Why haven’t Ironheart and Agatha: All Along gotten Season 2 announcements despite higher viewership than Daredevil: Born Again, which is reportedly heading toward Season 3?

Personally, I found *Daredevil: Born Again* more interesting than the other two shows, but *Ironheart* and *Agatha: All Along* reportedly pulled higher viewership numbers.

Has Marvel already deprioritized these characters due to audience reception or long-term plans, despite the higher viewership? And do you think they’ll still show up in upcoming *Avengers* movies or future MCU projects?

In my opinion, viewership for series is equivalent to box-office returns for movies. If audiences watched these shows and showed clear interest, Marvel should have prioritized second seasons for *Ironheart* and *Agatha* ahead of *Daredevil*.

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eBICgamer20102025-12-23 01:45

Uh, no Agatha is dependent on Jac Schaffer, but she doesn't do season 2. It's entirely a creative departure.

pennygirl1082025-12-23 01:51

It’s too bad because Agatha all along is a masterpiece in the magical side of the mcu and the witches in that show would thrive in a season 2 and be out of place and wilt in the pseudoscience visionquest.

KrifeH2025-12-23 04:04

the term you're looking for is scifi

New_Success27822025-12-23 01:55

Jac Schaffer has fed us so well with WandaVision and Agatha All Along. Here's hoping that VisionQuest, while given her blessing, concludes the trilogy beautifully.

Icybubba2025-12-23 02:10

It should, Terry Matalas is awesome

New_Success27822025-12-23 03:50

Judging by what has come out about the show, I am very excited. Ending the trilogy with fatherhood after the first two parts touched on motherhood is quite apropos.

Romnonaldao2025-12-23 01:46

Agatha All Along is part of a three part series of shows so it is going according to plan. The Three series are Wandavision, Agatha All Along, and VisionQuest.

Powerofx12025-12-23 04:04

And if everything goes as planned, Wiccan and Speed will appear in the Avengers movies and later in a Champions show

Afwife19922025-12-23 09:14

I hope they bring Agatha with them. I love her relationship with Billy.

IndominusTaco2025-12-23 05:12

the real question is where is moon knight

TheQuinnBee2025-12-23 05:56

I'm fairly certain we won't see him again. Despite the fact it was a great show and pulled in good viewership, Oscar Isaac is a powerhouse who has an insane work schedule. Like 2026 we are expected to see 9 projects from him. I don't think he has the availability to sign a movie contract with Marvel.

iamnotexactlywhite2025-12-23 07:13

Oscar Isaac said that he will only commit if there’s clear vision with how and when will be MK used. Marvel didn’t provide that, so he fucked off

DocklandsDodgers862025-12-23 09:09

Honestly given Marvel's track record as of late, kudos to him for not wanting to just appear in the MCU despite Moon Knight's cliffhanger.

Arunan-Aravaanan2025-12-23 20:01

There was a cliffhanger? I though that end reveal was just that, a reveal. It explained some loose ends and left the future to imagination. Like some movies do

kakarot-32025-12-23 09:20

he also said he wouldn't come back as long as disney keeps succumbing to fascism

TGrady9022025-12-23 13:11

Pretty sure he has some recent “fuck Disney” type statements and said he won’t work with them again.

TheQuinnBee2025-12-23 14:34

This isn't true. He did a What if episode last year and also is part of the spider verse as Miguel which the last installment is set to come out in 2026. While Spider verse is Sony, all merchandise belongs to Disney and they have a 2 platform distribution contract for the films. So it benefits Disney.

TGrady9022025-12-23 14:48

It is true though. Like you can google it. He said these things in September on Jimmy Kimmel.

And like you said, Sony isn’t Disney so that is irrelevant.

TheQuinnBee2025-12-23 14:53

He isn't blacklisted by Disney though. He said he is apprehensive about working with them but I don't think he has burnt that bridge in totality. There's nothing to stop him from working with them other than him. They have not made demands or a public stance against him.

And it's not irrelevant. The movie lines the pockets of Disney. He's not working with Disney assets, sure, but he is creating profit for them by participating in the film.

