What are some scenes/moments you'd love to see in Doomsday and Secret Wars?
Could be anything - a specific plot development, a meeting between certain characters, the return of an iconic character, the debut of a new character, or pretty much anything?
**Here's my wishlist:**
-Laura wearing a female version of the blue-and-yellow costume and becoming Wolverine.
-Logan in the brown-and-tan Wolverine suit.
-Cyclops leading the X-men into battle, and Wolverine and Cyclops having a relationship of mutual respect, with Logan deferring to Scott's leadership.
-Ian McKellan's Magneto getting to interact with variants of the MCU Maximoff twins, who're established as mutants/his children all along (something that had been erased due to Kang/Doom's earlier tampering).
-Peter getting the Venom symbiote (the bit left behind by Eddie in the MCU).
-Steve and Sam fighting together as equals, and as Captain Americas.
-Rhodey in an Iron Man suit, calling himself Iron Man.
-The X-men meeting the FF, and Xavier identifying Franklin as a powerful mutant.
-A meeting between Doom (RDJ), Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) and Captain America (Chris Evans).
-T'Challa Jr. being aged up due to timey-wimeyness and becoming Black Panther, fighting alongside his aunt Shuri.
-The daughter of Tobey's Peter and Dunst's MJ, Mayday Parker, showing up as Spider-Girl.
-A rebooted 616 reality at the end of Secret Wars, which reveals that the FF have always been part of this world, hints at an established Avengers, and features a cameo at the very end of the rebooted MCU X-men.
**Here's my wishlist:**
-Laura wearing a female version of the blue-and-yellow costume and becoming Wolverine.
-Logan in the brown-and-tan Wolverine suit.
-Cyclops leading the X-men into battle, and Wolverine and Cyclops having a relationship of mutual respect, with Logan deferring to Scott's leadership.
-Ian McKellan's Magneto getting to interact with variants of the MCU Maximoff twins, who're established as mutants/his children all along (something that had been erased due to Kang/Doom's earlier tampering).
-Peter getting the Venom symbiote (the bit left behind by Eddie in the MCU).
-Steve and Sam fighting together as equals, and as Captain Americas.
-Rhodey in an Iron Man suit, calling himself Iron Man.
-The X-men meeting the FF, and Xavier identifying Franklin as a powerful mutant.
-A meeting between Doom (RDJ), Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) and Captain America (Chris Evans).
-T'Challa Jr. being aged up due to timey-wimeyness and becoming Black Panther, fighting alongside his aunt Shuri.
-The daughter of Tobey's Peter and Dunst's MJ, Mayday Parker, showing up as Spider-Girl.
-A rebooted 616 reality at the end of Secret Wars, which reveals that the FF have always been part of this world, hints at an established Avengers, and features a cameo at the very end of the rebooted MCU X-men.
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Cyclops saying "To me, my X-Men" before fighting with the Avengers
Rogue steals Captain Marvel's powers
Steve Rogers and Cyclops' iteration
OG good Avengers vs OG evil Avengers
Wolverine vs Hulk
Dr. Doom rips out the skeleton of a hero in front of all the other heroes.
RDJ's Iron Man vs RDJ's Doom
I'm a bit ambivalent on the issue of RDJ appearing as Tony Stark. On the one hand, I have a hard time imagining them *not* doing it. But how can they do it in a way that's more meaningless than naked fanservice? I suppose a flashback or hologram or something?
Tony could return as an variant or Loki could take him from some timeline
I'm also 100% sure Carol Danvers is *not* going to be rebooted as Ms. Marvel. It's more likely that she just won't appear than that she gets 'demoted'.
Anna Paquin returning as Rogue is also debateable given her health issues.
In any case, Marvel can reboot Carol Danvers anyway without Rogue having to steal her powers or kill her. But I certainly don't see them engaging in some kind of mean-spirited humiliation/elimination of the character, no matter how "unloved" some may perceive her to be.
Which is not to say that we 100% *won't* get Rogue (whichever version) stealing her powers either. But it just won't be for the purpose of killing/destroying Carol Danvers so that they can get rid of the 'unpopular' MCU version.
- an adaptation of the iconic Hulk scene from the OG secret wars. I think it would be a fantastic post credit scene
It avoids all the pitfalls.
It does NOT:
Have Doom randomly be played by the Iron Man actor
Have Doom be a Tony variant
Ask future rewatches of the MCU to please pretend the Kang story never happened
Give us exactly what the marketing said it would
Having the Kang variant Iron Lad secretly pretending to be Doom gives the RDJ casting an actual in lore reason to make sense, why wouldn't Kang choose a variant of himself whose appearance would fuck with the heroes emotions? The names of Iron Man and Iron Lad are similar enough that even the GA would make the connection even if they don't fully follow the reason RDJ is playing him. It would give Marvel a chance to either wrap up the Kang storyline or finally start it. Having him playing an impostor Doom would allow Marvel to set up actual Doom as the terrifying force he should be.
