, sometimes the comics will build a a big event happening that year or the following year, but in addition we also have some side-stories that are either barely tied or not tied at all to the big event going on
What sucks is that we DID sort of get this pulled off (for the most part) quite a bit better in the Infinity Saga with the movies doing the Infinity Stones storyline, but then having the Defenders and AoS shows off doing their own side stories. It's just that for better or worse those weren't and/or still aren't 100% solidified as canon so they're not considered part of the actual Infinity Saga.
Phase 4 and 5 were the attempt to build a city from that tower. Instead of continuing to grow up, they grew out from the base of the tower in different directions. Connected, but not always building on top of each other. This would result in projects that felt different from each other, with disconnected characters, diverse vibes, and various scopes.
I think that would have worked, but audiences now expected THE TOWER to continue, and when we didn't get an Avegers movie at the end of Phase 4, it didn't give the entire era the emotional connection that fans wanted. There were plenty of amazing shows and movies, but they produced so much content that was either unrelated to the rest of the story or appealed to only a narrow part of the audience, that the entire Phase was seen as lesser.
I think Phase 5 was a partial attempt to fix this, but they were mostly still on the Phase 4 track, and as you said, the events of the last 7 years derailed a lot of long term plans.
For what it’s worth, I’m glad I’m not the only one who has thought about this. I’ve been thinking about this possibility since I first started to hear rumors about the Doomsday teaser o(-(
The one thing I would have done differently with *The Multiverse Saga* is to have had more universes. Incursions are supposed to be this huge threat, but really, what universes will I be sad about if they're gone?
*No Way Home* added the Sony live action Spider-Verses to the MCU.
*Deadpool & Wolverine* added the Fox mutant universe(s).
*The Marvels* stranded Monica in an X-Men universe (likely a variant of the Fox one, given Beast is voiced by Kelsey Grammer).
*Multiverse of Madness* introduced a load of universes that we've not really revisited.
*Loki* introduced many universes, initially pruning them and then finally allowing them to grow instead.
*Fantastic Four: First Steps* is what more of the saga should have been. Here are some heroes in a universe all of their own. Movies like this should have been in phases four and five.
At least half of the movies in those phases should have had the villains working for Kang, either knowingly or unknowingly, and half of them should have been set in other universes.
Disney/Marvel decided to go big and introduced so many characters that they narratively spread themselves thin. I'm not checked out of the MCU, but it doesn't have the same "must see" appeal that is did through *Endgame*.
Maybe *Doomsday* will change my mind.
Also, I’m glad that they didn’t just do another Thanos build up. If they did, I guarantee people would be complaining that they repeated the same formula. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Phase Two introduced the stones, their origins, ones we’ve already met, and reconfirmed Thanos as a cosmic threat.
Phase 3 had each move directly lead into the next, building up to the epic conclusion.
Phase 4 had a mismatch of heroes, some known, some introduced, each (outside of Strange) in their own unconnected story.
Phase Five continued with far more unconnected stories and characters and dropped Strange from the mix.
Phase Six, so far introduced another unconnected team.
You can say that kids are the link, but then explain Shang-Chi, Widow, Eternals, The Marvels, Brave New World, The Thunderbolts…. No kids in any and each unconnected to one another.
If we include the tv shows, it only gets worse, not better.
The Marvels showed the X-Men universe, but, so far 2+ years later hasn’t been shown to lead anywhere.
Kamala was 16 in her show and in the film, would likely be an adult now.
Without seeing Doomsday, it’s impossible to say BNW has led to anything and I’m confused how Sam leading the team was a lead into Thunderbolts (outside of the largely irrelevant legal threat at the end).
Only 2 of the 5 members of Thunderbolts had their childhoods stolen from them (Yelena and Ghost).
In Phase 3, the films all lead directly into one another, not Infinity War…so, even if they all turn out leading into Doomsday, it’s not comparable.
Acting like Kamala isn't one of the young avengers because the actress has aged between movies is just nonsense.
Sam's team will be IN doomsday, so therefore his idea to put the team together before doomsday is a lead-in.
Stop being obtuse.
The OP was talking about children being taken, not the YA.
Every movie in Phase 3 led to another movie in Phase 3, not straight to Infinity War…which made the entire Phase connected- something not seen in Phases 4 or 5.