TGrady9022025-12-23 17:36

I don’t know man, you call your employer a facist organization and I doubt they like you much anymore.

Nscope902025-12-27 10:22

I mean, come on, how much more demanding is it for him to put out s2 as a tenth project for the year if he's already managing nine? /s

Id much rather see him go back to being Moon Knight over having a crack at a metal gear solid movie, if that ever comes to pass.

mutzilla2025-12-23 07:12

The real question is how is moon knight?

robbviously2025-12-23 07:14

I’ll do you one better. Why is Moon Knight?

Team5032026-01-12 04:25

Tell me where the girl is, or I swear to you I'm gonna French fry this little freak!

thunderouswhether2025-12-23 07:32

This. Moon Knight is my all time favorite Marvel show, loved it.

ItemHelpful67912025-12-23 21:21

Best Marvel TV show after Loki.

Teamawesome20142025-12-23 15:22

Oscar Isaac only signed on for the one season and doesn't seem interested in working with Disney anymore for a variety of reasons.

LambonaHam2025-12-23 23:05

Moon moon?

Appropriate_Music_242025-12-23 22:13

Kathryn Hahn said on a podcast that Agatha was just a one season show. There wasn’t gonna be another season.

Romnonaldao2025-12-23 22:15

I never said there was going to be one ...

The shows are a part of a series. thematically connected. not season 1/2/3 of each toher

JargonJohn2025-12-23 01:47

VisionQuest is essentially the sequel to WandaVision and Agatha All Along.

CanCalyx2025-12-23 01:49

Because Daredevil costs less to produce. That's the answer. If they wanted to make sequels to their other series, they certainly \*could,\* but Disney isn't greenlighting expensive streaming product anymore. They're getting out of that game.

EmeraldEmp2025-12-23 02:46

I thought Agatha All Along was the cheapest

Repulsive_Ease_96712025-12-23 02:55

I assume because of the cgi for the magic scenes made Agatha All Along more expensive

indeedy712025-12-23 03:13

Nope, it was mostly practical effects and was the ‘cheapest to date’ when aired (Daredevil and Ironheart could have been cheaper they aired later, but AAA was cheaper than Echo) https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/agatha-all-along-budget-marvel-brad-winderbaum-1236167398/

paintpast2025-12-23 05:43

VisionQuest is the “sequel.”

LooseSeal882025-12-23 01:50

Curious where you saw this. I'm surprised to hear that Ironheart did so well, but glad to hear it.

In terms of online engagement, it felt like Agatha and Daredevil had a lot more discussion, but I know engagement doesn't equal viewership.

eagc72025-12-23 02:11

Basically Ironheart made to the the top 10 in the Nielsen viewership chart, while Daredevil Born Again couldn't reach the top 10.

But yeah to be fair Ironheart was done in like 2 weeks, while Daredevil and Agatha ran for months, so of course they would have more discussion than Ironheart.

LooseSeal882025-12-23 02:13

Oh, right. That seems to be important context that OP missed regarding Ironheart having three episodes each week of the two weeks it would have been on the charts.

Bartman3262025-12-23 02:29

But what else was in the top 10 those weeks is important.

gutster_952025-12-23 19:38

Its always context that Brings down those comments. Ironheart didnt had strong competition and wasnt a weekly Release. Of couse people watch more hours per week than Daredevil

serial_crusher2025-12-23 02:40

Did the whole Ironheart season consistently make the top 10, or did a lot of people watch the first few episodes and taper off as they lost interest?

eagc72025-12-23 02:53

It stayed on the top 10 for the final batch of episodes. i dunno if it stayed there for the following weeks

rustybutterindia2025-12-23 05:01

I mean Ironheart aired in two weeks

HappyTurtleOwl2025-12-23 06:23

This is why I never trust stats without looking into it. Data can be manipulated like crazy, and stats can be presented to make people believe things that aren’t true.

I still can’t be convinced one was better than the other; I’m pretty sure both shows are far below the engagement they should be getting anyways, both kind of are meh, and for different reasons. This obviously means more for DD, it being a show with a base to rely on, but it’s not flattering to IH either.

