The most disappointing thing about Defenders is it's relation to the Daredevil show and Matt Murdock

The whole thing was set up from DD season 1 as some secret war and destiny that Matt Murdock was appearantly destined to fight. DD was a grounded show, but with all it's talk about God, biblical stories and destiny etc it clearly set up the Hand as Matt's destiny to fight a magic cult akin to those biblical stories but in a modern New York setting. In the end, whatever plans they had was clearly too big for the netflix budget. It ruins DD for me in a way since Stick trained him to fulfill his "destiny" to fight the Hand which became a absolutely trash storyline in the end.

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marvelcomics222025-12-19 10:51

> it clearly set up the Hand as Matt's destiny

So metaphors are a thing, and the budget was not the issue.

CaptHayfever2025-12-19 18:13

It wasn't Matt's "cosmically-preordained" destiny; it was Matt's "Stick noticed how wildly naturally-skilled he is & started grooming him to fight the war" destiny.

Notoriously_So2025-12-19 22:35

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sengokunerd2025-12-20 14:54

IMO the worst thing is that the Hand aren’t up to anything interesting. They want to just keep on keeping on. More substance so they can stay immortal. That’s boring. I guess it threatens NYC b/c dragon bones sinkhole or whatever but instead of being mysterious and sinister, they’re kinda just dudes that want to live forever. That’s a boring endgame.

And no explanation about a Black Sky and why that’s so important. I guess they’re just good fighters?

It felt like they had no good ideas for the Hand and just left them as a shadowy ubiquitous organization and that’s bad. But instead of Project Insight and ruling the world, they just wanted to stay shadowy.