Endgame is a conundrum for me as a writer, that I don't know how to solve
I know Endgame hasn't aged well for a multitude of reasons. The biggest one being it can't live up to the hype of Infinity War. But there in lies my biggest conflict about this film; if there's no way to live up to the hype of IW, then how do you go back after Thanos winning?
We all know wiping out half the universe, at random, won't save life in the long run. How many of those people were doctors, police, pilots, technicians, any profession needed to sustain life? If one was a crime boss, that would cause a gang war over who gets to be the new big man. If a majority of prison wardens got dusted, the prisoners could break out, unmet with cops that have been hypothetically blipped away.
So bringing everyone back is more than just a cop out, it's something essential for life being able to continue. So if Thanos succeeds, where do the Avengers go from there? This brings me to my second paradox, being since Thanos logically would destroy the stones to keep his actions from being reversed how would the Avengers bring back the population without them? Time travel, which I know is controversial both for its logic and narrative aspects, but how else would they have brought them back without them?
At this point, I ask why Thanos won at all in Infinity War.
Please, dispute or add onto what I said in the comments, because I just don't know jack squat about this movie anymore
We all know wiping out half the universe, at random, won't save life in the long run. How many of those people were doctors, police, pilots, technicians, any profession needed to sustain life? If one was a crime boss, that would cause a gang war over who gets to be the new big man. If a majority of prison wardens got dusted, the prisoners could break out, unmet with cops that have been hypothetically blipped away.
So bringing everyone back is more than just a cop out, it's something essential for life being able to continue. So if Thanos succeeds, where do the Avengers go from there? This brings me to my second paradox, being since Thanos logically would destroy the stones to keep his actions from being reversed how would the Avengers bring back the population without them? Time travel, which I know is controversial both for its logic and narrative aspects, but how else would they have brought them back without them?
At this point, I ask why Thanos won at all in Infinity War.
Please, dispute or add onto what I said in the comments, because I just don't know jack squat about this movie anymore
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Thanos' plans were ecological, not societal. The results of his snap aren't really aimed at having the perfect number of firefighters and doctors. 🙄 It's about the ecological impact of population sizes.(Which is silly for its own reasons, such as the negligible amount of time it takes for a population to repopulate.)
Billionaires have really brainwashed the hell out of you, huh. lol
The last time the population was half that was around the 1970s, which is not that long ago.
So, how did everyone cope you ask? Probably about as well as folks did in the 70s then, by my estimation.
Your point about the prison wardens being overrun doesn't make much sense either, as presumably half the prison population would have been dusted as well, so the ratio would have remained mostly consistent.
But the law of averages states the larger the sample size, the closer you get to seeing a proportionate 50/50 split. So I'd imagine any prison facility with a large enough number of guards + prisoners is going to get a much closer even ratio of disappearances.
I actually explored how the fourth Avengers film could play out in the months following IW. Like EG, it would have had a five year time jump. But there are stark differences.
1. A “Real” Mandarin would have emerged, with Tony and Colonel Rhodes leading a bitter campaign against him. The Mandarin’s ten ring would have been a gift by Thanos
2. Thor, King of New Asgard, would have been even more dangerous than in IW. He would have eventually gotten involved in the war against the Mandarin, compelling Thanos to step in.
3. Thanos had been monitoring the Avengers this whole time.
4. Tony innovates a way to generate new bodies for the snapped, a process that gets industrialized. Spider-man is the first one brought back.
5. They use this process to bring back Gamora, which causes Thanos to lose the soul stone. However, because Gamora was not one of the snapped, she is in a horrible state and someone has to sacrifice themselves for the Soul Stone to restore Gamora.
6. Because Thanos can no longer snap and with Captain Marvel and other Avengers being restored, the Avengers have a real shot at beating Thanos.
First, something aging well is about how it fits into modern times vs when it first came out. It hasn’t even been seven years since Endgame originally released and nothing has really changed in society that would have any impact on how the movie is viewed.
Enhance absolutely did live up to the hype set up by Infinity War. The fact that you seem to think otherwise is confusing and astounding. Where are you getting the assumption from?
Thanos is called “The Mad Titan” for a reason. He’s crazy. His thought processes are not normal. So a normal person would understand that him wiping out half of life would do nothing in the long run. But he thinks he’s doing a service to the universe and so he’s going to do it regardless of any logic.
50% of all living things were wiped out. So for every doctor that was wiped out, the number of patients that doctor would have cared for would have been wiped out. And so on and so forth with every profession. You’re overthinking something that is not even remotely that complex.
How is bringing eve to one back even remotely a cop out? Do you think Endgame should have somehow just been about everyone moving on or something? How does that make a good story?
There’s no paradox. What you described isn’t even a paradox. It’s just story writing. They could have written it like it was in the comics where Thanos didn’t destroy the stones because the heroes defeated him shortly after the snap and brought everyone back. They chose to go a very different route with the movies. They chose time travel.
>At this point, I ask why Thanos won at all in Infinity War.
As a writer, how is this even a question? Do you not understand how stories work?
- Introduce characters and their motivations.
- Introduce plot.
- Antagonist does the bad thing.
- Protagonist tried to undo bad thing or bring antagonist to justice.
- End story.
Thanos win because that was his evil act that allowed the heroes to undo it. Just like every other story ever written.
I strongly suggest you take some writing classes to learn the basics of how stories function.
He won because it was a shocker to have the villain win, and it made the comeback even greater, that's for the meta explanation - the writers wanted it to be like that, so they could make another movie
Otherwise, it seems more like you're questioning Thanos' motives to begin with, which are pretty clear, his planet got overpopulated, couldn't sustain itself with resources and wiped itself out, so he wants stop that from repeating by reducing the population in the universe in a fair way - your entire argument that there'd be a lack of doctors, cops etc is void because the entire point is that people are chosen at random, so statistically with a populace of 8 billion, there'd still be a pretty even spread of doctors, peacekeepers etc, just half of everything gone, it's still as balanced as before, just less overpopulated
You're right that it doesn't solve things longterm because overpopulation will still eventually happen, but not because there'd be a lack of scholars, doctors, cops etc