I honestly can't think of another way to make the RDJ casting not ask the audience to suspend belief in some way.
Deadpool and Wolverine fighting alongside the Avengers
Reed, Beast and Shuri meet and develop the life rafts
Glimpses of Doom’s backstory via Bob’s powers
A conversation between Steve and Thor about fatherhood
Maybe a scene of Doom slaughtering the Council of Kangs
This one is a great way of doing it. Doom shows up to the Thunderbolts' Tower and it's just Bob washing dishes or something. Goes in nonchalant and shakes Bob's hand and then realizes who Bob is
Show Bucky as Captain America
Bring ScarJo back in, everyone else is there
Let Cyclops be the fucking powerhouse he is!
Let’s see a proper romance between Herc and Bobby Drake
- The Fantastic Four have a long established history with Doom as their primary villain
- A confrontational and dramatic scene between Reed and Doom
- The Thing and the Hulk fighting side by side (also each other for a bit beforehand)
- Spider-Man and Johnny Storm teaming up
- Reed meeting Tony, Hank, Strange, Namor, and Xavier
- Hank and Janet fighting in costume (probably impossible because of actor ages though)
Maybe younger Hank and Janet variants/past versions? Have stunt doubles wear the suits in action, with CGI de-ageing for when they're briefly unmasked?
I swear, it’s like when someone actually starts off reading these books people always go ahead and tell them they only watch YouTube videos.
Some of us were collecting and reading before YouTube recaps existed, you know that, right?
- Spidey and Johnny getting along well
- Hulk and Thing
- Hulk and Wolverine
- Namor/Sue/Reed
- Doom and Reed trying to out-think each other
- Loki and Thor
- Steve and Wolverine
sorry, best I can do is "Steve and Tony are fighting again, but its a Tony variant who wears a weird mask and knows magic"
She-Hulk & Deadpool doing fourth wall shenanigans.
It wouldn't make any sense for him to die in these upcoming movies. If anything, the movie will likely do a full circle thing where he sees why he should give Sam the shield and Captain America mantle
Unless the writers are silly, I don't see any reason why they would do that
Wolverine in Iron Man suit from Old Man Logan comic
I want an MCU Cyclops that’s respected like the MCU Cap. Capable, competent and as a great leader knows when to defer. Obviously to Prof. X but maybe also to Storm who should also show exemplary leadership abilities.
I really want to see powers unleashed and used how they would really be used in a life and death battle. Especially with the mutants.
We’ve never seen how badas Cyclops, Storm , Iceman, Mr. Fantastic etc. can be all out. Yet.
Yeah that would be my number one thing let him shine like he should’ve!!!
- Doctor Doom killing Mobius inside the TVA as Loki watches to mirror how Loki killed Coulson aboard the Helicarrier in the first Avengers movie.
- Bob becomes Sentry again to 1v1 Doctor Doom, all while The Void lingers in his head. The Void nearly convinces him to surrender control but Sentry promptly gets pruned and sent to the actual void.
- “To me, my X-Men!”
- Cyclops merging with the Phoenix Force.
- Sam Wilson getting a defining character moment via an act of self-sacrifice (which he survives, akin to Steve in The First Avenger).
- Andrew Garfield’s Peter Parker encountering a Spider-Woman variant of Emma Stone’s Gwen Stacy.
- Pedro Pascal’s Reed Richards encountering the Council of Reeds, with Ioan Gruffudd, Miles Teller, and John Krasinski all present.
- “That appears… untrue.”
- Reed Richards being the one responsible for defeating Doctor Doom.
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Now *this* I gotta see!
Let's throw in Alex Hyde-White as well!
We need something worse than Thanos and Loki. And multiple of them.
Would love to see Steve, Isaiah, Sam and Bucky share a scene.
In Secret Wars, I'd like to see Thanos dick waving in front of God Emperor Doom, just straight talking shit about how he was the most powerful being when he had the infinite gauntlet.
Then Doom/Stark asks, "And do you have the Infinite Gauntlet now?"
Thanos is like, "No, but I'm still Thanos. For you that's enough."
Then Doom reaches his hand in Thanos' chest and desintegrates him.
and if the reboot doesn’t come which i hope it does then i want doom to survive and continue being a villain
I'm okay with universes being destroyed as long as they're shown to be reborn in the new Multiverse at the end.
