So are ALL Peter Parkers forgotten?

Having just rewatched No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness left me with questions I was too busy laughing or crying through to ask on my first second or third watch ;)
So we know Strange's spells can reach across universes since it pulled very select variants that we've seen before through to 616...
Then the spell to close it all up and put a bow on it was everyone forgot who Peter Parker was....
Does that mean Toby McGuire Spidey (Spidey 2) returns home isn't married to MJ if he was and has to somehow reexplain to her who he was. Does Andrew Garfield Spidey (Spidey 3) have to....oh wait he's got nobody (poor Spidey 3...Does Miles Morales forget who Peter is Does Gwen not become a spider character because she didn't see Peter die or does she just not know why she's Spider Gwen?
Basically does this effect all Peter Parkers and if yay or nay why?
It would be funny if Spidey 2 comes back for a movie because he wants to know why no one knows who he is lol

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Wtygrrr2025-12-21 16:35

Hey kid, it ain’t that kind of movie.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:20

LoL

phenomenomnom2025-12-21 17:39

Nah, this really is that kind of movie. The whole franchise invites that kind of speculative fun.

Love Harrison though.

Wtygrrr2025-12-21 19:20

No, it’s not. If you start nitpicking logic, the entire MCU falls apart. No Way Home has a ton of plot holes, and you’re better off not looking at them directly.

phenomenomnom2025-12-21 19:28

It's a matter of scale. If you split hairs, it falls apart, yes. The loose-limbed fantasy sci fi in the MCU is more guidelines and writers' prompts than actual rules, *per se.*

That's true of any film, even well-considered sci fi like *Primer* or *Looper,* if you get granular enough.

But trying to anticipate how the writers might employ the leeway that the MCU's conceits give them is definitely part of the fun.

ssjskwash2025-12-21 16:35

Why would it apply across the multiverse?

Epic_J23382025-12-21 16:51

I do think it makes sense as the spell was bringing in everyone who knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man from every world and the spell making everyone forget would stop them from coming

ssjskwash2025-12-21 17:07

The original spell was to have everyone in the MCU forget who Peter Parker was *except May, MJ, etc. It got broken becaus eof Peter's caveats. So the fix to that spell was just for the MCU. The only reason other universes were involved was because of the broken spell. You fix the spell you fix the multiversal breach and don't have to change anything in the other universes

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:17

Yes but if the spell was fractured and effected other universes to begin with then it could still have been an imperfect fix. We are acting like Strange is a perfect spellcaster when obviously he is not. It probably isn't written that way but it would be funny.
Also if it only effects 616 then Spidey 2 an 3 and Osborn and Doc Oc and Lizard and Electro still know Peter Parker is Spidey in the 616 universe. We'll in the others too.

ssjskwash2025-12-21 17:33

I get that you think its a funny scenario but thats not how it was written

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:42

As far as how it effects the other two universes in particular it's kind of written open ended but if they ever follow up with Spidey 2 and 3 I guess we will see.
I mean writing wise was there a reason for the vulture to be sent to another universe? ;)
Also which Peter did Venom know?

ssjskwash2025-12-21 17:59

>I mean writing wise was there a reason for the vulture to be sent to another universe?

No. The sonyverse movies do a lot to contradict things that happens in the MCU. Why are you still winking at me?

>Also which Peter did Venom know?

Venom said their hive mind works across the multiverse. That specific venom didnt meet a Spider-Man as far as we've seen

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-27 21:42

If it works across the multiverse then it makes sense him saying "This guy" and licking the TV which is made no sense to be showing 616 news on but eh....because a symbiote from another part of the multiverse did interact with a Spidey. I forgot that that was said until you mentioned it and at least that makes sense now why their was a familiarity when Venom sees Spidey on the news or sees Peter.

ssjskwash2025-12-27 21:48

>which is made no sense to be showing 616 news on

That was when they were in the 616 though. Not their original universe

Kindly_Ratio98572025-12-21 18:47

That wouldn’t make any sense at all because we see other Spider-Men across other media haven’t had their lives ruined out of the blue from a spell in another universe

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:14

Why would a spell designed only to effect the mind effect physical realities? Magic that's why ;)

ssjskwash2025-12-21 17:33

Why are you winking at me?

