So the theme of Doomsday has something to do with the children right?

F4 post credits scene gave us Doom interacting with Franklin.

Cap has a child as shown in the teaser.

Thor has an adopted child from Love and Thunder.

Iron Man left behind a daughter but I’m hoping Doom has no connection to Iron Man because that connection would be low effort and cheap.

Not sure if Spider-Man fits into all this because he was (imo at least) Tony’s adopted child, of sorts.

>!The Thor teaser leaks give us a prayer (?) Thor makes to Odin about his adopted daughter!< and it seems like, at least for the moment, the focus is on The Avengers’ children

>!Does that mean we might get something for Hulk’s son in the next teasers?!<

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Sharikacat2025-12-24 12:04

In Endgame, Tony was prepared to step away from the world altogether because he had a child to take care of. He was done being a hero. Let other people carry on the fight. But in the end, he realized that the very reason he wanted to stop was the exact reason he needed to suit up again. You fight like hell to create a better future for your children, even if it means risking your own life in the process. You demonstrate that making the right decision sometimes comes with a cost, but that show integrity and conviction means something.

It's easy to ask someone else to sacrifice for the cause, but it's harder when that decision hits home. Now that dilemma belongs to Steve and Thor. Just because they know the right decision to make doesn't mean it's easy to come to terms with it. It's never easy to leave your child behind and risk never coming back, even if it's to save the universe.

Hour_Affect30462025-12-25 09:21

Add on to that phase 2 or 3, I can’t remember after wrapping all of my Christmas gifts, was about the core group of heroes paying for the sins of their fathers.
Tony with Howard against Vanko, Thor against Malekith, Black Panther against Killmonger, Quill against Ego, etc. And I feel it’s what made these movies so relatable was the familial ties.
We all know what it’s like to be a child, and to turn it against our heroes children adds a layer to the millions of us who have become parents since then. I really hope you’re right because the parental audience will lock in instantly

servetheale2025-12-25 16:16

But a world without half the population would inevitably create a better future for the children.

Honest_Cheesecake6982025-12-26 02:56

Do you agree with criticism that there wasn't enough attention paid to both getting him to a place where he would just give up and retire quietly, and then going back on it? The former is basically shunted offscreen and excused via him having a daughter and the latter is covered via just seeing a photo of Spider Man. Two notable character shifts and there's not much presented in the movie to get us from one place to the other.

Still though, said dilemma you're talking about coming on those characters would be a good idea and a proper expansion of Endgame.

sanddragon9392025-12-24 14:25

There's also (possibly) X-23, who's biologically Wolverine's daughter.

T'Challa has a kid and I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up.

Maybe Sadie Sink is playing Mayday Parker?

berfthegryphon2025-12-24 16:06

>Maybe Sadie Sink is playing Mayday Parker

Tobey is pretty much confirmed to be in Doomsday right? This would make sense

monsterpoint2025-12-24 16:43

It could work, during no way home when Tobey steps over, his daughter could've crossed over on accident in a different portal and now Tobey is trying to find her but she's now in Tom's world so Tobey has to come back again to get her.

Devanino2025-12-24 19:47

Yup! The poster came out and it has both Tobey and Andrew!

Kyrpajori2025-12-24 20:24

You mean the one with basically every MCU hero? That one was fan made.

Devanino2025-12-24 20:30

Ahhhh, I got got😖

BretOne2025-12-24 22:30

I think it's more like Doom is on a multidimensional journey to collect the kids of the most important heroes.

He'd get Franklin Richards, Baby Rogers, Love Thorsdottir, Mayday Parker, Laura Kinney, etc...

FlawlessC0wboy2025-12-25 02:21

Wanda’s kids too?

BretOne2025-12-25 02:49

Sure, anybody is fair game. Skaar, T'Challa II, Kate Bishop, Stature...

literallyacactus2025-12-24 19:27

He is not

JabbasPetRancor2025-12-24 19:36

no he is not....what are you talking about?

berfthegryphon2025-12-24 21:30

I was asking a question.... I wasn't sure if I had read rumours about him being in it

JabbasPetRancor2025-12-24 22:51

there is no confirmation that Tobey is in it and highly doubt he will be. Maybe Secret Wars.

redsandsfort2025-12-24 18:19

I thought X-23 was biologically a clone?

rayburno2025-12-24 18:32

Still.