SeekerVash2025-12-23 16:14

Nielson numbers are relative to what else was released in a month. They aren't representative of actual performance.

In this particular case, Ironheart had 3.99 million, Daredevil had 7.5 million.

Using Nielson's charts instead of doing the math on minutes viewed gives misleading results.

SeekerVash2025-12-23 16:12

Ironheart bombed, *really* badly.

The minutes viewed was announced early on, worked out to 3.99 million viewers in the best case.

eagc72025-12-23 01:58

One thing we have to keep in mind is that outside of Loki, all of these shows were always designed as one and done even with any cliffhangers they have they were never made with the idea of doing Season 2 but more that this plot thread will be picked up in another series or movie, even Wonder Man is being made as a one and done season.

Daredevil Born Again is the first live action show that was made with the full intent (post-overhaul that is) to run for more than one season

ColoniaCroisant2025-12-23 07:42

It was also originally two seasons and both were twice as long as season one, so you really get the feel daredevil ends on a mid season finale rather than a season finale because season 2 is gonna be the original back half of season 1

BangingBaguette2025-12-23 11:12

The first part of your comment is right but the 2nd part is a bit more complicated. Season 2 isn't necessarily the original back half of season 1, it's actually completely new.

Feige restarted production somewhere between 1-2/3 through the development of Season 1, then the new writers came in and reworked season 1, but still had to deal with a lot of the baggage. The final 2 episodes of season 1 and all of season 2 are completely new. It's why Muse is out the picture, Karen came back, Bullseye and potentially Foggy both surviving and making a return is all being tee'd up for Season 2. None of that was in the original plan. So yeah Season 2 was always greenlit, but it's under pretty different circumstances, and from what the showrunners have said we should expect something more of the quality from the final 2 episodes of Season 1 throughout the entiretly of Season 2.

I actually don't think people understand how bad the original plan for Born Again was. There was literally going to be no one left from the original cast other than Charlie and Vincent come the end of season 1.

Lord_Sylveon2025-12-23 16:44

Still can't believe they did what they did with the original cast lol. Just a wild way to open up a new season after so long

sonofaresiii2025-12-23 07:42

I feel like she hulk was built to allow for multiple seasons, they just didn't get there

RdJokr19932025-12-23 08:41

She-Hulk in itself is a comedy with no larger ties to the main saga's narrative, so they could do a season whenever with her and it'd be fine. But it is because of her overall lack of importance that they're not prioritizing a new season with her any time soon.

Daredevil is more or less a special case because people have been asking for his return for so long, and his show is more budget-friendly than the other D+ shows.

cbarks862025-12-23 20:27

I'd agree with you if Hulk didn't introduce his KID in a post credit scene during She-Hulk lol, I think that's a pretty large tie to the main saga.

Stripe-Gremlin2025-12-23 09:05

I gotta disagree there because Moon Knight and Hawkeye are both officially labelled as “season 1” and this isn’t the same situation as FAWS where it was labelled as season 1 for legal reasons

The_Razielim2025-12-23 09:56

*Hawkeye* S2 is probably DOA until they square things with Renner. I think they tried to contemplate Kate having a solo outing, but didn't feel confident in it so they just let it lie.

Stripe-Gremlin2025-12-23 09:59

Also doesn’t help that things keep happening with Renner like his accident and now the ICE controversies

The_Razielim2025-12-23 10:03

Was the accident before or after they tried to get him to come back for pennies?

Didn't know about an ICE thing, last I remember hearing anything about him was some allegations from (depending who you ask) a coworker/ex-gf/affair partner? I'm sure I have some details off there.

robodrew2025-12-23 17:13

It's not that he's involved with ICE or anything its that his ex-girlfriend who is accusing him of harassment and abuse said that he threatened to call ICE on her. As of this moment nothing is corroborated or investigated. The only recent statements have come from both of their representatives.

eagc72025-12-23 10:08

That was well after the fact and plans can 100% change, especially now they are open to doing more seasons.