"That spell travels the borders of known and unknown realities"

That's the way Wong described the Runes of Kof kol.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:38

So the spell to "fix" it probably also spans the realities and since we 'know precious little about the multiverse" and Wong eludes to the idea that this kind of magic can be unpredictable i prefer to believe that Strange's fix may not be 100% perfect whether I'm wrong or right in that assumption. I've said it before I doubt they will go that way storyline though now I have a vision of Saidie Sink showing up as Mayday saying she doesn't remember her dad and she needs to find out why lol

ssjskwash2025-12-21 17:39

That's cool man. Headcanon is fun. Not trying to yuck your yum here. Just providing context. Plus you said how would it affect physical realities when it was specifically described as something that does so

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:47

No I get you. I also gave context to how several times in the MCU Strange, Wong. Others have said the multiverse is something of which we know little about so it stands to reason from a purely logical standpoint that he would not be able to come up with a 100% perfect spell to fix something that he knows little about.
That's why I think it's possible not that they intended it that way which I'm fairly sure they fidnt.

Markus28222025-12-22 05:52

The original did. Why is this any different?

ssjskwash2025-12-22 06:02

The original tore holes in their universe. As a result of that, other universes started bleeding in. It didnt directly do anything with other universes

Markus28222025-12-22 11:51

Yes it did tear a hole in the universe. Holes cannot be undone.

If I pour acid on something it’s gonna make holes in it. If I then pour water on that same thing, it’s still going to have water flow through and affect things on the other side of those holes.

ssjskwash2025-12-22 11:58

If I tear pizza dough I can pinch it back together

Markus28222025-12-22 12:03

The universe isn’t pizza dough. Hence why the multiverse opened up this saga and couldn’t be closed.

ssjskwash2025-12-22 12:05

Ok and acid doesnt burn a hole through the universe. I thought we were doing examples of holes. Yours can't be fixed. Mine can.

Markus28222025-12-22 12:11

It was an analogy. “Acid” is the spell at the beginning of no way home, water is the spell at the end. I thought that was obvious. I explained why your analogy doesn’t work (the multiverse has stayed open the whole time and can’t be closed) you just seem to not understand mine.

ssjskwash2025-12-22 12:12

Mine was an analogy, too. I thought that was obvious

Markus28222025-12-22 12:12

>I explained why your analogy doesn’t work (the multiverse has stayed open the whole time and can’t be closed) you just seem to not understand mine.

robmillhouse2025-12-23 02:47

Yeah, I can’t even begin to image how much that would cost.

kevin-s_famous_chili2025-12-21 16:40

If Franklin Richards had done it, yes. Strange... maybe. Depends how they wanna go with it.

kevin-s_famous_chili2025-12-21 16:41

I could see it leaking in unusual ways into the others. Like the other Peters and villains forgetting they met other Peters.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:20

I don't think it will go that way but it's a funny idea of Spidey 2 trying to explain to MJ who he is....

CoffeeJedi2025-12-21 16:48

No. They reference the events of No Way Home in Spiderverse. The other Peters weren't affected.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:18

Didn't they also pull the Vulture into the Morbius universe? ;)
I know we don't talk about that.

Allthingsdroid2025-12-21 17:46

I don't think you know how a wink works

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:50

LoL I've watched ged too many of these movies I read wink as blink now.... jkjk

Doright362025-12-21 16:52

I doubt Strange would have cast the spell if it affected other Peter's who didn't choose it like his version did.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:12

I doubt Strange would let a spell get that far out of control to begin with?

The_Celtic_Chemist2025-12-22 07:41

Yeah, it was ridiculous that he started explaining to Peter the terms of how it works only after he started it and before there was any chance of it falling apart.

the_vole2025-12-21 17:03

Peter specifically said “make everyone forget _me._” So Strange’s spell was focused on him.

gemurrayx2025-12-21 17:16

This is kind of how I think it would be too. I’m not sure how it would affect the other Peters, they also were drawn to the MCU universe by the first spell by knowing who Peter is but I don’t see them forgetting that specifically about the MCU because of who they are, and yet they were sent back too. Maybe they remember that there’s a Spider-Man but they weren’t able to find out who it was under the mask?

Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-21 17:12

Technically, Strange cast the spell only after everyone had already crossed into the universe. Rewatching the climax clarifies this point. The confusion is understandable, because although all variants eventually left, the core issue was that the entire multiverse knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man—specifically Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, not Tobey’s or Andrew’s. That knowledge is what triggered their arrival, each driven by their own motives. When Strange cast the second spell, they left without understanding what had occurred. Even without Tobey and Andrew, a story could still be told, but the overall conflict and impact of the final battle would be significantly not fair.
The best example is Venom. He arrived, briefly learned about the existence of a superhero, and then left. Nothing meaningful happened from his side, except that a fragment of the symbiote remained behind. This clearly shows that not every character who crossed over was meant to participate in a major conflict; some existed purely to advance future storylines.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:32