RectumConductor2025-12-24 19:12

genuinely asking, would this be considered your child genetically irl?

LeeoJohnson2025-12-24 19:44

I don't remember how Fox Marvel handled it, but X-23 was born. The doctor added Logan's DNA to her own eggs and birthed X-23. So technically, it would be his daughter.

sanddragon9392025-12-24 19:58

In the comics yes. In 'Logan' however, she's his daughter.

CaptHayfever2025-12-24 19:59

She's a clone in Logan, too, but they point out that's still a form of parenthood.

sanddragon9392025-12-24 20:28

No in Logan she's created via artificial insemination (as are all the other mutant children that Transigen experimented with).

elaithin2025-12-25 05:09

In the comics, they've now corrected this to daughter as well.

mrbaryonyx2025-12-24 20:36

I love how this theory requires the next movie to have like twelve extra cast members on top of the thirty they already announced

keeber692025-12-25 18:29

Sadie is playing Jean Gray

hawtt_hosewater2025-12-24 15:23

Seems to me like Doom is trying to get all the super children together, probably to train them to his will, and possibly to fight some kind of super threat that he does t believe he can win by himself. But that's just an 'out my butt' guess.

Finessing22025-12-25 20:00

“Collect the gifted children to train them” is literally X-Men Evolution and Hunger Games lol.

Stevenwave2025-12-24 15:31

Defs get the sense this might be the play. Could be to blackmail particular heroes into working with him. Or it's not about taking them but maybe taking DNA and using their power potential for some magic thing.

If it's something around kidnapping a bunch of kids it'll be a bit odd considering it's what Gorr did. But I dunno, maybe there's an element of a bunch of films that all end up playing a part in this. Doom somehow crafting an ultimate plan that merges pieces of things we've already seen or circled around might be a way to make a bunch of it feel connected.

I'm throwing shit at the wall here cause I'm not confident in this going as well as we hope it will.

Batmans_9th_Ab2025-12-24 16:14

I might walk out if it's a kidnapping kids plot like Gorr. The second that happens, all tension leaves the movie because nothing will happen to the kids.

BaronsDad2025-12-24 20:02

In that case, all they’d have to do to keep you in the theater is kill one of the kids.

iwasyourbestfriend2025-12-25 00:51

Make it two for good measure

NamelessGamer_12025-12-27 14:01

I'm not sure they will take such a risk but fingers crossed I guess

NamelessGamer_12025-12-27 14:02

Yeah, this is what I've been saying. I can't believe people think it's a good idea to have Doom collecting children. Thor 4 already showed how terrible that idea was. Everything would just lose stakes and seriousness

MssrSqueezy2025-12-24 15:32

Or...hear me out...it's possible many of the Avengers happen to be at a point in life where they have kids, just like most people as they progress

berfthegryphon2025-12-24 16:08

But why focus specifically on the kids in the teaser and post credit scene? It wasn't just for shits and giggles

MssrSqueezy2025-12-24 17:05

Franklin's just a plot device, and this "teaser" uses the baby to show what Steve has to leave behind for his final(?) journey, which is exactly the same trope used for Tony in Endgame

DoNotLookUp32025-12-25 06:57

I could see Franklin being important because of his immense powers and/or his connection to Reed, Doom's arch-rival.