Lets take Wonder Man, that is designed as a one and done season like the previous pre-Daredevil shows, but Brad Winderbaum did said they will take a good look at how it does to see if maybe they could make it into a multi-season story

BangingBaguette2025-12-23 11:03

>One thing we have to keep in mind is that outside of Loki, all of these shows were always designed as one and done

This only comes to make more sense when you kinda realise that most of the shows we got were likely concepted as movies first. Shows like Moon Knight, FATWS, Secret Invasion, Ms Marvel etc are all very clearly 2 hour movies stretched out into an 8 episode format. The way the episode lengths are all over the place, the final episodes are routinely underwhelming cause they're just the final 20 mins of a movie stretched into 30-40 mins, the way they all tread water throughout episodes 4-6 etc.

It's largely an issue with Phase 4 shows. Something like Daredevil is very clearly developed as a TV show first because it's literally the sequel series to a TV show, and regardless of the quality of Born Again vs the original Netflix show, it doesn't fall into the trap many other MCU shows do. Each episode (besides the bottle episode in the bank) have plot relevance, the final episode sticks the landing, the episode lengths are all pretty uniform cause they were written and produced to be that length, there's clear character arcs throughout etc.

Flying_Mohawk2772025-12-23 02:00

DD is more popular than the others… plus a lot easier to use in the MCU universe… especially vs Agatha.

So-_-It-_-Goes2025-12-23 02:04

Where are you getting these viewership number opinions

I enjoyed it well enough, but I can’t imagine iron heart had great numbers

Live_Answer_38752025-12-23 02:04

Pretty simple. Daredevil is widely recognized and loved. Iron heart is neither.

HelmhammerChris2025-12-23 02:22

I watched AAA and DD but had no interest in IH. I’d never heard of the character before.

MasterRPG792025-12-23 05:29

So you didn’t watched Wakanda Forever

Ranos1312025-12-23 02:06

Agatha All Along is basically season 2 of WandaVision or a sequel, whichever you prefer. Seasons 3 of the series (or the sequel to AAA) is Vision Quest. So that’s why we aren’t getting a season 2.

Ironheart is listed as a miniseries rather than a TV series so it was likely only intended to be what we saw. She’s probably headed to the big screen again or maybe a joint series with other characters.

As for Daredevil, it was always planned to be more than one season. So that’s why it’s getting a second.

eagc72025-12-23 02:14

Yeah Ironheart was always intended as a one off. as with the exception of Loki none of these Disney+ shows were written with Season 2 in mind (even those that ended on a big cliffhanger), Daredevil is the first one that is being developed with multiple seasons in mind. (Wonder Man is also a renmant of their one shot season era). as Brad Winderbaum who leads Marvel TV said that before Daredevil the idea was always that this show would introduce the character and they'll go off to other projects.

FewWatermelonlesson02025-12-23 02:07

They’ve signaled going forward the plan is fewer expensive shows “event” shows and more comparatively cheap ones that can run for multiple seasons. That’s also why Moon Knight and She-Hulk season 2 are probably not happening

What’s more likely is they just continue Ironheart and Wiccan’s stories in the Young Avengers/Champions project that’s been teased forever, as a single show with a higher budget is probably more reasonable than continuing to do a bunch of different projects that require huge budgets.

Delicious-Explorer582025-12-23 02:34

That Young Avengers/Champions project ain’t happening.

FewWatermelonlesson02025-12-23 02:37

Given they’re about to introduce Speed in the Vision show I very much doubt that.

Nubian_hurricane72025-12-23 08:07

The Young Avengers going to be older than the OG Avengers when they first formed at this rate

Indana452025-12-23 02:08

I feel like we have to take the TV-MA rating into effect when talking about viewership. It's an unfair comparison to compare to Ironheart and Agatha All Along. It really needs to be compared to other TV-MA shows

eagc72025-12-23 02:17

We also have to remember that there is also the issue that Daredevil is a sequel to a show that came out 10 years ago and there is a huge portion of MCU fans that never watched the Defenders Saga because at the time they weren't gonna crossover with the films or we're told by others that they weren't "canon", so now that Marvel has officially recognized the Defenders saga is canon and this follows up on that, i have no doubt there will be people intimitaded about starting Born Again blind (no pun intended)

MuNansen2025-12-23 02:13

I feel like Riri and Agatha will continue to weave in and out of the larger MCU. Where as with Daredevil, the cameos are very fun and appreciated, the series kind of operates best on its own through-line. I think they just have different audiences and destinies.