Actually Eddie and Venom somehow saw the news broadcast in their own universe, Venom licked the TV and said "this guy" like he was familiar. Vulture then appeared in the Morbius universe and said to Morbius that it had something to do with Spider-Man like Morbius knew who he was talking about....
This brings up another mind boggles. Out of the entire multiversr there was only three in total where people knew Peter Parket was Spider-Man? Or was that the fracture I forget?
According to Google which could be wrong the spell reached across the multiverse to make everyone forget Peter Parker is Spider-Man....

eagc72025-12-21 22:52

Venom was in the MCU when he saw the news broadcast, he was not in his original universe, but they do establish in the movie that the symbiontes share a hive mind across the multiverse, so what they were trying to say there is that the Sonyverse Venom has the memories of his Raimiverse variant and all of his other variants that had came across a Peter Parker, therefore why he's familiar with him once he crosses the MCU.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-27 21:56

That actually makes sense and I forgot and like that the hive mind knows....so every symbiote in the multiverse was drawn in by the spell right....oh wait....no they werents....

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-27 21:54

Another point of contention. We the audience are supposed to believe that in ALL the multiverse only the three Peter Parkers we have watched in movies ourselves had people who knew they were Peter? And only villains knew? Shouldn't it have drawn in everyone that knew Pete was Spidey? MJ? Spider Gwen if we want to get technical?

Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-28 10:47

That’s actually a fair question, and honestly, you’re not wrong to think that way. If the spell really pulls in *everyone* who knows Peter Parker is Spider-Man, then logically it shouldn’t stop with just three Peters and a few villains. People like MJ, Gwen, or even others who knew his identity should have been affected too.

The easiest in-universe explanation is that the spell was interrupted before it fully completed. Strange himself says he’s containing it, which suggests more people *were coming*, but we only saw a small part of the damage. So it’s not that only villains or only those three Peters exist—it’s that we’re just seeing the ones who slipped through before the spell was sealed.

Also, most of the people who truly *act* on that knowledge tend to be villains. They have motivation to cross universes. Characters like MJ or Gwen don’t go looking for Peter—they already know him. So the spell may pull everyone who knows, but only those driven by conflict actually end up talking with him on-screen.

That’s probably why Marvel and Sony keep others vague—shadows, references, or offhand lines. Even in *Spider-Verse*, they hint at events instead of showing everything directly. It keeps the rules flexible without breaking the logic completely.

So yeah, the concern makes sense—but the movie leaves enough room to say: more people were involved, we just didn’t see all of them.
simple words:

They showed their shadows. that silhouettes could easily include **heroes, villains, friends, variants, and people like MJ or Gwen from other universes .** marvel and sony stopped it before they enter our universe.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-29 20:11

that is a fair point since the spell was contained before it got out of control then conveniently only the three we have seen before and their villains which conveniently neither had any more of ;) show up.

We all know the nostalgia reason for this but its a bit funny if you think about it too much.

turtle344642025-12-21 17:21

No, Strange’s spell only wiped the minds of everyone in their own universe who knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:24

They were all Peter Parker....

turtle344642025-12-21 17:24

Dude I mean 199999 Peter not Peter 2 and 3

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-21 17:39

Ahhh fair point multiple Peter's are confusing ;)

VesperX2025-12-21 17:25

But not from his universe.

deekaydubya2025-12-21 18:37

The writers don’t know either

saranowitz2025-12-21 18:49

What an amazing fuck up for Dr Strange to have agreed to do this spell.

HelixSapphire2025-12-21 18:54

I would think all Peters were forgotten in 616/19999, so just the three that were in NWH and in the main MCU-verse only.

eagc72025-12-21 20:13

We don't know for certain.

As far i am concerned in my POV, it only affected the MCU Peter at least until later MCU films say otherwise

Sirmalta2025-12-21 23:24

Frankly the spell makes zero sense and the idea to wipe out Peter Parker completely is stupid as fuck. Feels like Jon Watts just wanted to leave the MCU with an enormous curve ball on his way out.

This did a lot of damage to the MCUs credibility as a story tellers.

But this is what happens when Kevin feigi pulls back control and you give directors free reign.

PhanStr2025-12-22 02:14

What makes you think that Feige wasn't 100% on-board with the memory wipe finale?

Sirmalta2025-12-22 05:00

A) its insane and makea no sense.
B) its left them in an incredibly difficult spot narratively

Now maybe they have some incredible story to tell that revolves around this. But just like all yhe other curve ball shit that didnt go anywhere in the MCU since end game, I suspect this will be hand waved away immediately on the new movie.