For Cap, I think it was just showing what he has to leave behind to help out in Doomsdaya and possibly Secret Wars while also not giving anything crucial away too early like showing him with other heroes. I doubt and really hope it's not a "kidnap the kids" storyline, ugh.

ttins2026-01-20 11:34

In my view, Doom will represent the moral alternative to Tony Stark’s choice, someone who doesn’t want to sacrifice himself but wants to control everything to ensure peace, seeing Tony’s choice as admirable but ultimately inefficient. Let’s always remember that Wanda in *Age of Ultron* said, “Tony doesn’t know the difference between saving the world and destroying it.” The same will apply to Doom, but with different choices and outcomes. Doom, as Tony’s moral alter ego, could be the one who, in order to save the universe, ends up destroying it morally, because in his mind it’s the only way to save everyone. Children will be emotionally significant and, I believe, crucial for defeating Victor in *Secret Wars*, but here they will primarily serve as the motivation to bring the old heroes back into action. Heroes who will fail where Victor will succeed, laying the foundation for the *Battleworld* of *Secret Wars*. Initially, I see Victor as a self-centered, morally ambiguous ally for much of *Doomsday*, only to degenerate by the end of the movie and set up the next one.

eltrotter2025-12-24 15:47

Maybe, maybe not, but it’s an interesting observation so kudos for picking up on it!

idiotplatypus2025-12-24 15:53

I have a theory that the Wandas of the multiverse will function as the MCUs Molecule Man, and Doom will use them to destroy the multiverse

If both our theories are right, then the Secret Wars movie could also be part Children's Crusade

SlumdogSkillionaire2025-12-24 17:58

I think Loki is the Molecule Man equivalent now, but I agree about Children's Crusade being an obvious follow-up to MoM. Perhaps a Scarlet Witch is needed to help rebuild the universe?

Yoroyo2025-12-25 04:24

They have all the ingredients for children crusade and a Wanda-Doom story but I fear we won’t be seeing her, Billy or Tommy in this. Ugh.

DoNotLookUp32025-12-25 06:55

There was that Doomsday concept art that showed Wiccan with a few other heroes, but I don't know if that was real or not. Kinda hope it was because the medieval themes and locations were awesome, as was Doom's armour itself.

idiotplatypus2025-12-25 07:47

In MoM we learn that she is prophesied to either destroy or rule the multiverse

My theory is that Doom will go to every version of her in the multiverse and "detonate" her, destroying that universe, much like the Beyonders did to the Molecule Man in the comics

MCU 616 will be last because the Scarlet Witch of that universe is presumed dead and possibly missing, if we follow Children's Crusade/comic Secret Wars then Doom will brainwash her into ruling alongside him, after he uses her power to steal Lokis.

Most of the previous Avengers could die (temporarily) trying to stop him from tearing up 616 looking for her, which leaves the new Young Avengers in Secret Wars to snap Wanda out of her spell and set things right, which would coincidentally also soft reboot the universe and put in heroes like the Xmen and Fantastic 4 in the new 616

elizabethdove2025-12-25 17:57

I was wondering if they'd do a doombot Wanda, which I think they did in children's crusade? It's been ages since I've read it actually.

aft3rsvn2025-12-24 16:21

i’m convinced doom is gathering the children and bringing them to battleworld to create his own avengers that are on his side, instead of having to deal with the actual avengers

Wolf_pack122025-12-24 16:30

I agree that having doom related to iron man would be cheap. Like why not bring back a different iron man (still rdj) if that's the case as well?

jubydoo2025-12-24 18:53

It also can't just be "oh Doom looks and sounds just like our deceased friend and savior of half the universe isn't that a coincidence?" And honestly bringing back RDJ just to have zero connection between the two characters doesn't make a lot of sense to me, both from a business and a storytelling standpoint. You could have anyone play Doom, why him?

slunksoma2025-12-24 16:33

I dunno, think certainly with the Steve one that it’s just showing him living blissfully

clueless8teen2025-12-24 16:39

From Stranger Things to Doomsday, child predator villains are hot atm..

facedogg2025-12-24 18:15

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BZenMojo2025-12-24 18:20

Freddie Kruger, Jason Voorhees, Voldemort, when haven't they been?

clueless8teen2025-12-24 18:23

Now that I think about it : Gorr, Ego, a lot more were child predators

davep852025-12-26 05:49

Epstein and Trump?

Too soon?