Forsaken_Tip_5962025-12-23 02:20

Agatha All Along was apart of a mini saga of:

WandaVision

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Agatha All Along

VisionQuest

It seems like the WandaVision storyline will continue in Avengers: Secret Wars with Paul Bettany semingly confirming he will be filming next year.

Now IronHeart was apart of a planned mini-saga of:

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Iron-Heart

Secret Invasion

Armor Wars

Now nobody knows if Riri’s Story will continue after these next 2 avengers movies. From my knowledge Armor Wars was supposed to have both Rhodey & Riri as the 2 main stars but after Secret Invasion flopped it killed that entire storyline.

waitforit552025-12-23 02:21

Who is asking for season two of ironheart before other projects?

AKluthe2025-12-23 02:25

Not all shows are designed to be ongoing. Agatha All Along ended. It's already a sort of a sequel to Wandavision.

Daredevil is part of their pivot to making ongoing shows. It's significantly cheaper to make than the limited series.

Admirable-Reaction712025-12-23 02:25

How would an AAA season 2 even work though? Any continuation of that show would make Billy the main character. Might as well just make a new whole title.

havocxrush2025-12-23 02:26

Agatha All Along - they already said it doesn't work that way. It's a trilogy, yes. But it's Wandavision, Agatha All Along, VisionQuest.

Ironheart - I hope so. Loved it

ubutterscotchpine2025-12-23 02:26

As others have said, Agatha is a sequel in and of itself and will be getting the final part of the trilogy in VisionQuest.

Delicious-Explorer582025-12-23 02:32

Ironheart had a different release schedule than Born Again. Based on the released numbers, it appears that a lot of people waited until the second week to binge the entire series all at once.

Daredevil was mostly released on a weekly basis, meaning people watched one episode each week (sometimes two). Ironheart only cracked the top 10 once, and it was due to people watching all six episodes at once, resulting in more viewed minutes.

Overall, Ironheart wasn’t well received by general audiences and viewership wasn’t great. It’s unlikely that Marvel will do another season or even use the character again (at least not in a major role).

EmeraldEmp2025-12-23 02:48

Ironheart was actually loved by audiences. It got review bombed like every POC and woman-led project.

Delicious-Explorer582025-12-23 02:59

No, general audiences didn’t have a positive reaction to the show.

Yes, psychos and weirdos review-bombed it. But that doesn’t mean that people outside of the McU subreddit even cared about it, let alone loved it.

Repulsive_Season_9082025-12-23 07:24

Funny how WandaVision wasn't review bombed.

The--Incident2025-12-23 07:36

I am sure some people loved it. But the show was not well received with low viewership. Gotta get out of a marvel sub and face the fact that it was a flop with the general public.

TrueLegateDamar2025-12-23 08:02

Gotta love how whenever such a project does well in the reviews, it proves the chuds are a powerless minority but when it has bad reviews, the chuds are numerous and organized enough to bomb it.

BatmanForever232025-12-23 10:56

I didn't review bomb it, but I certainly didn't love it either - where do I fit into your equation?

SirFlibble2025-12-23 02:33

A lot of the Marvel shows were greenlit when Disney wanted streaming content. Since then Marvel has pulled back on content. This year was mostly a cleaning out of older shows they had on the shelf.

Marvel have said they won't do more than 3 movies and 2 shows a year. Right now those shows are Daredevil and VIsionquest. I don't think they've announced anything else post 2026 though.

Jenkes_of_Wolverton2025-12-23 06:29

They essentially need to get consecutive box office hits to be in a position to fund the next few projects. They saw a flurry of underperforming releases throughout the past three years and had to revise the strategy accordingly. If the Disney empire gets a two billion dollar win from Avatar3, it might give a little more trickling down to the MCU perhaps. If not, then they will be stuck with the budgets already established and backed up by the streaming revenue.

