Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Snap
So, AoS and the snap is a controversial-ish topic. However, if you make a handful of logical assumptions (and take some facts into consideration) it makes perfect sense.
AoS is actually the only Marvel Television show to acknowledge Thanos in any way shape or form, so there's that. The last stretch of S5 actually happens because of the threat of Thanos (no spoilers for those of you who haven't seen it) and the last four episodes are concurrent to the events of Infinity War, and the snap happens like five minutes after the finale.
Anyways, the chances of the entire main AoS cast (and some supporting characters), while they are lower than the chances of all six original Avengers surviving, are signifcantly higher than the main cast of the Spider-Man movies all being dusted.
AoS is actually the only Marvel Television show to acknowledge Thanos in any way shape or form, so there's that. The last stretch of S5 actually happens because of the threat of Thanos (no spoilers for those of you who haven't seen it) and the last four episodes are concurrent to the events of Infinity War, and the snap happens like five minutes after the finale.
Anyways, the chances of the entire main AoS cast (and some supporting characters), while they are lower than the chances of all six original Avengers surviving, are signifcantly higher than the main cast of the Spider-Man movies all being dusted.
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>the chances of the entire main AoS cast (and some supporting characters), while they are lower than the chances of all six original Avengers surviving, are signifcantly higher than the main cast of the Spider-Man movies all being dusted.
Season six is where the characters are jumping around time, so they never really get the chance to experience the fallout of the snap, as they go back and experience the history of SHIELD, potentially creating branched timelines in the process.
Is AoS in your mind set in the exact same universe / timeline as the films? When precisely do you think it left this timeline if you think it left?
Second - Season 7 is when they jump around in time. Season 6 is 13 episodes that would be entirely set one year after the Snap, if the Snap took place in their universe. (Also, at the very end of Season 7 they explicitly end up in the Season 6 timeline again.)
I have several. It depends on how the timing of things play out.
> Is AoS in your mind set in the exact same universe / timeline as the films?
Yes up to a point.
> When precisely do you think it left this timeline if you think it left?
After Age of Ultron for sure. The arrival of Fury and the Helicarrier is set up and explained in Agents of SHIELD. Theta Protocol.
> Second - Season 7 is when they jump around in time. Season 6 is 13 episodes that would be entirely set one year after the Snap, if the Snap took place in their universe. (Also, at the very end of Season 7 they explicitly end up in the Season 6 timeline again.)
Robin Hinton. There is a point where they were successful in changing her vision, which lead to the destruction of earth.
What does this even mean, the show has been over for many years. Are you feeling ok?
And I asked for precisely when you think it diverged. And you just vaguely said sometime after season 2 lol. And you forgot an entire season took place in their present day post Infinity War.
Come on dawg you are not a serious person at all.
> What does this even mean, the show has been over for many years. Are you feeling ok?
You asked for my theories. As soon as they retcon something, theories change. We don’t know the exact timing of certain events, but we do know the exact timing of others. For the longest time people argued Iron man 3 took place before Thor The Dark World because of release order, but then they official came out and said TDW was before IM3. Changes a lot of theories.
> And I asked for precisely when you think it diverged. And you just vaguely said sometime after season 2 lol. And you forgot an entire season took place in their present day post Infinity War.
After the timeline diverged. Yeah. It’s been a while since I saw the show, but there is an episode where Robin sees that Daisy is supposed to die and they change the future. After that it’s tough to say. Time was altered.
> Come on dawg you are not a serious person at all.
I have a hard time taking you seriously when you don’t pay attention and you call me dawg.
Wrong. It's either canon all around or not.
They didn't.
>Didn’t you watch Loki?
I did.
Holy shit I’m so glad that someone actually knows how the universe works. I swear to god I even hear Feige referring to the Sacred Timeline the wrong way. Props to you dude that’s 100% right.
>If they did diverge to an alternate timeline that would be sufficient of an explanation.
Marvel has made an official stance on this btw, and it’s that during and only during the alternate timeline time travel shenanigans are they outside of the main mcu, and after that they return to the main mcu. (No real wiggle room for alternate universes or alternate timelines)
If you’re curious to learn more I can provide the source and exact quotes that clarify this.
Of course they are. It’s a multiverse and has been for a while now.