Something something 3000
It's really the only shot to have all our MCU characters, including Rogers and Tony, plus heros with staple actors from the other universes - X-men, Toby and Andrew Spider-mans (mens?), Deadpool, etc. and it all make sense. Seeing past Marvel icon actors like McKellen, Stewart, Jackman, McGuire, suit up along our favorite MCU folks is really the only thing that can top Endgame's ending.
The legacy X-Men cast in their accurate costumes having a sendoff.
A 1v1 of Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom.
Reed and Doom’s established rivalry.
Symbiote Spider-Man.
Secret Wars ending with returning characters dependent on if characters survive and actors willing to return and not recasted besides X-Men, Fantastic Four, mutants integrated into one universe, All-New All-Different.
Some great mindblowing action
Hawkeye and Black Widow meeting again..maybe all 6 OG Avengers have a no way back reunion ..
Luis summarises the entire MCU in 2 minutes..
Bucky 's redemption probably by sacrificing himself ...
If somehow they can top the civil war airport fight scenes, it will be amazing ..but with 70+ actors and all of them scene stealers, it will be tough
Unexpected entries when all hope seems lost like Thor arriving in Wakanda alongwith Rocket & Groot , Steve facing upto Thanos and his army and then the portals opening behind him with Sam's on your left ... can't forget these moments ever ...
Endgame & IW made me cry quite a bit .. just want these 2 epics to have a lot of heart ❤️
Oh also I guess Thanos getting one shot my Doom.
I'm curious to how the Thunderbolts will he involved, but I do hope their not too far sidelined. I loved their dynamic
Captain America getting a chance to shine in the spotlight for once
Dr Strange vs doom? not sure if he's actually in the film tho
for doom I hope we get to see top tier anger performance (I'm interested also to see how he's represented through Alan Silvestri's music)
Im also just excited to see the xmen in full comic-like glory
-More of the younger, newer heroes interacting and being essential to the missions at hand. The young'uns are smart in their own ways too, be nice to see them delegate.
-Don't hold back on being gutwrenching :) One thing Marvel does really well with their character work is how they process grief, and some time dedicated to that at the ending of Secret Wars would wrap it up poignantly.
there are loads of character interactions i'm looking forward to, but it's hard to wishlist all of them. Yelena and Steve would be nice, since Natasha and him had formed such a solid friendship
Camera pans from some of the Avengers shocked faces to Phil Coulson.
“Hey guys! Miss me?”
MCU's 616 already isn't its "own" thing...it shares a name with the comic-book 616 *and* Peter B Parker's earth from Spider-Verse...possibly a few others.
But retconning all of the old MCU to fit into the new, future MCU seems off.
We’re just gonna pretend mutants have been here this whole time?
I guess what you mean is that they should do a hard reboot on a totally different earth?
Well, to be honest, we just don't know how the reboot (or 'reset' as Feige calls it) will work.
But if we're going by Hickman's Secret Wars, then I feel it's likely that we're going to end up with an 'altered' 616 which now includes a few more characters. Much like how Miles Morales was 'ported over' to 616 in the comics, we'll have the Fantastic Four and X-men 'ported over' to 616 in the films. And we might also have some multiversal refugees, ala Old Man Logan in the comics (represented by Hugh Jackman's Wolverine in the films!) Of course, the degree to which all of this alters MCU continuity will be far greater than what it was in the comics.
One of the rumors going around a short while back is that Kang pruned the Sacred Timeline to excise the mutants and the FF to weaken it. And that Secret Wars will end with them being restored.
Whatever we end up with, I don't think we're getting a hard reboot that starts from scratch. If nothing else, the new FF from First Steps will 100% carry forward into the 'new' MCU. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom Holland's Spider-Man continues, unless Holland is planning to retire from the role. Also, the plot-point of adamantium being introduced to the MCU I feel is definitely going to carry forward into some Weapon X stuff, so at least that aspect of Brave New World isn't going to be erased.
My guess is we end up with a new MCU where mutants have always been part of history, though they're only really emerging in a big way now. The FF have always been around. The Avengers have always been around, and Tony and Steve are alive (with Tony having not died during Endgame). T'Challa and maybe Natasha are alive as well. The events of some, maybe most, previous movies and shows happened, but some didn't, or happened differently. There might be a few characters from the 'old' universe who serve as POV characters for the audience to help them navigate this new world.
Imagine a good storytelling picking up from the 90s where all of these characters existed, and they don’t need all of the baggage. The storytelling will just be easier and they’ll be able to not confuse new audiences.
captain hydra would have been a cool move but it's not gonna happen anymore--wanna see stuff about him returning the stones and possible incursions from that.
my running theory is still that the baby in the teaser is tony stark/victor von doom