But who knows I might be wrong.

ssjskwash2025-12-22 11:09

Why do you feel like this is a difficult spot narratively? Right now he's just some random dude that happens to be Spider-Man

Sirmalta2025-12-22 16:53

Peter Parker was erased from everyones memory.

So all of history from the last 20 years was re written? Why did Ben die? Why did Aunt aMay have any interaction with spiderman?

How does peter have government ID? How did he get into a school? How did he get a job? How did he do anything if he doesnt exist? He has no citizenship, no birth certificate.

How is this \*not\* a narrative nightmare.

Theycould have just had everyone forget he was spiderman. This would have fucked up his relationship with MJ and punished him enough for fucking around and being selfish. It would have served the same purpose, but still been something id be interested in watching. Instead now we have this fucking nonsense detail they're gonna have to shoehorn into the movie instead of just making the spiderman movie we all want.

yeah. It was a very bad ending and will actively hamstring the next movie if its a major part of it - assuming they dont hand wave it away immediately.

Living_Strength_36932025-12-22 23:11

Blame it on the possibility of the Disney/Sony deal not being renewed after NWH.

Sirmalta2025-12-23 02:03

Agreed

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-27 21:50

You end up with the top grossing Spidey movie by leaps and bounds?

I know it doesn't make a lot of sense but then neither does MCU time travel. They never actually saved their universe by their own rules of time travel just created another one that was saved.

Sirmalta2025-12-28 22:15

So we're basing a movies merits on box office now?

Also, you're wrong about the time travel. You clearly misunderstand how it works and that doesnt give a lot of strength to your argument.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-29 20:06

There is also the fact I've neve seen an opinion that No Way Home was the worse of the Spider-Man movies. It made me literally laugh and cry so it did its job for me. Was there a ton of nostalgia baiting and things that made no sense? Sure. But the acting was top notch, even for people who hadn't played these characters in up\[wards of 20 years, the emotional hits were excellent, the score was amazing, the plot was touch n go but the only real character assassination was Strange and maybe Marvel's magic system which is vastly different than the MCU magic system.

And though I don't always agree with box office figures, I mean I actually didn't care for Everything Somewhere Some of the Time or whatever it was called, I sometimes agree with general audiences and do on No Way Home. It was the best Spidey film to date IMHO. I'm also a Spidey fan in (albeit not really paid attention to since the 80s and 90s) comics and movies/TV so I am keen on my biasness here.

Sirmalta2025-12-30 00:59

This was difficult to read.

Bye.

Far_Nectarine2932025-12-22 02:32

Doc Ock's first line was "Hello Peter"

Distinct-Law14092025-12-22 05:32

Who?

labbla2025-12-22 05:47

Yup, now they only remember Ben Reilly.

Advanced_Pack42412025-12-22 10:18

Dk. I guess no. Since was suppose to work just for 616 Peter.

nox_tech2025-12-23 04:15

No.

Strange intended to apply a memory spell we'd figure would be applicable to the MCU-616 universe only.

In messing up the spell, he did the magical equivalent of submitting bad code and dividing by zero.

Kinda like a poorly installed shelf resulting in drywall ripping off as we accidentally see our neighbors, he ripped a few holes in the multiverse. Both a few Peter Parkers, and a few villains. A drip that threatened to tear open into a flooding pour.

Strange making sure MCU-616 people forget our Peter is the magic equivalent of repairing those holes in the walls of the multiverse.

What you're confused about is assuming Strange cast a memory spell on the multiverse.

What Strange did is he applied a band-aid on the initial problem that's a bit bigger than the original request.

So instead of a custom memory spell applied to the MCU-616 universe, it's a general memory spell applied to the MCU-616 universe.

Dragon_Blue_Eyes2025-12-27 22:03

The key is still "the multiverse is something we know very little about" as stated in Multiverse of Madness. You cannot make a perfect repair of something you know very little about. He can make an educated guess that what he was doing repaired the problem with no "foreseeable" side effects but there is literally no way he can guarantee there are none. As seen by a very too old Clea showing up telling him he needs to help fix incursions. If the spell fixed everything perfectly he wouldn't need to do that.

That's how I see it anyhow even if it isn't the intention of the writers. I think the real answer is that the spell was as effective or ineffective as a given future writer needs it to be. =)

Petrichor022025-12-26 16:14

The original spell drew in everyone across the multiverse who knew that *any* Peter Parker was Spider-Man. They couldn't undo that spell after the spell container was destroyed. So they decided to get around it by making everyone forget that Peter Parker was Spider-Man. That would stop drawing people into 616.

So the spell *should* have made all Peter Parkers be forgotten throughout the multiverse, but it doesn't seem that that was the writers' intention.