TikkiEXX772025-12-24 22:01

Don't forget Pennywise. Still slightly traumatized from Welcome to Derry. Lol

ShadesOfTheDead2025-12-24 16:43

Hulk isn’t in the movie.

chuck3542025-12-24 16:57

Latveria will be the MCUs Epstein Island

doomsday100092025-12-24 17:03

We will find out that Dr. Doom was on Epstein's list.

PointPrimary58862025-12-24 17:08

Are people serious acting like The Young Avengers was never a concept? Or A-Next? Or The Champions? Or that 2008 animated Avengers film "Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow"?

This isn't something completely out of the ordinary for Marvel fans.

Katnamedeaster2025-12-24 17:13

There's also the possibility of kid Loki emerging somehow via this storyline as well.

DJfunkyPuddle2025-12-24 17:32

That's why Steve's motorcycle looks like it says "Trump"

BothChicken43472025-12-30 23:48

It was the Triumph logo… a very popular brand of motorcycle.

MayorMcSqueezy2025-12-24 17:38

I think they are just trying to build up the stakes. It’s one thing if your world could be coming to an end, but when it also means your child’s could come to an end, it’s a whole different sense of dread or “doom”. A lot more at stake for these characters now.

JayhawkNDN2025-12-24 17:42

Are they gonna try and do the Next Avengers animated film haha

Meme_Theory2025-12-24 19:19

>but I’m hoping Doom has no connection to Iron Man

Why just set yourself up for disappointment?

weasol122025-12-24 19:26

With the units of Young Avengers it feels like Doom is collecting the kids like Infinity Stones to create the Young Avengers as a suit of armor around the world, beholden and thankful to Doom like Ben Grimm was in the Spider-man show in the 90s during secret wars. Or maybe the kids are the motivation to get the heroes to participate in secret wars.

BarnOscarsson2025-12-24 19:28

I suspect Doomsday might be the “passing the torch” event — some/many of the OG bless the new generation and go out in a blaze of glory, that sort of thing.

TargaryenKnight2025-12-24 21:23

It might be anchor beings

Endgam2025-12-24 21:38

*What? You didn't love it when Gorr just abducted children instead of butchering gods? Let's do the same to Doctor Doom!*

Right-Team2025-12-24 21:43

Probably taking them all to Epstein Island

tru-targaryen2025-12-24 22:18

Crossing my fingers for Wiccan and Speed to show up

Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-12-24 23:56

Dooms very selective of which kids. I don’t think he would pick T’Challa II or the Barton’s because why.

Baby Rogers was supposedly never meant to be.
Love embodies a powerful cosmic entity
The Maximoffs are children of the Scarlet Witch
Franklin Richards is one of the most powerful mutant.

foxehkins2025-12-25 04:18

I was thinking last night, everyone else gets to be with their children except Tony. Could that be a driving force behind anything? Doom seeing the sacrifice Tony made and taking some sort of revenge for him? Idk

Volatiiile2025-12-25 07:08

So Vecna, Pennywise, now Doom are beefing with kids bruh come on.

PurpleScientist43122025-12-25 08:56

Dr Doom is a pedo

Advanced_Pack42412025-12-25 19:41

>Not sure if Spider-Man fits into all this because he was (imo at least) Tony’s adopted child, of sorts.

Spider-Man is not in the movie as far we know

ReddiTrawler20212025-12-26 00:05

Children seem to be a factor, yes.

TrainingSevere15942025-12-30 16:17

What about Billy Maximoff, Tommy Maximoff and Franklin?

GummyOF2026-01-05 23:04

I think it has to be at least somewhat linked, but possibly about the children who weren't meant to be there/alive? Cap changed history to have his, Love was brought back from death, Franklin was perhaps meant to be sacrificed to Galactus, Wanda's children were conjured or moved between realities, X-23 (if she's in it) went from a different reality via the void. Maybe Doom wants to reset the world to how it "should be" after the sacrifice he had to make to save his own daughter (assuming Doom is in fact Tony).

Successful_Latehit2026-01-09 05:51

I think it's a Nemesis plot.