Maybe the actual sources and exact quotes will help you understand this:
>Earth-17516 Gravitonium-empowered Glenn Talbot broke the Earth apart. S.H.I.E.L.D. took a small group of survivors to the Lighthouse station, but within a few years they were enslaved by the Kree. In 2091 A.D., the True Believers resistance brought Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. from the past of Earth-199999 into their present, and they helped overthrow the Kree oppressors. S.H.I.E.L.D. then returned to their own time and stopped Talbot from destroying the planet, diverging this reality from Earth-199999. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. television series episode, "The Last Day" (2017)
So the time travel in season 5 made them diverge from the main MCU (Earth-199999) and then come back, until the following happens:
>Earth-19859 Diverged from Earth-199999 when alien Chronicoms traveled back in time to erase S.H.I.E.L.D. from history. Earth-199999 Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. followed them, failed to prevent major changes to history but managed to take the Chronicoms back to their original timeline. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. television series episode, "New Life" (2019)
[source](http://marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm#numbered)
As it was their plan to return both the chronicoms to their timeline and themselves to their own timeline in Season 7, this confirms that both happened since one cannot happen without the other. Marvel database also reiterates that with this quote: “Upon arriving back in the prime timeline”. [source](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel%27s_Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._Season_7_13)
I think you made a wrongful assumption here. They returned to the main MCU (Earth-199999). Fantastic Four First Steps is set on Earth-828, and MoM is set all over the place but a lot of it is Earth-838. And Quantumania is set in the Quantum realm, the basement of the multiverse.
These are all “MCU” absolutely. But what I said there was Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Even after the time travel shenanigans is set in the MAIN MCU (Earth-199999).
So the question as to why The Snap/The Blip is never mentioned in AoS in the seasons after is as simple as, no one brings it up in conversation and nothing they do in those seasons relates to it, so it just doesn’t get mentioned?
The Shield sub on Reddit however is full of incredibly sad delusional people whose self worth is inexplicably tied to the idea that the show is in the main MCU universe. They basically have a severe psychological problem.
Also, I'm guessing that the Defenders Saga aren't canon either to the storyline then.
Kevin Feige hasn't say anything else that goes against what he say 12 years ago. Also that very article lies about the Defenders Saga shows as well, are those shows not canon just cause Feige said that aren't in a book?
Again Wakanda Files another Marvel Studio produce book clearly states that Coulson was alive and well post 2012.
> source=chatgpt.com
Don't use the plagiarism machine that lies & burns water.
Also, that article is unquestionably wrong about the Defenders Saga shows.
Also also, that's still not what I was talking about: [a direct statement on-camera, when AoS first began, that the show is in the MCU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5e39EbGc1w&t=56s). If Marvel wants to remove it, they can make a similar direct statement. They did it for Helstrom; they can do it for any other shows they wanna remove.
On top of that article. The divergence from the main MCU universe is obvious to anyone who is an actual fan of AoS who actually *paid attention to the show* while watching it.
They had 13 hours of television time one year after the Snap was supposed to happen. The biggest most life changing event in all of human history. And there is zero evidence it happened in the show. Because it didn’t. The creative team also explicitly told us there is no Snap in the show. They said to make the show fit they needed “time lords” to figure it out. lol. If it was merely not mentioning it the creative team would have made a much different comment.
It would be cool if they had mentioned it like they mentioned Thanos, but I don't know if the writers knew what would happen in Endgame. They probably figured the Snap would be undone somehow, so no need to mention it.
They also said they didn’t even know what Endgame looked like (and the reason for this is we know there was a massive feud between Marvel divisions at the time).
I feel so sorry for the AoS creative team that they had an embarrassing interview of attempted damage control because essentially their parents were fighting.
There is no way to square the show with the main MCU universe. And they knew it. They tried to sugarcoat it but they knew it.
Luckily sane fans are ok with the multiverse and can enjoy AoS.
It's easier to headcanon all seasons of AOS taking place on an alternate Earth with the What If premise of "What if Fury used Kree tech to resurrect Coulson?" as opposed to trying to headcanon the Snap, Time Travel, Darkhold, etc....
Feige won't acknowledge AOS so what's the point?
This is the coward’s solution! Real men have the whole of AoS be in main 616 universe, contradictions be damned!
Please I beg of you, you doofuses, for your sanity, consider this show as part of the multiverse and not part of the main MCU universe.
If you think thats werid, just think about how normalised COVID-19 came after a few months