SirFlibble2025-12-23 06:56

Also the world has changed in the last 4 years. Box office returns are generally down across the board.

It takes time for studios to pivot but IMO it's mostly a budget thing. Not every movie needs a $200M budget. Thunderbolts for example could have been a big hit if it was a $100M movie, and quite frankly I'm not sure why it wasn't.

EDPZ2025-12-23 02:48

Daredevil is simply a Marvel A lister. His show could underperform and he's still way more likely to get more content produced vs someone like Ironheart or Agatha. His brand simply doesn't hinge on the reception of one show the way the others do.

Jet-Let46062025-12-23 02:55

In Agatha's case, Jac Scaffer has said she doesn't do season 2 on her shows. This was mentioned by Patty Lupone in interviews.

In any case, AAA was basically S2 of WV and the upcoming Vision Quest mini series (which Jac is executive producing) is basically S3 of WV.

bloodyell762025-12-23 02:56

I suspect Ironheart’s problem is that it had been shelved for so long. The whole thing feels like their attitude was “well, we filmed it, I guess we should release it.” As opposed to actually supporting it. Combine that with deciding to limit how many shows are being made and you have no announcement.

For me I wish they’d be a bit less rigid on how many series they make a year. If there’s three good ideas instead of two, make them. If there’s no good ideas then make none.

RedHawk_942025-12-23 02:57

Most marvel tv shows were limited series, they only need 1 season to move the overall narrative of the MCU forward. Don't think of them as tv shows that require multiple seasons, think of them as movies that move the plot

thainfamouzjay2025-12-23 03:34

Agatha is just season 2 of wandavision. Season 3 is coming out with the name vision quest. Ironheart never got the love from the studio. It was filmed and then they kept pushing back the release. They were forced to release it so they did it all at once and with no promotion. It will be quickly forgotten

Poku1152025-12-23 03:41

Where are you getting that info from?

eagc72025-12-23 04:55

The Nielsen charts, they are who tell us what was the most viewed show and so on and they have reported on the viewing numbers

Poku1152025-12-23 04:59

So are you taking into account the competition in that top?

Because Disney + reported thunderbolts being on top 10 and nielsen reported their debut was under even quantumania's one.

Almost like anything can make it to top 10 if your useebase isnt watching anything. Or has become smaller and smaller with time

eagc72025-12-23 09:56

Now do note i am not the OP of the thread, but based on what i looked on, it is when you taken into account the competition from other streamers based on what i saw.

Now i am a bit more cautious with the Ironheart result, i would like to see some more.

But with Agatha it is 100% confirmed that it opened bigger than Daredevil
https://variety.com/2025/tv/ratings/daredevil-born-again-viewership-disney-plus-1236333591/

Due-Yoghurt-79172025-12-23 05:00

Have you read literally anything about the intentions of each story? Lolll

Lou-Shelton-Pappy-002025-12-23 05:24

Sometimes, the story has simply been told.

Armandonerd2025-12-23 05:29

They don't need them, especially Agatha, Ironheart we'll see her in the young avengers show or movie and daredevil is much more popular.

BanishedMermaid2025-12-23 05:41

When did we get born Again season 2?

eagc72025-12-23 09:59

In 3 months

OneRacoonShort2025-12-23 06:08

Ironheart was bad, having a struggling hero who is out there committing crimes and is an accomplice to murder is a bad story. The actress was great, but was she a criminal in the comics? Was there a greater good being served by her criminal activity? Agatha had some mystery and faux redemption and I’d argue that the witch nerds are more forgiving of an ambiguously motivated “hero” than the regular superhero gang.

shotbydarrell2025-12-23 07:00

The biggest misconception about Ironheart is that she’s a hero. The series wasn’t your standard hero’s journey. She’s just a tech genius that just kept making bad decision after bad decision because of her own emotions and fears. Still a very good series. I just hope they continue her story about her being an agent of mephisto.

thrownawaynodoxx2025-12-23 15:43

I feel like your criticism could be applied to Black Widow, Loki, Deadpool, and Hulk. Are those also bad stories just because the hero is morally ambiguous?

kennyofthegulch2025-12-23 06:17

Agatha All Along was never intended to have a second season, and Ironheart is far more expensive and time-consuming to make.

implodingnerd2025-12-23 06:35

Most of the MCU shows were made to only be single seasons. Daredevil and Loki weren't. I feel any show that gets announced in the future will have future seasons planned in mind for it.

BradyPhoenix2025-12-23 07:05

They ordered 18 episodes for Daredevil right from the start, with it meant to be one season but eventually divided into 2.

Aglet_Green2025-12-23 07:31

As others have pointed out, "VisionQuest" is the sequel to "WandaVision" and "Agatha All Along," so your question doesn't make much sense.

However, this question does get asked about many Disney+ shows, and the answer is always the same: someone like you needs to go to Kevin Feige with a finished polished multi-episode script for a show such as IronHeart Season 2, and if your writing is good enough, (that is: you're already in the WGA or a similar union) then they start looking for a showrunner.

You'd be surprised how many Marvel Disney+ shows were only made because someone with vision and passion and talent stepped forward and asked Kevin Feige if they could do it. And you'd be surprised how many are languishing because no one (of that class of people with both accredited talent and passion) is stepping forward to write them.

Johnny02302025-12-23 08:48

Daredevil did very well, it recovered in the weeks following the end because many were still watching the first season. And in any case, it has different production elements. Agatha, in any case, is part of a trilogy.

poopeyethe2025-12-23 09:04

I don’t understand how daredevil got lower viewership than these two, wasn’t it the most hyped and most demanded show?

eagc72025-12-23 10:05

I think we underestimated how many people actually saw the original series.

As something i have brought up that we have to keep in mind is a huge majority of MCU fans didn't started watching the shows until WandaVision, because lets not forget the other shows canon status was more dubious with some even saying that they weren't canon and that WandaVision was the first real canon MCU series

So alot of people ended up skipping on the Netflix era MCU series cause there would be no crossovers or were under the belief they were set in an alternate universe, then Marvel confirms that yes the Netflix shows are 100% canon and Daredevil BA continues where the original series left off

So now alot of people that started watching MCU shows with WandaVision, are likely to feel intimitated about watching Born Again because they need to catch up on the first 3 seasons, plus Defenders and maybe the other shows. so either they decided to skip it since they don't wanna watch multiple seasons or decided to skip on the show premiere so that they can catch up first on the original and then check BA once fully caught up

Galderick_Wolf2025-12-23 09:15

Daredevil got lower rate because of their TV rate is TV-MA while Agatha and Ironheart are TV-14.

miggy3722025-12-23 09:20

**Spoiler alert**. Did no one watch the end of Agatha all along? She’s dead. There can’t be a season 2. She’s dead.

AAA and WandaVision are my favorite marvel projects and I’d love more from them. I’m assuming VisionQuest will give me something. But I feel like the people demanding a season 2 to AAA must have not watched the show. It was a one off. She’s dead.

This is like someone asking why there isn’t a sequel to Romeo and Juliet since the play was so popular…They’re dead.

wauwy2025-12-24 18:55

Macbeth would sell SO many more action figures than Romeo and Juliet. Dare I say the Macbeth + claymore basic figure (deluxe edition includes Lady Macbeth, Macbeth's severed head, and a tube of blood to drizzle over everything) would sell more units, and be more in demand, than G1 Optimus Prime.

He is also dead, after wildin' out hard, but I could absolutely see Marvel making a sequel called something incredibly dumb like "MACBETH 2: MACDUFF." Or something basically that. "THE LEGEND OF MACBETH: MACDUFF." And the trilogy will end with Fleance.

They have to. The original just made too much freaking money. So, so much money.

"HAMLET" grossed less than The Marvels

DanFarrell982025-12-23 09:21

Maybe because the story is finished or will be continued in other series or films? Not everything has to go on and on until you're sick of it

NewTribalChief2025-12-23 09:28

I'm hoping they're saving Ironheart season 2 for SDCC but it wouldn't surprise me with Marvel's new direction post-strike that they play it safe and have Strange Academy be the psuedo Ironheart szn 2 then announce Dr Strange 3

pigeonwiggle2025-12-23 09:49

Daredevil has a proven track record as a multi-season series. there's nowhere for Daredevil to go but to another season. he's not a team guy, he's all about ongoing solo adventures. season 4 was a revival and did really well so it's getting a season 5.

Ironheart seems to be leading into 1 of 2 projects. either the arrival of the new antagonist brings the character into the macabre side of the MCU with projects like Blade, Moon Knight, and Werewolf by Night - or more likely - the Younger side of the MCU with Kamala, Kate, Cassie, and America Chavez in a "young avengers" or "champions" project.

Agatha also is clearly leading towards other projects. Agatha herself was hardly a character that needed her own show, but it worked well! but it was very much a 1 and done story. it showcased all aspects of the character. her past present and future are all represented. there's not a lot more that could be done at this point.

Turbulent-Spirit-5682025-12-23 10:48

Agatha All Along was always going to get only one season as it is part of the Wandavision trilogy (Wandavision, Agatha All Along, Vision Quest). Iron Heart had a very mixed reception when it came out so they wouldn't be confident enough to greenlight a season two (kinda like The Acolyte)

coolpomech2025-12-23 11:32

Simple answer it’s probably the cheapest out of all those shows to make

thebeardtles2025-12-23 12:32

Really? Ironheart was a dump fire show

Hippo_in_limbo2025-12-23 13:41

I thought both iron heart and agatha all along was better than DDBA.

The only reason daredevil is being carried by it's Netflix clout. Even though it's Disney counterpart was awful.

ericbkillmonger2025-12-25 16:25

Agreed there

worldwarIIIsoon2025-12-23 14:48

Probably because ironheart is shit. Agatha All Along is good, but likely doesn't need a season 2 as the whole point of it was a billy reveal.

tannoy19872025-12-23 15:22

Maybe because they were not received well by the majority of viewers

BigMomFriendEnergy2025-12-23 16:49

I honestly don't think we've seen the last of Agatha, she'll be in VisionQuest with Billy and I do think she, Billy, Vision, and Tommy will be in Secret Wars. But here, let's talk about Agatha S2:

It all comes back to sexism and Kevin Feige not understanding how to capitalize on the magical part of the MCU in any way, shape, or form, with a side of "and then Aubrey Plaza's husband died, Trump's election scared Disney about having another show about all-powerful witch lesbians, and the LA fires messed with the industry at a key moment." Now, if you look at it with an ice-cold eye, a low-cost (for Marvel) series starring universally beloved Kathryn Hahn breaking out like 2012 Loki needs 2 more seasons and a tie-in move with Elizabeth Olsen. Kathryn Hahn beat an incel review bomb and a bunch of "who asked for this?" despite the part where Agatha was HUGE in WandaVision and Hahn + the Frozen songwriters gave Marvel a hit song. If you pay attention to more female-centered pop culture, Agatha hit far, far harder than Daredevil in pop culture. The Ballad was remixed with a bunch of things. Golden Globe noms and that whole "wait, it's in SERIES, not LIMITED?" bit also made an impact.

So I do think they were strongly thinking of going with an AAA S2 - possibly a prequel so they could capitalize on the chemistry between Hahn and Plaza and the 300+ years of Agatha history instead of messing with the main timeline - and then we were at the height of Trumpist power and suddenly the idea of a big gay Marvel villain show seemed risky. Now, Hahn is clearly still game so who knows what happens next, and god knows the comics have adapted Agatha the character to reflect that popularity. But yeah, Marvel didn't know what to do with a gay female villain hitting harder than all their preferred heroes and couldn't just run with it.

pinguin_skipper2025-12-23 17:50

Are we accusing Disney of making reasonable decisions now?

Tipop2025-12-24 04:23

IronHeart is setting up the character for the movies (likely as a redeemable villain).

Agatha is season two of a three-season series.